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2016-17 Performances

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53
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11
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Lay said:
I didn't see the match but I wouldn't be surprised. There were some who thought we didn't need a striker as we have Rashford.. :lol: Problem is, he's still a kid. If he drops in form, its natural. We won't be able to fully rely on him for a number of seasons yet.
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A kid who has proven against the big teams. This isn't januzaj scoring against Sunderland. This is a player who ripped City & Arsenal to shreds. Likewise martial ripped Liverpool & Chelsea. What else do you want? If age is such a big issue then do not use them at all instead of making them stall in secondary positions.

Let's just forget we are a club that would give youngsters all the chances in the world to impress. The class of 92' were all WC with WR fees during a Galactico era after all. :nervous:

Looks like we want quick fix, quick results without really building anything stable. Let's try to be the new Real Madrid whilst we have a manager who suits buying superstars rather than making any.

God this club is changing its roots under stress & strain.
 
He hasn't gotten enough run of games as the primary center forward and the players around him haven't been consistent either both performance and personnel wise.
 
Primarily it isn't his job to defend, I get that that but he really let Oxlade-Chamberlain get away too easily to put that cross into the box. It's frustrating because it could've been so easily avoided.
 
Acole9 said:
Primarily it isn't his job to defend, I get that that but he really let Oxlade-Chamberlain get away too easily to put that cross into the box. It's frustrating because it could've been so easily avoided.
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For any decent side it's everyones job to defend.

Unless of course you have stats like C. Ronaldo and then maybe you can be given some slack.
 
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I'm not concerned about him, he still has lots to learn and could use a break.
 
Even besides the poor marking, I thought he was poor.

Our wingers have been terrible this season.
 
Think he could do with a break and be used as a late sub when needed. Still think he will be a great player but he has gone off the boil slightly and I think his confidence has taken a knock. Martial, Ibra and Mata as our main front 3 for now with Rashford, Lingard and Mhki to come in when needed.
 
Right when Ox faced him 1v1 I knew it was over. Rashford showed his inexperience by trying to win the ball when he should of let Ox make a move then try to hack dim down or shield him off. To be fair he isn't a defender though and I thought he had a good game overall
 
He was very poor for that Arsenal goal although a LB should have covered as well. But for me today he was a complete let down in terms of attack. He hardly made anything worthwhile, he could not get into the needed position when he had a half-chances. Basically he completely squandered his opportunity as a CF.
 
He's a striker. I don't blame him for losing one on one vs Ox but yea if he could have done better, Giroud goal would never happened from the first place.
 
Hopefully he learns from this though. If it was the first minute, fine, let the guy go past then hope your defence bails you out cos theres plenty of time left if something comes from it.

With a few minutes left, you take out the guy (or the ball) or both.

We do have to remember he is only 19 (just turned 19 as well) and his best position for us in the senior squad is up front (not on the wings). It seems he default goes there just cos hes got pace, but clearly not the positioning nor know-how in terms of defending in positions like those.

I do hope we dont burn him out and give him some rest too (and use him as a sub to come on for Zlatan or join Zlatan up top).
 
He actually did something similar in Turkey, he is not very good at preventing crosses.

Not easy though, when the other team is attacking with 9-10 men you are bound to end up with some 1v1s on the flank.

Thought he was mobile today, but didn't do that much on the ball. Arguably the distance between our attacking players was the main problem, at least when we tried to counter.
 
TheSweeper said:
A kid who has proven against the big teams. This isn't januzaj scoring against Sunderland. This is a player who ripped City & Arsenal to shreds. Likewise martial ripped Liverpool & Chelsea. What else do you want? If age is such a big issue then do not use them at all instead of making them stall in secondary positions.

Let's just forget we are a club that would give youngsters all the chances in the world to impress. The class of 92' were all WC with WR fees during a Galactico era after all. :nervous:

Looks like we want quick fix, quick results without really building anything stable. Let's try to be the new Real Madrid whilst we have a manager who suits buying superstars rather than making any.

God this club is changing its roots under stress & strain.
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Not entirely sure where you going with that post. I rate Rashford highly. My only concern is that we have overplayed him, and due to his age, he will naturally have more losses in form than a player in their prime years.
 
Could be Danny Welbeck Mark 2 here.

Similar leggy physique, local lad, primarily a striker being shunted out wide, not a consistent goal getter, prone to glimpses of genuine class, frustrating to watch.....
 
The lad just needs a rest. He also needs proper instructions, as does Martial as they are still very young. The senior players thought LVg gave too much information, and wanted 'freedom' - well now they have it they can't close out a match:rolleyes: Jose seems to be catering to them which is a mistake.
Young lads like Marcus and Martial are still learning, and need to have a structure to work with as they develop. I feel like Marcus is thrown out there and Jose expects he'll perform like a 27 year old. You need a different approach for young developing footballers.
I honestly don't know what will happen here as it's unlikely Jose will change his ways. It's a pity LVG didn't work out, as he would have been far better for the lad's development imo.
 
Blaming him for the goal seems a little silly to me. Its a bit like when people blamed Blind for conceding a throw in that led to a goal. Every team concedes many crosses and throw in's per game. Leicester actually encouraged teams to attack them down the wings and cross as their CB's could clear those up all day and they lead to goals relatively rarely. The difference for us is that Jones got sat on his arse instead of winning his battle. Think Jose's comments suggested he saw it primarily as a CB failing but one to be expected by them considering their lack of consistent games at CB.
 
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Jazz said:
The lad just needs a rest. He also needs proper instructions, as does Martial as they are still very young. The senior players thought LVg gave too much information, and wanted 'freedom' - well now they have it they can't close out a match:rolleyes: Jose seems to be catering to them which is a mistake.
Young lads like Marcus and Martial are still learning, and need to have a structure to work with as they develop. I feel like Marcus is thrown out there and Jose expects he'll perform like a 27 year old. You need a different approach for young developing footballers.
I honestly don't know what will happen here as it's unlikely Jose will change his ways. It's a pity LVG didn't work out, as he would have been far better for the lad's development imo.
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Agree with this. So far it seems like Mourinho has trained and conveyed his defensive philosophy to the players but not yet the offensive aspect. He just lets them figure it out for themselves but the young players lack the experience to do that.

The biggest concern about Rashford performance wasn't defensively but that when played as a #9 he didn't have a shot on target and drifted out wide (something LVG tried to stop him doing). He needs to become a specialist first before adding other positions to his game.
 
Dobbs said:
I wouldn't blame a centre half for missing goalscoring chances because that's not their job. Players have positions for a reason.

Equally I don't blame a centre forward, even if it is a mistake, for not defending properly in the left back position.
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Defending the opposition full back in that position is part of the role of a wide forward. Rashford's link and hold up play isn't good enough to play as the lone striker. In a 4-3-3, playing as a wide forward is his best chance of being in the team.

He will learn from that mistake and hopefully make sure it doesn't happen again. If he doesn't learn from it and continues to make mistakes like that he won't be trusted to play in the big games.
 
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Agree with this. So far it seems like Mourinho has trained and conveyed his defensive philosophy to the players but not yet the offensive aspect. He just lets them figure it out for themselves but the young players lack the experience to do that.

The biggest concern about Rashford performance wasn't defensively but that when played as a #9 he didn't have a shot on target and drifted out wide (something LVG tried to stop him doing). He needs to become a specialist first before adding other positions to his game.
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Might be an idea to hire LVG just to work with Marcus and Martial:D
Honestly, it worries me. Here are two youngsters with talent and all this potential, and it might be wasted, as our manager doesn't seem to understand how best to develop them. I wish we had a DOF. Someone diplomatic enough to make a suggestion without the manager getting the impression he's being told what to do, and can gently point Jose in the direction of hiring another coach to his set up who can specifically help with this aspect.
 
Jazz said:
Might be an idea to hire LVG just to work with Marcus and Martial:D
Honestly, it worries me. Here are two youngsters with talent and all this potential, and it might be wasted, as our manager doesn't seem to understand how best to develop them. I wish we had a DOF. Someone diplomatic enough to make a suggestion without the manager getting the impression he's being told what to do, and can gently point Jose in the direction of hiring another coach to his set up who can specifically help with this aspect.
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Martial has been poor for club AND country and that started in the summer before Mourinho was his manager, so why is Mourinho taking the blame for this?

Rashford is getting loads of minutes, both up top and on the wings.
 
Regulus Arcturus Black said:
Martial has been poor for club AND country and that started in the summer before Mourinho was his manager, so why is Mourinho taking the blame for this?
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Mourinho's had him for a while now, and the kid keeps getting worse. Obviously Martial needs to put more work in, but Jose does not seem to know how to get the best out of him. We know you can be strict with him and he responds - LVG did it all the time and Martial did not resent that. The difference is that Martial knew LVg had his best interests' at heart, and he appreciated that. Doesn't seem as if he knows where he stands with Jose.
 
POF said:
Defending the opposition full back in that position is part of the role of a wide forward. Rashford's link and hold up play isn't good enough to play as the lone striker. In a 4-3-3, playing as a wide forward is his best chance of being in the team.

He will learn from that mistake and hopefully make sure it doesn't happen again. If he doesn't learn from it and continues to make mistakes like that he won't be trusted to play in the big games.
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You realise our best fullback kept being beaten in the same manner against fecking Jesus Navas just few weeks ago? If that is the reason why our striker won't start big games then I am afraid we will have to drop our all defence first.
 
Regulus Arcturus Black said:
You seem to know an awful lot about Anthony Martial's thoughts and feelings :confused:
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It's all from what he said in more than one interviews. Nothing to do with me guessing his feelings - all there in his interviews.
 
Amar__ said:
You realise our best fullback kept being beaten in the same manner against fecking Jesus Navas just few weeks ago? If that is the reason why our striker won't start big games then I am afraid we will have to drop our all defence first.
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Fergie would play Butt ahead of Scholes, Park ahead of Nani and even pushed Ronaldo up front to play more defensively astute players in big games.

Big games are decided on big moments and a mistake can completely change a game. If it's good enough for Ronaldo, Scholes and Nani then it's good enough for a promising young kid who has played half a season of first team football.
 
POF said:
Defending the opposition full back in that position is part of the role of a wide forward. Rashford's link and hold up play isn't good enough to play as the lone striker. In a 4-3-3, playing as a wide forward is his best chance of being in the team.

He will learn from that mistake and hopefully make sure it doesn't happen again. If he doesn't learn from it and continues to make mistakes like that he won't be trusted to play in the big games.
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It will happen again because all young players, in fact all players, make mistakes.

One poster described it is as "unacceptable." Well he'll have to accept it because that's part of football.
 
POF said:
Fergie would play Butt ahead of Scholes, Park ahead of Nani and even pushed Ronaldo up front to play more defensively astute players in big games.

Big games are decided on big moments and a mistake can completely change a game. If it's good enough for Ronaldo, Scholes and Nani then it's good enough for a promising young kid who has played half a season of first team football.
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That still doesn't answer my question about who should we play in defence.
 
Dobbs said:
It will happen again because all young players, in fact all players, make mistakes.

One poster described it is as "unacceptable." Well he'll have to accept it because that's part of football.
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Agreed. But if mistakes like that (it was a bad and costly one) happen regularly then the manager is less likely to want him on the pitch in a big game. I don't think Rashford is ready to be a regular starter for United but would be a very dangerous impact player off the bench.

Amar__ said:
That still doesn't answer my question about who should we play in defence.
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I didn't know what that had to do with Rashford so just ignored it.
 
dogwithabone said:
Could be Danny Welbeck Mark 2 here.

Similar leggy physique, local lad, primarily a striker being shunted out wide, not a consistent goal getter, prone to glimpses of genuine class, frustrating to watch.....
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Not a goal getter, prone to glimpses? What a rubbish, thoughtless post with all due respect. You can't compare him to Welbeck just because he's hit a patch of 'bad' form. Rashford is clearly a superior finisher to Welbeck and he was a constant threat since his arrival in the first team. I think LVG used him better than Mourinho is doing
 
Loublaze said:
Not a goal getter, prone to glimpses? What a rubbish, thoughtless post with all due respect. You can't compare him to Welbeck just because he's hit a patch of 'bad' form. Rashford is clearly a superior finisher to Welbeck and he was a constant threat since his arrival in the first team. I think LVG used him better than Mourinho is doing
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I don't see the Welbeck comparisons but I think he could do with a rest and a period out of the spotlight where he can continue his development.
 
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