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Seem to remember the dutch coaches also labeled him "intelligent". Quite important for a striker.
Not worried about his finishing. The most important thing for a young striker is to get to chances. If they do, the goals will come.
Are you saying that no striker could do better than Rashford? and he had 'brilliant' half although he failed to score or assist?
I really hope we manage to keep him for the U21 this summer. When you look at players like Costa and Belotti you notice how much work modern centre forwards put down.
The next couple of years will be very important to give him a fantastic physical foundation.
The next couple of years will be very important to give him a fantastic physical foundation.
Thought he was excellent, finishing and final ball poor at times but so dynamic, fast, hard working, itnwas really refreshing to see. So different from Ibra who's excellent too in a different way.
Encouraging words. I really hope Mourinho is patient with him. Some are underestimating how difficult it is to lead the line for such a big club at his age.
This is more important for me at this stage. He hasn't great by any means but this is expected as part of his development, there needs to be an improvement next season though
Would love nothing more than him to play more games as a striker next season and eventually take the reins over from Zlatan the season after next.
It's easy to forget the feats he's already achieved. He's got a lot in his locker and I am genuinely excited to see him over the next few years.
It's easy to forget the feats he's already achieved. He's got a lot in his locker and I am genuinely excited to see him over the next few years.
Terrific first half, today, showed what potential he has, but looked out on his feet the last 20 minutes or so....
He's like a fast intelligent raptor. Zlatan is more like T-rex. Fellaini: Stegosarus.
I criticised that in other post, Jose said he was brilliant and goals will come which can back my opinion...
and yes name anyone who would do anything in 6-2-2
with 6 defenders and Carrick and Fellaini in the middle, there was basically zero service, what is so hard to understand, I dont knowI criticised that in other post, Jose said he was brilliant and goals will come which can back my opinion...
and yes name anyone who would do anything in 6-2-2
I agree that we shut shop in the second half so can't judge him for that, but he was quite poor today in the first half. Three bad misses in a row over two games. If it was Martial he wouldn't even make the squad for the next month. Jose with his double standards
. Martial doesn't get to start after games where he scores and assists, why should Rashford be judged any differently? Jose has to pick one of Rashford or Martial to develop with consistent games and loan the other. I'd choose Martial as he's got more potential and is a more talented player at the moment.You do realise Rashford is 19 years of age?
Pretty simple actually. There aren't other striker choices for Mourinho. Now that Ibrahimovic is banned he'll use Rashford the same way he used the big man. Martial has to compete against a few more players, that's why Mourinho does what he does. Right or wrong, but it's a different question to answer.I agree that we shut shop in the second half so can't judge him for that, but he was quite poor today in the first half. Three bad misses in a row over two games. If it was Martial he wouldn't even make the squad for the next month. Jose with his double standards
Pretty simple actually. There aren't other striker choices for Mourinho. Now that Ibrahimovic is banned he'll use Rashford the same way he used the big man. Martial has to compete against a few more players, that's why Mourinho does what he does. Right or wrong, but it's a different question to answer.
Would make sense if Martial and Rashford don't play in the exact same positions. Both are forwards who have been shoved wide because we have a better striker. It's all about who Mourinho wants to give game time to. When he wants Rashford to play, he'll play him across LW-ST-RW. Yet a player with similar skill sets who is more physical, a better finisher (accuracy and conversion rates per 90), better dribbler, and a better crosser somehow seems to be the last choice off the bench.
Rashford will become a star. As everybody else have said he needs to work on his finishing but his ability to make the right decision will come naturally, just give the fella some time. This guy is so good people forget he's only 19 years old.
He made some excellent runs and got in all the right places at the right time, something we've missed at United for quite a while. Brilliant player, wouldn't trade him for nobody.
He made some excellent runs and got in all the right places at the right time, something we've missed at United for quite a while. Brilliant player, wouldn't trade him for nobody.
I tho last season it was bad but now oh boy...this place turned into real cesspool,the type of comments in match thread about this kid...
Why do so many people claim that Martial is better as a striker? Martial doesn't compete with Ibrahimovic, Rashford does. Martial is better when he can dribble from out wide coming inwards. I've never seen Martial as a #9 but Rashford has the potential to be a really good one, but he has the ability to play as a winger as well, much thanks to his pace. Rashford can play as a lone striker but I haven't seen Martial have these qualities. But then again, I'm no expert, might not see everything correctly. I'm not ashamed to admit that.
Might be making some mad, but from what I've seen, Rashford seems to understand the game a bit better than Martial. Knows better which way to move, when to move, when to pass and not to. Not at all ready yet and sure he makes mistakes, but when you look at his age, it's actually quite impressive in my opinion.
Glenn Hoddle and Jose both agree his finishing will come.
Great talent. We've found a gem.
Great talent. We've found a gem.
Even for his chances today I don't think he did much wrong;
The first you would maybe say he could lift it or get it slightly more corner bound but it's not a bad save by any means.
Likewise the tap-in, I give more credit to Valdez for the save than any blame on Rashford.
I think he's a superstar, play Mata, Mkhi or Jesse behind him and we'll see balls being slipped in that no other attacker seems to be able to provide us, exceptional movement and pace.
The first you would maybe say he could lift it or get it slightly more corner bound but it's not a bad save by any means.
Likewise the tap-in, I give more credit to Valdez for the save than any blame on Rashford.
I think he's a superstar, play Mata, Mkhi or Jesse behind him and we'll see balls being slipped in that no other attacker seems to be able to provide us, exceptional movement and pace.
The goals will come. His movement and understanding of the game as a striker is perfect.
Why do so many people claim that Martial is better as a striker? Martial doesn't compete with Ibrahimovic, Rashford does. Martial is better when he can dribble from out wide coming inwards. I've never seen Martial as a #9 but Rashford has the potential to be a really good one, but he has the ability to play as a winger as well, much thanks to his pace. Rashford can play as a lone striker but I haven't seen Martial have these qualities. But then again, I'm no expert, might not see everything correctly. I'm not ashamed to admit that.
Might be making some mad, but from what I've seen, Rashford seems to understand the game a bit better than Martial. Knows better which way to move, when to move, when to pass and not to. Not at all ready yet and sure he makes mistakes, but when you look at his age, it's actually quite impressive in my opinion.
Just look at Martial's last two seasons. Regardless of whether he plays as a forward in a central or wide role he has delivered. I think his last two managers saw that he can find more space as a wide forward than a central one. The issue i have is that Rashford is given that free role under Mouriho as a forward while Martial isn't. Whether that is central or out on the wing is irrelevant. The reason Martial hasn't performed is because he's been asked to play as a LM, facing a 1v2 without a proper overlapping fullback and being asked to track back. What forward would perform well switching roles like that? Martial is more polished in every area. If you won't take my word for it, just try looking up any statistical category for a forward and compare the two per 90.
Great movement and intelligent runs be he did Heskey'd those 1v1's pretty badly.
I criticised that in other post, Jose said he was brilliant and goals will come which can back my opinion...
and yes name anyone who would do anything in 6-2-2
You do realize that there are tons of better strikers than Rashford as in right now. That's why he's not the main striker, and we are looking for a new one like Griezmann also.
So what Rashford can't do, doesn't mean no other striker could. It's not that hard to understand.
Note: It's also understandable for a striker of his age to struggle in that formation though. But he's far from brilliant, and need to improve a lot. Even though it's every United fans dream to have him as our main striker in the future.
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You have really good points. I was meaning that Rashford seems to have better understanding of the game because of his age. If he'd have this "understanding" in two years (Martial's age), I wouldn't say he's better. He just seems to have better potential. It seems to me like he could be much better than Martial when he's 21 years old. A little bit thanks to "learning" from Ibrahimovic - but he'll of course need time to play not only watch.
He's young but he's got to start finishing some of these chances.
Was good, but then faded towards the end.
Shame his end product was lacking today. His movement off the ball is very good for someone so young still. I wish Martial had his movement.
Shame his end product was lacking today. His movement off the ball is very good for someone so young still. I wish Martial had his movement.
Having a good movement will only help him in long term as a striker.
I think he is lacking confidence a bit which is normal for someone who is not playing much up front.
One thing people have to remember though that when he plays up front, it is usually with 2nd string players. Could have been more useful and effective with first teamers if he gets more chance to play with them as a striker.
I think he is lacking confidence a bit which is normal for someone who is not playing much up front.
One thing people have to remember though that when he plays up front, it is usually with 2nd string players. Could have been more useful and effective with first teamers if he gets more chance to play with them as a striker.
Such a talent but, right now a lack of a little luck and composure is hurting him. So many good runs today and two really good chances that were very good saves but, maybe could have done better as well. He has missed a quite a few chances and he probably just needs one or two in a row to really get him rolling - hopefully happens soon.
The weakness in his game though is hold up play especially late in games but, really only way he is going to learn that is if he actually gets more chances to play and right now when Zlatan is available, he is never subbed even in games where. Would have been good in some earlier games but, he has really one more game probably till the end of the season. Will be interesting to see how he performs at OT against West Brom - hopefully he'll get on the score sheet.
The weakness in his game though is hold up play especially late in games but, really only way he is going to learn that is if he actually gets more chances to play and right now when Zlatan is available, he is never subbed even in games where. Would have been good in some earlier games but, he has really one more game probably till the end of the season. Will be interesting to see how he performs at OT against West Brom - hopefully he'll get on the score sheet.
He is missing sitters? Thats the same what our big guy does.
I am sure he will score sooner or later.
I am sure he will score sooner or later.
As stated before, he seems not to adapt to his growth, body yet. He now has long leg so he can try to stretch to open up his shooting angle more. I meant Henry with similar physique, he was often crouching/ stretching when shooting sprinting at top speed.
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100% agree. You can work on your finishing. It's harder to work on your movement. And them of course his pace.
He's got the lot. All he needs is some trust and patience from the manager (which he seems to have) and the supporters (less important and less clearer but also seems to have it). Of course he needs to continue to put in work.
He's great. Lack of composure infront of goal at his age is not surprising. It was more surprising that he was so clinical last year!
If Ibra stays next year and Rashford develops properly, he has all the tools to be our main striker two seasons from now.
If Ibra stays next year and Rashford develops properly, he has all the tools to be our main striker two seasons from now.
I agree. Rashford plays like someone far beyond his years. I just don't think his technical skill and physical strength are on par with Martial. But that could change given time. I just hate seeing Mourinho waste two high potential players by not developing them properly. He should commit to one, and loan the other for match time rather than letting them waste away on the bench.
He did really well in the first half, even for Manchester United quaity player, just failed to score but again goals will come, looked very promising but he did well until we changed the formation which would kill most of any strikers abilities in the world, There's been a lot of dull games for the one up front, whoever it was when the team played 4-5-1 let alone this shocking 6-2-2 in which only lingard sort of helped with pressing.
So yes I agree there are many better strikers out ther as of now but they would be toothless to be as isolated as him, in this anti-football formation, Messi would fecking struggle in this formation.. and you could see the clear difference between the halves and change the formation
he was causing havoc in their defence, showed good dribbling skills even though it's not his biggest asset, dropped deep a few times and dragged the ball all the way forward, made good runs, the first chance he should have scored, the second one he had an important touch but Valdes did well to make the save, he was a bit unlucky, When you look at Zlatan how many clear chances he missed at the beginning it is even shocking he was still in the squad. Rashford was hit the back of the net under LVG quite regularly and he has a bad spell in terms of finishing but this was his only third game up front all season in an improvised formation and I think he did really well, got into chances and created other, he will start scoring if he stays in the team, but unfortunately for him Zlatan is coming back..I agree that we shut shop in the second half so can't judge him for that, but he was quite poor today in the first half. Three bad misses in a row over two games. If it was Martial he wouldn't even make the squad for the next month. Jose with his double standards
The thing is you look at it wrongly here. Mourinho name picked & praised Rashford for his work & movement which in itself created the chance. It's disheartening he's not scoring, but it's also promising that with luck & work his finishing can be improved.I agree that we shut shop in the second half so can't judge him for that, but he was quite poor today in the first half. Three bad misses in a row over two games. If it was Martial he wouldn't even make the squad for the next month. Jose with his double standards
Martial's biggest problem is his workrate & movement off ball. He indisputably has the dribbling skill of top talent, but without the off ball movement, the desire to make run, he's pretty much containable by well organized defense. People often spin it as Martial being asked to do too much defensive work, but the truth is it's also the offensive off ball movement Martial's lacking. It's like comparing Cavani & Berbatov here. One may look like a donkey missing chance, but he works hard enough to create enough chance to score himself. Another has all the gracious touch & better conversion rate, but doesn't work hard enough to get enough chance to score more goal.
The common excuse for Hazard is using Hazard who is lazy defensively, but he's also top notch in off ball offensive movement unlike Martial right now.
He's intelligent in what ? He only keeps pushing the ball and running like Tom Hanks !
He never put himself in good position with a control or a brillant run.
This season, he's just average in pretty everything he does and he did played a lot.
I don't really think that he can make a difference at United.
He's maybe faster than Welbeck, but Danny was better tactically and always offers balance in the team whether he played left or upfront.
He never put himself in good position with a control or a brillant run.
This season, he's just average in pretty everything he does and he did played a lot.
I don't really think that he can make a difference at United.
He's maybe faster than Welbeck, but Danny was better tactically and always offers balance in the team whether he played left or upfront.
As defensive forward. Offensively he's very deceptively unproductive/counterproductive tactically. Pretty much drawn our teams our helping the attack just to be countered soon afterward.
At least Rashford still can pass & shoot in the box. Shooting, passing can be improved with training if you don't bambi on ice everytime you step inside the box. Shoot enough and you would eventual score some. Welbeck despite being a forward, his best contribution was linking up play in midfield (not even assists). When he stretched play, more often than not we lose possession when he tried to attack opponent's box.
Rashford runs enough & put the opponent defender on the edge, stretching the them leaving space for our midfielders; and stays on his feet. Look at the space Fellaini & Lingard were afforded & how many defenders players were dragged toward Rashford.
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He was very good in the first half and Boro defenders couldn't get near him. Shame about the missed chances, should have scored at least 1 goal but over all he was very good in stretching the defense and when we attacked we did with lot of pace and movement.
Hopefully he gets few more chances as a striker.
Hopefully he gets few more chances as a striker.
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