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Well said. FWIW, I agree with pretty much all of this.
We already did that to great success when LVG was manager. Martial was lining up on the left more and Rashford upfront but they were interchanging very frequently like a front two at the same time. It was very confusing for defenders and difficult to stop. Both of them need more game time. Martial has more composure and finesse when finishing and is better at dribbling 1 on 1 but Rashford is better at off the ball running and has more power in his shooting so both players should play. Martial and Rashford together is more dangerous than Lukaku + martial/Rashford.
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Umm, not really a great success, that's way OTT imo.
I was annoyed with Rashford last night for effective wasting two good chances. But being rational about it today, he hasn't played a lot and got sent off for headbutting at the weekend. His confidence is probably low and he' definitely a bit rusty.
A bang in form Rashford would have scored a hat trick last night.
A bang in form Rashford would have scored a hat trick last night.
Maybe hypothetically one day, but you can't be suggesting we drop Lukaku for anyone right now. He couldn't be more in form.
We didn't have success a team I agree but it was successful for both players because I felt the system suited them both and each player compliments the other. It was only half a season anyway as Rashford emerged late. Lots of games where they played and defenders couldn't handle it. City away, West Ham away, some FA Cup games etc.
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We were one of the easiest teams in the league to defend against. Most teams know their homework when facing us. Sure, it was because of LVG's style but that's the same style that made them looked good so it's a mix.
I think Rashford at this time had better finishing and wasn't as greedy. He was improving well till he finally decided at some point he's the new Ronaldo so he needs to be greedy about every ball and try ridiculous shots. Not sure why. I still see quality in him but he needs to forget this Ronaldo BS and returns to a team player like he was when he emerged on the scene.
Re Martial, as it was said he needs to improve his off ball movement. That's the only way to unleash quality. LVG was playing a very static system depending on getting the ball to the feet in every ball. It made Martial play well to his strength but imo didn't help him improving his deficiencies at all. He was also played him as a LW ( not a striker ) so should have taught him how to run behind defenders and move in spaces. Martial has obvious talent and quality, but most managers play dynamic system that revolves around passing then moving in the free space to receive the pass again and move the ball in spaces not in front of defense. Martial need to be coached to do that. Hopefully McKenna tells him a thing or 2 about that in training.
Lukaku and Martial played well together in patches last season and seemed to have more understanding than say Lukaku and Rashford pairing. I think that's because even with all his faults, Martial is at least not greedy as Rashford.
Picked up a knock and replaced by Gray in the squad.
Yeah I wouldn't worry too much about his finishing last night, it's not often he gets to play upfront and I'm sure he felt a lot of pressure. I'm just happy he got off the mark for the season.
No revisionism from me. In the youth leagues he wasnt a prolific goalscorer. How many assumptions are you going to make in one post? Last season his attitude on the pitch was not that of a 'humble' young player but it was tantrums when he lost the ball. Not to mention the selfishness where he couldve played a simple pass but instead chose to suit. He put himself ahead of the team last season and proved it again vs Burnley. Yes I will scrutinise him harder because he is English but im not a pundit or a journalist. Whereas, Rashford is now being encouraged to leave United to become a prolific goalscorer by pundits rather than being told to work harder on his obvious flaws.
That was clearly an excellent and a very lively performance from Rashford.
I also think people exagerrate his finishing problems. That was an amazing header. De Gea just had one of those inhuman saves, nothing better Rashford could have done there. It wasnt bad finishing, it was just an amazing save. The offside situation, too.
So all in all there was one situation where he should have finished better.
Is it just me or is there a pattern emerging that our players seem to do well for their respective countries but never for the team...
I also think people exagerrate his finishing problems. That was an amazing header. De Gea just had one of those inhuman saves, nothing better Rashford could have done there. It wasnt bad finishing, it was just an amazing save. The offside situation, too.
So all in all there was one situation where he should have finished better.
Is it just me or is there a pattern emerging that our players seem to do well for their respective countries but never for the team...
Freedom? Well he is one of the four they said is not happy. Maybe that’s why, he needs to change his mood when back with us. I think the red card was more frustration.
Rashford's goal was class but that was one of the worst games of the season, dull as shite.
Eh, what ?
Of all the games you could've picked to be dull this would've been the last or one of the last. We dominated them for the first 65/70 minutes and created the best chances. Only near the end did we come under pressure. In fact this game alone proves that we weren't miles behind City like many people here claim. The two teams finished level on points and although City had more firepower in attack we had the better defensive record and our midfield generally dominated theirs. Since then the gap has only grown. Yes they've spent more but we've spent a lot ourselves and we should be closer.
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Well taken finish. Frustrating that he’s banned.
Do you work for The Sun
Only seen bits and parts, but I enjoy watching him for England. Very different from at Man Utd.
His touch always looks better when he plays for England. Think he enjoys it more tbh.
Only speculating, but I think he enjoys playing more for Southgate than he does Mourinho. He seems like a player that likes having an arm around him so to speak. Mourinho is very demanding and has high expectations. Not a knock on Mourinho, just very different types of manager.
Or he just suits a 352 and it has absolutely nothing to do with the manager.
Umm wouldn’t it be the manager that would decide to play 352 or not to?
I don't know it's a tough one trying to figure out why a striker players better as a striker than on the wing.
He doesn't have as good a defence to play 352. Why do you think he wanted ball playing defenders and ended up getting none?
We even tested a 352 during pre season when Jose thought he'd be getting one or two in.
Rashford playing well against Switzerland is not fair template to how he'd play week in and week out up top in the league. He sure as hell isn't as good as Lukaku up top and we don't have the system to accommodate for 2 up top.
He can play in our formation too. He's just obviously more suited to the formation England play.
But hey, put it all down to the manager to suit your subtle narrative.
Rashford Lukaku
Martial Pogba Fred Sanchez
I'd love us to try this once at home to Cardiff or the likes with high intensity pressing. Balance is for shit, but it'd be interesting to say the least!Martial Pogba Fred Sanchez
would love to see that especially if Fred and Pogba could show some discipline
And what narrative is that?
I suggested the idea that Rashford prefers playing for Southgate than he does Mourinho. Based on a different managerial style that suits Rashford more. I don't watch England's training sessions nor do I know Rashford personally, so I'm only speculating on why I think Rashford plays better for England.
What I do know is that Mourinho is a demanding manager and has high expectations. His approach to football is completely different to Southgate's. I'm not suggesting either manager's style is better or worse, just that Rashford is more suited to the more affectionate approach Southgate has.
What we know is the player is playing better in a different formation and instead of owing performance to that (which is most likely), you prefer to entertain the idea that the management style is different.. Even though you have no idea what Southgate nor Mourinho's approach is to Rashford in training.
It's also very concerning if you're suggesting Rashford doesn't perform well under demanding managers. Those sorts of characters don't fit the bill at our club so let's hope it's not true.
I think it's very clear by now that Rashford is a striker. That's where he is performing for England and that's where he was performing when broke onto the scene. the reason his game has stagnated under Mourinho is the change of position to LW and our style of play only allowing for a target man upfront. When we play this football RAshford is pretty much useless because he can't hold the ball. In a different style of football Rashford can be playing on the shoulder of the last defender and stretching teams with his pace creating space for others. He's spent the last two seasons trying to be Ronaldo when it's never been his game. He needs to be moving in a straight line and not on the left cutting in because he isn't a winger.
You mean like other strikers who have played in from the left who were stagnated such as Thierry Henry?
, why do you ask?Reminds me of that XI against Watford in Mou's first season. Tbh, you wouldn't be able to make a worse line up.
Glad he played 90 mins for England and scored in both games. He is banned, so it's good to have few run of games before the 3 games suspension.
The international break has been beneficial for a change! With these two games, he’s got some much needed match practice and confidence. Hopefully we will get minutes against Young Boys and can kick in after his ban.
Yeah, it was very good break for Rashford. Hopefully he will kick on and score lot more goals.
Shame he will miss the game against Derby, would have played as striker.
The problem with him being a striker is that he lacks the finishing and instinct to be a striker at the top level.
He is 20 , surely he can get way better at finishing. He has that in him. The goals he scored under Lvg against the likes of West Ham's and City when played a specific way in attack surely gives an idea he has much more in his locker which ain't coming out under Mourinho with the choice of system and tactics we employ.
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