[Hugh Jass]

I think he needs to be up front.

 

[Eddy_JukeZ]

Terrible cameo.

He needs to show more fight. Very disappointing.

 

[Sylar]

Apart from that 10 minute cameo for England against Iceland on the left, why do people think he should be playing there?
Id rather see him come on up front in games like this to put the high press with energy.

 

[ti vu]

Apart from that 10 minute cameo for England against Iceland on the left, why do people think he should be playing there?
Id rather see him come on up front in games like this to put the high press with energy.

City game second half he was immerse. However, now with time, it's more like Pep can't set his team up vs pacy runner than Rashford's ability on the wing.

Rashford needs to learn to use his body. He looks fecking lightweight and get the ball shielding wrong on so many time. Then what is with that step over near the byline just to let the ball roll out of play when he can just cross it or keep hold of it? Too many times I see this happened.

 

[pocco]

No link, but he was yelling at him "Marcus! Marcus! Marcus!" and then "come on!" This was right after he got beaten by Walker (I think), quite easily, near the sideline. I honestly do not understand why he's brought on towards the end of a match like this, where his only job seems to be to defend. Rather bring Young/Rooney on if that's the case.

To play on the counter and try to pin Walker back a bit. It was quite a bold move by Mourinho, but we have been asking for this type of thinking rather than trying to just shut up shop as we did against Everton.

 

[ti vu]

To play on the counter and try to pin Walker back a bit. It was quite a bold move by Mourinho, but we have been asking for this type of thinking rather than trying to just shut up shop as we did against Everton.

Agree and like the Arsenal game, Rashford has not been up to the task. And for while Martial is being subbed, Martial is clearly knackered and like majority of youngster Martial's understanding of the game is not up there and and it showed when Tottenham turned on the heat with Martial did the basic wrong and lost the ball cheaply.

 

[Cerpin]

To play on the counter and try to pin Walker back a bit. It was quite a bold move by Mourinho, but we have been asking for this type of thinking rather than trying to just shut up shop as we did against Everton.

He's done the same in most of these matches. Put Rashford on the left towards the end and then subbed the other winger for a defensive player Fellaini/Schneiderlin (today Bailly). Rashford is clearly out of form at the moment, offering near to no threat going forward, so you have to question him coming on in these games. Give him some time off and sub Young/Rooney on instead -- or play him as a striker towards the end of games, that would be an actual bold, counterattacking move.

I think that Mourinho, to a degree, is feeling pressure to play Rashford this season. Partly because of his reputation of being poor with youth players, but also because he bigged him up earlier in the season (after the City game).

 

[Dinghy]

Was a terrible little cameo at the end, he seemed to mess up every time he touched the ball.

Looks a bit low on confidence, it's understandable there'd be a dip. He'll be back to normal soon enough.

That's the thing for me though, what is normal for him? Hope I'm wrong but I don't think he'll be able to live up to the expectations that was made after his debut-season.

 

[ti vu]

He's done the same in most of these matches. Put Rashford on the left towards the end and then subbed the other winger for a defensive player Fellaini/Schneiderlin (today Bailly). Rashford is clearly out of form at the moment, offering near to no threat going forward, so you have to question him coming on in these games. Give him some time off and sub Young/Rooney on instead -- or play him as a striker towards the end of games, that would be an actual bold, counterattacking move.

I think that Mourinho, to a degree, is feeling pressure to play Rashford this season. Partly because of his reputation of being poor with youth players, but also because he bigged him up earlier in the season (after the City game).

I do agree with the last paragraph. I think with United Mourinho is demanded to re-innovate himself by subbing similar attacking outlets than his textbook shut off shop defensive specialist to see out game. I don't think Rashford simply just gets on due to mere reputation. Rashford poor cameo is more due to his inexperience than his sub quality on the wing.

 

[C'est Moi Cantona]

It's hard to tell how good he could be, but he's not a winger, and there seems very little opportunity for him to play as a striker, but imo he should be played as the striker or not at all.

His confidence looks shot which is understandable, maybe a run out for the reserves is in order.

 

[kouroux]

Marcus 'Run-the-ball-out-of-play' Rashford

 

[shamans]

I had my doubts since day one to be honest. I felt his dribbling was too hit and miss but believed most on here (and experts) of that just being the impression he gave due to his style of dribbling. I wouldn't say my doubts have been proved right just yet but honestly I never saw Rashford as a future worldie. Martial despite being a little shit this season is the real deal imo. Of course Rashford is very young and there is plenty of time to go for him.

I also think he's not a winger but when you think about it I don't blame mourinho for wanting to make it work. His strengths are his pace and going past people. Our wing department really lacks that right now.

 

[ti vu]

I had my doubts since day one to be honest. I felt his dribbling was too hit and miss but believed most on here (and experts) of that just being the impression he gave due to his style of dribbling. I wouldn't say my doubts have been proved right just yet but honestly I never saw Rashford as a future worldie. Martial despite being a little shit this season is the real deal imo. Of course Rashford is very young and there is plenty of time to go for him.

I also think he's not a winger but when you think about it I don't blame mourinho for wanting to make it work. His strengths are his pace and going past people. Our wing department really lacks that right now.

Too early do draw conclusion.

There is a hell apart between dribbling wiz and good dribbler. That's nothing to do with potential to become top class player/ forward or simply maze dribbler winger.

Martial is a dribbling wiz. Rashford is good but not dribbling wiz. Confidence has huge factor with dribbling. Martial was way better with confidence. Rashford was better too. The chance for Rashford to become a dribbling wiz is almost impossible as it's more natural talent!

Now move on to potential as a player. Martial has quite some flaws, so does Rashford differently. Both has huge potential and different strength. It's impossible to say who would fulfill their potential first or at all now. Thing is there was Henry who is world class who grace PL, but couldn't do as well vs thick defense in tournament or in CL. Then there is RVN who was level below outside the box, but dominate chance coming into crowded box and also world class. Then there is Saha who couldn't reach world class due to injury but who was great in the air, very good outside the box on counter or inside the box in deadball situation. He is a great platform to bring world class wide men into play and arguably as a team can match or even better other 2 players' teams. There are more type of how a player career may turn out to be. Point again is it's too early to draw any conclusion.

 

[MounchesterUtd]

I think he needs a reality check. Not a loan, just on the sidelines, although his agent will probably have other thoughts. Martial is going through this to. So much so soon.

Luckily for us, he doesn't have an agent. Unless that has changed too.

 

[Keenst]

He was scoring with almost every shot he took during that crazy run of form for him. If he'd kept up that form he'd have scored a hundred goals so it was obviously never going to continue. He's pretty much the only teenager in the league getting somewhat regular games so he shouldn't worry about the drop in form and needs just keep working hard. He probably needed a reality check anyway.

 

[shamans]

Too early do draw conclusion.

There is a hell apart between dribbling wiz and good dribbler. That's nothing to do with potential to become top class player/ forward or simply maze dribbler winger.

Martial is a dribbling wiz. Rashford is good but not dribbling wiz. Confidence has huge factor with dribbling. Martial was way better with confidence. Rashford was better too. The chance for Rashford to become a dribbling wiz is almost impossible as it's more natural talent!

Now move on to potential as a player. Martial has quite some flaws, so does Rashford differently. Both has huge potential and different strength. It's impossible to say who would fulfill their potential first or at all now. Thing is there was Henry who is world class who grace PL, but couldn't do as well vs thick defense in tournament or in CL. Then there is RVN who was level below outside the box, but dominate chance coming into crowded box and also world class. Then there is Saha who couldn't reach world class due to injury but who was great in the air, very good outside the box on counter or inside the box in deadball situation. He is a great platform to bring world class wide men into play and arguably as a team can match or even better other 2 players' teams. There are more type of how a player career may turn out to be. Point again is it's too early to draw any conclusion.

Yes I agree it's too early to tell. Anything can happen at this point. I was just presenting the point that there is no certainty that Rashford will go on to be a top player. There is a chance he will but also a chance he won't - who knows at this point. However, I originally mentioned Kane because in my books he has proved himself to be able to play football at a good level for a top club. He is having some bad weeks right now but he's a more than capable striker. At the very least, Kane being a part of the United squad would bring about a lot of strength. Also, Kane is still very young. He might even improve on this and be better than ever.

I do think this forum has really overrated Rashford. There were threads about him being the best talent here since Giggs which I never understood. Like I said, he could be a top player but at this point there are too many variables to consider. That is nothing to be sad or disappointed about. The only players who you can just tell will be big at his age are the likes of Rooney, Messi, Fabregas or Odegaard of the current crop. You just know they will be top class players at a young age but that's just how they develop - differently.

All that said, if I was to bet money on either Rashford or Martial making a bigger impact it would have to be Martial. Rashford is the type of youngster you look at and think "nice.. this kid has potential. He could be good!" whereas Martial is more of a "holy fecking shit.." talent.

 

[Escobar]

Well running the ball out of play has nothing to do whether he plays upfront or on the wing, it's just stupid and shows he still lacks quite a lot!

 

[sugar_kane]

Not had a single good game on the left and was brilliant on the right last season.

Wish Jose would give him a shot there. With Mikki out the Palace game could be the time.

 

[Mainoldo]

Wish people would just shut up about where he plays. He's capable of playing anywhere along the front line and if he can't he best figure it out or his chances will be limited. We can't moan about the substitution because the alternative would have been to put Rooney on (who would have done a far better job). Then we would have moaned that Jose doesn't give youth a chance.

 

[JJ12]

Should have come on for Zlatan. His energy closing down defenders would have been far more useful.

 

[m1y2]

Apart from that 10 minute cameo for England against Iceland on the left, why do people think he should be playing there?
Id rather see him come on up front in games like this to put the high press with energy.

he had many more than decent games there, the problem is that once his form is out he wills tart to struggle and the confidence will go down and he will play worse and worse there, he should be given run out up front in a proper game either in a cup or swapfor zlatan around 70 minute mark, he cant play every game at 35, he worked very hard last game but I can see him saving some nergy the next game against "lesser" oponent

 

[NinjaFletch]

Not had a single good game on the left and was brilliant on the right last season.

Wish Jose would give him a shot there. With Mikki out the Palace game could be the time.

Was he? He was brilliant up front. Can't remember him particularly shining on the right flank or even really playing there at all tbh. What games did he play right wing and was brilliant in last year?

 

[Sylar]

he had many more than decent games there, the problem is that once his form is out he wills tart to struggle and the confidence will go down and he will play worse and worse there, he should be given run out up front in a proper game either in a cup or swapfor zlatan around 70 minute mark, he cant play every game at 35, he worked very hard last game but I can see him saving some nergy the next game against "lesser" oponent

I agree he should be given a run out up front. I just cant remember the games out wide where he was really good but it seems like he started there for a while or comes on as a sub there and doesnt make a real positive impact. Whereas when he plays more centrally hes more of a danger to opposition as it seems more natural for him.

 

[facund]

Why isn't he appearing for the u23's at all?
Early in the season when he was in the team every week it made sense but now that he is a bit more peripheral and looks like he needs to get back in to some form it seems a bit daft to me that he isn't given a few games at a lower level (where we have a distinct dearth of attacking depth) to work on his sharpness. He can still be put on the bench for the first team but he might be able to get a bit of momentum going by playing minutes in a less pressurised environment. It might even serve as a reality check if there are any concerns about his attitude/approach.

 

[Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber]

I thought he did alright. Anyone who had an issue with him making the mistake of running the ball out of play by error. Should also be bashing Martial total failure to control the ball after being given a pass that gave him.the beating of walker.....

 

[harms]

I know a lot of people don't appreciate what Rooney has done at United but when I have watched Martial and Rashford play in the last few weeks it is incredible to see how special a young Wayne Rooney was for us in one of the best periods in the history of the club. Rooney was a top class player but was still bursting his gut out and playing different positions for the team as per requirement.Both Martial and Rashford seem completely disinterested and soft, Mourinho was absolutely right to have a go at Rashford today.

Don't think that anyone discredits Rooney's career with us (well, most of it) because of the last 3 years. He was a dream signing and a special player for us, starting as a young prodigy and turning into a truly world-class player who lead us after Ronaldo's departure.

 

[Zlaatan]

Not had a single good game on the left and was brilliant on the right last season.

Wish Jose would give him a shot there. With Mikki out the Palace game could be the time.

Surely Mata will be ahead of him for that right spot. He has a bigger chance continuing on the left since I think Mata has been much better on the right than Martial has on the left.

 

[Bojan11]

I thought he did alright. Anyone who had an issue with him making the mistake of running the ball out of play by error. Should also be bashing Martial total failure to control the ball after being given a pass that gave him.the beating of walker.....

Yes because Martial does that every game.

 

[Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber]

Yes because Martial does that every game.

Earlier this season he was doing much worse. Its part and parcel of being a talented young player and its called I consistency. As long as his head never drops it really isn't a big deal.

 

[Donut]

I can understand having a poor game but not contesting for headers and letting people run past you like you aren't even there is inexcusable.

Hopefully the fame hasn't got to him, he still has so much work to do.

 

[tomaldinho1]

indifferent form is probably a blessing for us as I think he has a lot of learning to do and it takes the pressure of Mou to include him in positions where he is quite average.

 

[Loublaze]

No link, but he was yelling at him "Marcus! Marcus! Marcus!" and then "come on!" This was right after he got beaten by Walker (I think), quite easily, near the sideline. I honestly do not understand why he's brought on towards the end of a match like this, where his only job seems to be to defend. Rather bring Young/Rooney on if that's the case.

I also heard him scream at Carrick very angrily. 'Michael!!'

I think the kid should focus on the simple things. He dribbles the ball out of play too many times

 

[Jaybomb]

He's not a winger. He's a number 9 and should ONLY be played in the middle.

Putting defensive duties on him is doing him a disservice. It's only gonna hinder his development and hurt him in the long run. Look at Welbeck for example.

 

[tom porter]

Apart from that 10 minute cameo for England against Iceland on the left, why do people think he should be playing there?
Id rather see him come on up front in games like this to put the high press with energy.

Agree with this for multiple reasons.
1.At the end of games Ibra is usually unable to press defenders high up the pitch making it easier for teams to build from the back. Rashford can press from the front.
2. Rashfords pace in behind will force defenders to drop deeper or risk giving up a 1v1 situation. I've always felt that bringing on players with pace can change a game.
3. Rash is an awful defender 1v1 on the wing. You can tell by his body language he doesn't like it and he is a liability.

 

[Devil may care]

This is going to potentially be a headache for Jose as I just don't see him playing Rashford as a #9.

 

[Ali Dia]

He should start him up front in a few matches to rest zlatan. We are too reliant on his goals alone so if he was to get injured we don't have another striker in any form at all. That could be a mistake. Rashford isn't really cutting it on the wing at the minute anyway.

 

[OohAahMartial]

It's his goal to become a complete well-rounded forward able to play anywhere along the front line. As a 19 year old he's obviously not that yet but is being given the chances to develop himself in these games, weak spot training, but not given so much time that it threatens the team's success too much. In the long-term this will be good for him and for us.

 

[Bobcat]

Yes I agree it's too early to tell. Anything can happen at this point. I was just presenting the point that there is no certainty that Rashford will go on to be a top player. There is a chance he will but also a chance he won't - who knows at this point. However, I originally mentioned Kane because in my books he has proved himself to be able to play football at a good level for a top club. He is having some bad weeks right now but he's a more than capable striker. At the very least, Kane being a part of the United squad would bring about a lot of strength. Also, Kane is still very young. He might even improve on this and be better than ever.

I do think this forum has really overrated Rashford. There were threads about him being the best talent here since Giggs which I never understood. Like I said, he could be a top player but at this point there are too many variables to consider. That is nothing to be sad or disappointed about. The only players who you can just tell will be big at his age are the likes of Rooney, Messi, Fabregas or Odegaard of the current crop. You just know they will be top class players at a young age but that's just how they develop - differently.

All that said, if I was to bet money on either Rashford or Martial making a bigger impact it would have to be Martial. Rashford is the type of youngster you look at and think "nice.. this kid has potential. He could be good!" whereas Martial is more of a "holy fecking shit.." talent.

He is not the first youngster who has come flying out the blocks only to fade into mediocrity later (if that is what happens). Many thought Wilson was destined for greatness and the same with countless others before him.

 

[shamans]

He is not the first youngster who has come flying out the blocks only to fade into mediocrity later (if that is what happens). Many thought Wilson was destined for greatness and the same with countless others before him.

Even during his run of goals last season I never had the "he will 100% make it huge" feeling. It was more of recognizing the potential this kid has. As I mentioned earlier, knowing 100% if someone will make it big is very, very rare.

 

[flappyjay]

It would be better if he just went out on loan and played as a striker we have Martial and Rooney as back ups if Zlatan gets a long term injury we can call him back