Hes not a winger. But the one good piece of work he did was when we went 2-1 up, and Zlatan dropped and he was pushed up top. On his own he brought the ball yards forward and ended up winning a throw in. Id rather see him come on playing through the middle against tiring defences than pushing him out to the wing where its easy to defend against him if youre a full back with some pace.
10
Season Average Rating
- Appearances
- 53
- Goals
- 11
- Assists
- 7
- Yellow cards
- 3
- Status
Being around Zlatan was supposed to improve him and Martial, but like many feared it has badly affected their development. At his age Zlatan should be rotated with them both or taken off early sometimes and let one of the two play up front and find some form. Not that Zlatan hasn't been great mind, its phenomenal how he performs so well with so little rest at his age, but we need these two to develop.
Mourinho has a history of this kind of thing.
Like Hazard and Mkhitaryan, Mourinho expects his wide players to perform a tactical role. If they can't, then they are out of the team.
Martial has struggled to meet Mourinho's expectations as well.
Like Hazard and Mkhitaryan, Mourinho expects his wide players to perform a tactical role. If they can't, then they are out of the team.
Martial has struggled to meet Mourinho's expectations as well.
Loan Rashford and Martial to Swansea for a month, let them learn from Routledge and Barrow, we'll sort them out.
I'd be tempted to loan him out for the remainder of the season, regular football in his preferred position. I honestly think we've got the players to cover for him.
Looks completely lost on the wing and there is not very much that can be done about it. The only way I can seem getting time in his best position is in a 442 with Ibra, which I don't think Ibra would go for and we don't have the players to do it anyway.
Who gives a feck what Ibra would go for?
West Brom 0:2 Man Utd
Thought he was used better as a sub today. Dont think the left side suits him as much cos he doesnt have a left foot. Using his pace against tiring defenders is a good way to use him for now.
I thought he did well today.
He looks more comfortable on the right than the left, shame he had a swing and a miss with that chnace near the end, a goal would have done him good.
Worse than Danny Welbeck.
At what?
Getting himself injured it seems.
That would be one, yeah.
At least Welbeck ran the ball out of play trying to do some skill, Rashford does it every game by sprinting in a straight line and losing control. No footballing intelligence at all. Right place, right time. No more talented than some of other u23s. Lingard is a better player. Rashford hype will soon die down, and those who wanted to go into this season with him as our first choice striker are slowly seeing how crazy they were.
PS - before anyone says "but he's been playing on the wing", that doesn't excuse the fact he regularly makes the wrong decision and seems to struggle to control the ball and pass it first time.
That's a weird post to say the least. I wouldn't probably bet on Lingard being the better player at all and he's 24, five years older than Marcus. No more talented than some of other u23s? Care to tell us who, from our u23s, is more talented than a 19 year old Rashford? And to be fair even if those potential names are, it's still Rashford who's made it to the top flight and plays for us, played a grand role last season, make it be down to luck or not, he kept his place throughout that period.
I didn't want to go into this season as our first choice striker by the way.
Its a weird thing to say though cos him being out of position does affect his decisions. We could see that with Rojo at LB, or Jones as DM/RB. Its not natural for them. Rashford might have done some work younger, but his best since coming into the first team has been up top.
Hes only turned 19 so anybody wanting him as our first choice striker would have been mad.
Hes only turned 19 so anybody wanting him as our first choice striker would have been mad.
Lack of defense shouldn't be blamed on Mourinho at all, its the nature of all wingers in today's game to be able to hold up their end of the bargain on both ends of the pitch, especially seeing as pressing has become the new essence in many top teams. Based on what I have seen so far, it seems as if once you take away his option to beat you with sheer pace, he becomes really limited.
This!
This period for any youngster can either make or break them. Luckily he is only 19 years old and has ample time. I don't think there is a single top team that has a U23 attacker regularly starting.
Still maintain he is just simply not suited to the wing. I will only judge him properly when played centrally because I've already seen enough evidence to conclude he won't be as effective anywhere else.
You only have to see his goal against City last year to know what he's capable of. That burst of acceleration is lethal, in both dribbling past a CB and running in behind a defence. It's completely different when you're on the wing.
You only have to see his goal against City last year to know what he's capable of. That burst of acceleration is lethal, in both dribbling past a CB and running in behind a defence. It's completely different when you're on the wing.
Rashford is a tricky one for me. There's such a ridiculously small list of forward players that start at a young age, make the first team, disappear from the first team, then come back at some later date to really make it.
The truly scary attacking talents just go from strength to strength. Giggs came into the first team and really just stayed there. Rooney ditto. Owen ditto. Messi, Ronaldo. Real Ronaldo. Etc etc.
I know I'm listing the absolute top drawer of strikers, but isn't that what we should be after?
We talk a lot about loan deals being 'a great option' for young players, but Becks aside (15 years ago...) has that actually worked for us? Or any prem teams?
It seems to me that the road to the very top has two paths for forwards:
1. You're ridiculous, so you break into the team at a stupid age, and you just keep getting better.
2. You're pretty good, but through luck, loyalty or injury you don't move to a top team at a young age, so you get 5-7 seasons as a professional playing every week to hone your craft, at which point you do get a chance and move, fit into a good system and go onto be amazing.
So...surely he needs to stay here and fight for a place?
The truly scary attacking talents just go from strength to strength. Giggs came into the first team and really just stayed there. Rooney ditto. Owen ditto. Messi, Ronaldo. Real Ronaldo. Etc etc.
I know I'm listing the absolute top drawer of strikers, but isn't that what we should be after?
We talk a lot about loan deals being 'a great option' for young players, but Becks aside (15 years ago...) has that actually worked for us? Or any prem teams?
It seems to me that the road to the very top has two paths for forwards:
1. You're ridiculous, so you break into the team at a stupid age, and you just keep getting better.
2. You're pretty good, but through luck, loyalty or injury you don't move to a top team at a young age, so you get 5-7 seasons as a professional playing every week to hone your craft, at which point you do get a chance and move, fit into a good system and go onto be amazing.
So...surely he needs to stay here and fight for a place?
Rashford worse than Welbeck 
This. He should be played only as a striker, it comes to him much more naturally.
I don't mind him getting sub appearances as a winger of course.
Last edited:
If Mourinho did not have faith in Rashford he would not be playing him. Rashford might be starting on the bench at the moment but he is still getting matches. Compare that to the likes of Schneiderlin and Memphis. Its clear Mou thinks 'the kid' has a future. He is right to. Rashford's a teenager, he has time to develop.
If Rashford wants to succeed Ibra he needs to go through a Ronaldo-like bulk up. Mourinho likes his big man up front, that mobile target, be it Drogba, Ibra, Milito etc. Rashford's got the movement but he needs to add the presence. He has to become that striker we can use to relieve pressure on ourselves with a long high ball, like we've used Zlatan. He needs to be a striker who can play with his back to goal against a Wes Morgan or a Ryan Shawcross.
Rashford has all the footballing gifts. He just needs to hit the gym. Just like Ronaldo. If he comes back from summer 2017 henched up, I believe he'll have a much bigger 2017/18 than many expect.
If Rashford wants to succeed Ibra he needs to go through a Ronaldo-like bulk up. Mourinho likes his big man up front, that mobile target, be it Drogba, Ibra, Milito etc. Rashford's got the movement but he needs to add the presence. He has to become that striker we can use to relieve pressure on ourselves with a long high ball, like we've used Zlatan. He needs to be a striker who can play with his back to goal against a Wes Morgan or a Ryan Shawcross.
Rashford has all the footballing gifts. He just needs to hit the gym. Just like Ronaldo. If he comes back from summer 2017 henched up, I believe he'll have a much bigger 2017/18 than many expect.
It was Martin Demichelis.
And? It's an 18 year old striker.
Jose has a history of big strong tanky strikers being the main man up front.
Rashford is a bit more agile and quick but I reckon he will soon have to build muscle mass atleast to peak-phenomeno (Ronaldo) level to take his game and to make his transition to our number 9 more comfortable for him & Jose himself.
Rashford is a bit more agile and quick but I reckon he will soon have to build muscle mass atleast to peak-phenomeno (Ronaldo) level to take his game and to make his transition to our number 9 more comfortable for him & Jose himself.
He shouldn't bulk up too much though. His burst of speed over the first five meters is deadly. A Mandzukic-like physique will suit him perfectly.
If you had to choose one to bulk up between Rashford & Martial to Lead the line - considering Jose's history of strikers to include drogba,ibrahimovic,Mccarthy etc; who do you think has that ability to do it?
Bulked up or not, I think Rashford is the better prospect as a striker. Just has a lot of the tools needed for a top striker in the modern game plus the fearlessness to make it at a club like United.
Man Utd 2:1 Middlesbrough
One of the players who made a difference coming from behind to win. Fair play to the lad!
Yup, good little cameo
He is bloody fast, isn't he? Should have been awarded with a penalty
Was the can opener, to borrow SAF's term, that started out comeback. Fantastic year for the kid.
He did well when he came on and should've earned a penalty.
His best cameo in months.
Really dangerous cutting in from the left isn't he? Reminded me of the impact he had for England against Iceland when he came on as a sub and injected some directness and trickery out wide.
Unbelievable acceleration. Should've won a penalty as well.
Nice showing! Could have had an assist, and should have won us a pen if not for an inept performance from Mason.
That should be his role coming off the bench rather than starting league games.
- Status