Good performance. He was more dangerous than Kane (maybe they paid more attention to Kane but still it was refreshing to see).
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He's an extremely talented player
Yes, it does. This is one of the main differences between him and Martial. Martial is a more cold blooded finisher when he gets the opportunity. Marcus misses a lot more.
This is the issue, as I’m not sure he’s a natural winger either.
But Martial doesnt put the graft in off the ball to get the chances Rashford does.
I'd love to see Rashford Martial as a front two in a couple of years
If Mbappe can play from wide then there should be no issue about Rashford playing there. I don’t understand the criticism the likes of Ian Wright dishes out to Mourinho for not playing him down the middle.
Fully agree.
If Samuel Eto’o could play out wide for Jose I see no reason why Rashford can’t. It’s just lazy punditry.
Would never happen under Jose. However, Lukaku plus one of Rashford/Martial sounds exciting to me and I'm surprised we haven't tried it more. Particularly given how weak we are out wide.
I actually think he is a better finisher when he has no time to overthink things. The more time he has, the more he seems unsure.
True....maybe in a couple of years ? Both hopefully still with us and more mature. I think they have talent that could transform a team. Lukaku is more of a goalscorer. A bit like when we sold Ruud and Ronnie and Rooney matured and we were such a better team.
Better when playing alongside another central striker so he has someone to run off. He had the chances to get a result for England so it was disappointing a little in the end.
I disagree. He's just generally not a great finisher. There's been countless examples of his fluffing his lines when given plenty of time or taking a reaction shot.
That's not to say he can't still be an amazing player, he'll just never be an amazing goal scorer imo.
A lot of players have that exact issue, Lingard was exactly the same a few years back.
You really do want to protect Jose don't you? Jose always has one player who cuts in whether that be eto'o or hazard whilst the other side always has a more direct winger who holds width like schrulle, duff, pandev etc.
One player who cuts in with one player holding width - every team.
Number one - do we have any wingers who naturally hold width? Hint why he was desperate for perisic or willian.
Number 2 -
Rashford & Martial are very average dribblers as wingers compared to the them playing as strikers due to the positions they end up after unleashing a bit of skill - as wingers they consistently spend too much time on the ball finding them selves covered by a fullback whilst being pushed towards the corner flag - as a forward they end up just wide off the centre with the capability to take one or two defenders on at max before being through on goal.
There is absolutely no reason why we should play Rashford or martial as wingers just because they have the capability to - they should play as strikers in partnership & its the lack of this type of football represtation that will end up getting Jose fired. Building a team trying to get the best out of Lukaku, playing Lingard as a SS instead of Martial or Rashford whilst playing on the floor football is pure stupidity & one game against Barnsley does not change anything.
Was the thing I wanted to see at the end of LVG season 2 - Jose came in & I knew we would never see it; was the reason I never wanted him. Such a shame & one of the few managers who tactically would not build a team around getting the best out of those two in a partnership - & then fans ask questions about why our football sucks & what is our footballing philosophy. It's really not that complicated.
The depressing / frustrating thing is that when he broke through the finishing was there. Personally I feel being shifted to the wing has hampered his progress in that regard. Less chances each match and more pressure when they do come. He's not a player that should be forced to track back to fullback position. He should be in the opposition half causing problems.
Excuse after excuse will be made for him. When he is poor upfront he is better at LW and vice versa. Gets away with it because he is English. Look at Mbappe. Its not the fact that he fails taking players on time and time again because at least he tries but the fact that when he gets into positions he will always make the wrong decision or lose his composure. Not to mention his arrogance on the pitch and the red card he got which couldve cost the whole team. If he doesnt turn it around and put in the work then he will be going to Crystal Palace at 26 to revive his career.
Bagged one and forced two good saves out of De Gea, very good movement tonight.
Yeah, I think I agree with this. His 1st touch finishing is of more than acceptable quality, however, when he has a bit more time, he seems to overcomplicate things and hence his shots never land up towards the corners but are more central. Someone needs to show him videos of RVN to teach him how it's done
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Same as Lukaku.
He's had a poor start to the season but that's no reason to indulge in this kind of revisionism about him. Also, he's no Mbappe. No one is. So that's an empty comparison to make a false point. And his "arrogance on the pitch"? What rubbish. He had a hot headed moment in one game.... please tell me all the instances which demonstrate this arrogance? You say he gets away with it because he's English but I think people like you scrutinize him harder cause he's English. Martial is two years older and has similar stats yet we don't see anyone holding him to the standards of Mbappe. It's beyond ridiculous to suggest that Rashford doesn't put in the work.
He has the tools. Flair, technique, pace, & height. He just needs to improve his finishing, be more lethal and he will be like the new Eto'o, probably also improve his decision making but it can be improved with more games time. I find it silly when people compare him to Welbeck. Welbeck has no flair & technique but just pure physical strength, pace & work rate, and everytime he takes a shot, somehow he's lying down on the ground due to poor balance, to me they are just different players.
His acceleration and movement in behind the centre backs is his biggest strength. The problem is we don't use him on his absolute strengths due to choice of our formation and attacking dynamics. We can be deadly if we can pair two strikers together running in behind oppositions defense. If Luke Shaw continues his form , i see no reason why we won't play that system where our strikers can put fear in opposition defenses due to movement than just brute force.
Weird timing.
He’s 20 years old. Stop comparing him to Mbappe who is on another planet compared to most young players.
So now Rashford is a bad finisher as well and will never be a ”natural goalscorer”. Zlatan ”missed sitters” and Lukaku ”cant score from anywhere”.
People: strikers miss chances. This applies to Aguero. It applies to Kane. Even Ruud fluffed chances.
Our problem is not that Lukaku or Rashford are bad finishers. They dont have much worse stats than any other forwards in the league.
Our problem is that we dont create enough goalscoring opportunities to give them a fair shake.
If we create one chance per game and Lukaku or Rashford does not bury it; they are crap and not natural goalscorers.
I would bet my house on that if we created 5-6 clear GSCs per game and Rash converted just one of them per game we wouldnt even be having this discussion. Even if that is not a great conversion rate at all.
Rashford is doing great for his age. Give him a break for gods sake.
People: strikers miss chances. This applies to Aguero. It applies to Kane. Even Ruud fluffed chances.
Our problem is not that Lukaku or Rashford are bad finishers. They dont have much worse stats than any other forwards in the league.
Our problem is that we dont create enough goalscoring opportunities to give them a fair shake.
If we create one chance per game and Lukaku or Rashford does not bury it; they are crap and not natural goalscorers.
I would bet my house on that if we created 5-6 clear GSCs per game and Rash converted just one of them per game we wouldnt even be having this discussion. Even if that is not a great conversion rate at all.
Rashford is doing great for his age. Give him a break for gods sake.
Indeed. He was the most dangerous attacking player on the pitch yesterday and could have had a hat trick. He needs to work on his finishing but there’s every chance he can do that.
People also only remember when our players miss.
Rashford had 4 shots, 3 on target and 1 goal scored.
Kane had 3 shots, 2 on target and 0 scored.
On last night's evidence, Rashford is a better finisher than Kane.
Kane had 3 shots, 2 on target and 0 scored.
On last night's evidence, Rashford is a better finisher than Kane.
If he weren't born and bred from our youth teams, he'd probably want out just like Martial. And he'd probably light it up somewhere else, just like Martial probably would.
Rashford is still here and keeping his head down. He's still trying hard to succeed at United instead of talking too much to the media like some of our other stars. I think he deserves a bit more patience from the fans.
Rashford is still here and keeping his head down. He's still trying hard to succeed at United instead of talking too much to the media like some of our other stars. I think he deserves a bit more patience from the fans.
France is the other team Martial plays for. Cant even get into the team. Rashford is at the best place for him right now. He is not going to get a step up from United.
edit - I see you changed your post and added probably. Everything is ifs, buts and probably with Martial.
Yeah sorry.
But my point was that you have Rashford and Martial, two players with similar talents in similar boats, but their attitudes could not be more different. One wants out and goes AWOL, the other just tries and tries and tries.
Good performance from what I saw. He's definitely not a natural finisher. I think he should grow into a wide forward. We need players getting goals from all across the front.
He's not a central striker, at least not in a 1 up top formation.
One thing, slightly unrelated, I do hate is how our fans have turned everything into Martial vs Rashford. It's mainly because of early last season when Jose made them battle it out. We should be pleased to have both and patiently develop both of them the way we did with Cristiano and Wayne. The tribalism and criticising one to big up the other is annoying. I see a lot of these fractures in our fan base over every little thing at the moment and the press are definitely feeding off of it.
Let's support both lads and critique them as individuals without having to talk down about the other. Hopefully we'll develop 2 incredible attackers.
He's not a central striker, at least not in a 1 up top formation.
One thing, slightly unrelated, I do hate is how our fans have turned everything into Martial vs Rashford. It's mainly because of early last season when Jose made them battle it out. We should be pleased to have both and patiently develop both of them the way we did with Cristiano and Wayne. The tribalism and criticising one to big up the other is annoying. I see a lot of these fractures in our fan base over every little thing at the moment and the press are definitely feeding off of it.
Let's support both lads and critique them as individuals without having to talk down about the other. Hopefully we'll develop 2 incredible attackers.
Yes, exactly. That was the point I was trying to make. I did not really finish my reasoning though. Thanks.
That header not going in was a save from another dimension.
Shame he’s banned, would have been great to build his momentum in the upcoming cup games.
I'd love to see us play 2 proper forwards up front centrally, though I think it would benefit Martial more than Rashford.
I think this should be obvious by now, Mbappe is on another level to any other players in his 19-23 bracket, there's no point in comparing any of them to him.
A bit cheeky of you to use age as an excuse for Rashford considering your attitude to Martial.
By the way I rate both but the blatant double standards is ridiculous.
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