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Good performance last night but he really needs to learn to just put the ball in the back of the net simply.

Too many fancy finishes which he keeps fluffing. If that's a 1v1 in the world cup and he misses like that he will get slaughtered. Stick it bottom corner and do the fancy stuff later!

Apart from that though he looked our only forward able to create something. He got double marked 2nd half so that made it a bit harder.
 
Adam-Utd said:
Good performance last night but he really needs to learn to just put the ball in the back of the net simply.

Too many fancy finishes which he keeps fluffing. If that's a 1v1 in the world cup and he misses like that he will get slaughtered. Stick it bottom corner and do the fancy stuff later!

Apart from that though he looked our only forward able to create something. He got double marked 2nd half so that made it a bit harder.
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Fully agreed.

He’s strikes the call so cleanly, he needs to take a leaf out of Ronaldo’s book and start punching it into the corners.
 
Pexbo said:
Fully agreed.

He’s strikes the call so cleanly, he needs to take a leaf out of Ronaldo’s book and start punching it into the corners.
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Maybe these players are not confident with their weaker foot? Ronaldo is awesome at it, Nani had superb weaker foot.

Same with Martial, he is very hesitant to use his weaker foot and put the ball in the corner of the net. Martial and Rashford open up their body to score a curling shot rather than smashing the ball with weaker foot.
 
So Southgate has decided to start Rashford in the meaningless Lithuania game. Errrrghhh!

This could certainly affect the kid's performance against Liverpool.

Hopefully, Jose will give Martial 90 minutes instead. We don't want to wear out the young lad now, do we?
 
GM K said:
So Southgate has decided to start Rashford in the meaningless Lithuania game. Errrrghhh!

This could certainly affect the kid's performance against Liverpool.

Hopefully, Jose will give Martial 90 minutes instead. We don't want to wear out the young lad now, do we?
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I don't think he'll be exhausting himself today. It'll be one of those nice run-outs to keep him sharp rather than a beasting.
 
He plays because of England’s dreadful performance the other day. England have to put in a better performance to shut the press up.
 
Sammyjunn said:
Rashford isnt technically limited but not great either. Extreme form Depay can do a lot of skills but his technique is limited, poor and heavy touches, poor ball control, poor dribbling. Rashford is much better but no Martial no.
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Yeah he is great technically. To say anyone who doesn’t have martials level of dribbling ability isn’t technically gifted is a bit daft. It’s like saying Benzema isn’t a great goal scorer and using Ronaldo as a reference.
 
GM K said:
So Southgate has decided to start Rashford in the meaningless Lithuania game. Errrrghhh!

This could certainly affect the kid's performance against Liverpool.

Hopefully, Jose will give Martial 90 minutes instead. We don't want to wear out the young lad now, do we?
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Don't see the problem. Has a full week for recovery?
Plus a game a week is essential to retain and improve form.
Plus he is young enough to play 2 games a week.

If anything, him playing today is good for our team next weekend, especially if he can improve his confidence via a goal.
 
sammsky1 said:
Don't see the problem. Has a full week for recovery?
Plus a game a week is essential to retain and improve form.
Plus he is young enough to play 2 games a week.

If anything, him playing today is good for our team next weekend, especially if he can improve his confidence via a goal.
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I would like to see Martial start anyway. I think it wouldn't hurt to give Rashford some time off.

Either way he is regularly substituted for Martial so I doubt he has played the full 90 many times this season
 
He's been shite today. Looks like he's coasting like the rest of the team. Hope he's subbed soon. England have qualified and United cannot afford another injury with Liverpool next week.
 
He's been bad today but was MOTM in the last two English matches.

Southgate starting him on the right side is baffling really.
 
KM said:
He's been bad today but was MOTM in the last two English matches.

Southgate starting him on the right side is baffling really.
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He's just not a right winger. Said it thousands of time but some don't believe that. He's a striker or left forward. Playing him on the right nullifies most of his qualities.
 
ivaldo said:
Yeah he is great technically. To say anyone who doesn’t have martials level of dribbling ability isn’t technically gifted is a bit daft. It’s like saying Benzema isn’t a great goal scorer and using Ronaldo as a reference.
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Nah, Benzema isnt a great goalscorer but a great player. He misses a lot of chances, an awful lot. I wouldnt say Rashford is great technically because he is very inconsistent technically, at its best its really great but it can be very poor too.
 
Sammyjunn said:
Nah, Benzema isnt a great goalscorer but a great player. He misses a lot of chances, an awful lot. I wouldnt say Rashford is great technically because he is very inconsistent technically, at its best its really great but it can be very poor too.
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You’re wrong but that’s neither here nor there, the point still stands. Pick your example, it makes no difference.
 
el3mel said:
He's just not a right winger. Said it thousands of time but some don't believe that. He's a striker or left forward. Playing him on the right nullifies most of his qualities.
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This is my opinion too and it still baffles me when I see people wanting a
martial-lukaku-rashford

Line up for us as a front 3

I think a better system would be

Rashford - lukaku - mata
-----------martial----------

I think matas ball retention is critical and I think martial in current form would be awesome running at defences in or around where micki plays now.

Don't think it would be great against top sides but would be awesome against fodder
 
Sammyjunn said:
What are you talking about, use arguments. Benzema misses a lot of chances, so no he is not a great goalscorer as he also doesnt score a lot the past few years. Hence why Real fans were gutted Morata left.
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So then pick another striker, any striker you like. Then compare him to Ronaldo and they will come up short. It’s not hard to grasp, is it? Just because their finishing prowess and strike numbers aren’t up to his standard doesn’t mean they aren’t great strikers. The same applies to Rashford, just because he isn’t as good a dribbler as martial doesn’t mean he’s not a great technician. And this ignores another technical areas, like crossing and set peices where Rashford is more proficient than Martial.
 
ivaldo said:
So then pick another striker, any striker you like. Then compare him to Ronaldo and they will come up short. It’s not hard to grasp, is it? Just because their finishing prowess and strike numbers aren’t up to his standard doesn’t mean they aren’t great strikers. The same applies to Rashford, just because he isn’t as good a dribbler as martial doesn’t mean he’s not a great technician. And this ignores another technical areas, like crossing and set peices where Rashford is more proficient than Martial.
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I agree with that.

But I'd say someone like Martial is great technically, Rashford has very good shooting technique but his touches and dribbles can be below par very often too. Running faster than the ball, heavy first touches, running the ball out of play which implies poor control of the ball, but at other moments it can be really brilliant with scoops, turns, changes of directions, skills. The problem I have with his technique is that I consider someone with a great technique, to get the basic's right like 90% of the time, but there is a lot of variance in Rashford's, if he gets more consistent with it, I'd consider it great.
 
Sammyjunn said:
I agree with that.

But I'd say someone like Martial is great technically, Rashford has very good shooting technique but his touches and dribbles can be below par very often too. Running faster than the ball, heavy first touches, running the ball out of play which implies poor control of the ball, but at other moments it can be really brilliant with scoops, turns, changes of directions, skills. The problem I have with his technique is that I consider someone with a great technique, to get the basic's right like 90% of the time, but there is a lot of variance in Rashford's, if he gets more consistent with it, I'd consider it great.
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It could be that he's only 19 as well, he'll be more polished over the next few years. He's definitely not gifted like Martial when it comes to dribbling, but he's learned to be proficient enough, the consistency will come with more time working on it.
 
ivaldo said:
So then pick another striker, any striker you like. Then compare him to Ronaldo and they will come up short. It’s not hard to grasp, is it? Just because their finishing prowess and strike numbers aren’t up to his standard doesn’t mean they aren’t great strikers. The same applies to Rashford, just because he isn’t as good a dribbler as martial doesn’t mean he’s not a great technician. And this ignores another technical areas, like crossing and set peices where Rashford is more proficient than Martial.
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This is a common misconception about Martial's game, at least this season. Him not being more proficient than Rashford at crossing when he's easily become Lukaku best feeder due to his crossing is quite odd.

He's already racked up assists this season due to crossing, he's created some absolute sitters with his crossing which are becoming more and more accurate(that cross against Stoke to Lukaku quickly comes to mind).

This season beside Young I haven't seen anyone cross better than Martial. So this notion of Martial not having a proficient cross in him surprises me given what he's accomplished with his crossing already this season.
 
ivaldo said:
And this ignores another technical areas, like crossing and set peices where Rashford is more proficient than Martial.
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Agreed and very good point. People often conflate good first touch and dribbling technique with good overall technique. There are more technical aspects to a game than just dribbling and first touch. Rashford has great technique for several aspects of his game. Some of his techniques need improvement, but this is as you would expect for a 19 year old with a high ceiling such as Marcus.
 
Santoryo said:
This season beside Young I haven't seen anyone cross better than Martial. So this notion of Martial not having a proficient cross in him surprises me given what he's accomplished with his crossing already this season.
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Where have I said he isn’t a proficient crosser? This is exactly what I discussed in the very post you quoted. Just because they aren’t as good as their counterpart doesn’t mean they aren’t good at it.
 
el3mel said:
He's just not a right winger. Said it thousands of time but some don't believe that. He's a striker or left forward. Playing him on the right nullifies most of his qualities.
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Amen, finally someone that's in the same thinking as me on this. We tried both Martial and Rashford on the right last season, neither did well in that position. They're so effective on the left as they can cut inside or go on the outside of the defender, which keeps them second guessing. On the right they can't do that, if they cut inside then they're on their left foot so as you say it nullifies their best qualities.
 
pascell said:
Amen, finally someone that's in the same thinking as me on this. We tried both Martial and Rashford on the right last season, neither did well in that position. They're so effective on the left as they can cut inside or go on the outside of the defender, which keeps them second guessing. On the right they can't do that, if they cut inside then they're on their left foot so as you say it nullifies their best qualities.
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Said that many times really. His best foot is the right one so it must be the inside foot for him to be able to cut inside and shoot. On the right he'll become a mediocre out and out winger.
 
ivaldo said:
Where have I said he isn’t a proficient crosser? This is exactly what I discussed in the very post you quoted. Just because they aren’t as good as their counterpart doesn’t mean they aren’t good at it.
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My point is that they're better especially this season. His crosses land on their target and leading to goals.

My question is why are Rashford crosses better given I've yet to see them lead to anything. I've seen him put in some mean crosses in dangerous areas from the right, so did Martial though he also seems able to put in crosses from the left when he cuts in on his right and they've been landing on their targets this season and leading to goals hence my concluding that he's the better crosser.

I basically disagreed with your initial point which is what my first post was all about.
 
el3mel said:
He's just not a right winger. Said it thousands of time but some don't believe that. He's a striker or left forward. Playing him on the right nullifies most of his qualities.
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People probablydont believe it because we saw his performances coming through playing on the right wing until he was converted in to a striker. He can easily play on the right. I actually think the wing suits him better as he is a push and chase kinda guy and he has shown he can pick out a cross.
 
Sayros said:
It could be that he's only 19 as well, he'll be more polished over the next few years. He's definitely not gifted like Martial when it comes to dribbling, but he's learned to be proficient enough, the consistency will come with more time working on it.
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He's also 2 years younger than Martial and has less top flight experience too. He'll get better
 
Watching him for England I find him very frustrating. Does some good stuff followed by mucking up some easy stuff.
He's still young so he should improve on that front.

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I was hoping things would go better on the right side of the attack for England the other night, but he didn't look that comfortable there.
 
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