Rashford, Pogba, Lingard, Shaw, Martial, TFM and Bailly are a very agile and young core to build on
Add De Gea too who is young for a goal keeper.
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Add De Gea too who is young for a goal keeper.
His dribbling is excellent for a youngster just breaking into a big club in the PL.
Depends what you consider as dribbling. He might not be using "skills" so to say but with his clever faints, movement and pace he easily gets past players
I never say he can't dribble or beat player. I'm just saying it's still raw. Still long way to go if he is considered to be winger in 433 with his current dribbling ability.
You said that dribbling is not one of this strengths...
So raw is different with not being strong on it?
Just because he can beat players doesn't mean his dribble isn't raw. Herrera and Fellaini can pass the ball to our team mate but is it their stregth?
It's irritating that he's seemingly going to have to win his way into the first team again this season. I'm not sure what more he could possibly be expected to have done with his opportunities.
And look at the facts:
- The majority of his dribbles, assists and goals last season came from moves where he started in a wide position, and most of his development came as a winger.
- Mkhitaryan is just as capable of playing #10 as wide AM.
- Ibrahimovic is best played with fast wide forwards on either side.
- Pogba fills any last holes that Rooney's absence might arguably have been said to create, chiefly the long passing and, if we're honest, the commercial juggernaut role.
Surely the formation is an absolute slam dunk:
And look at the facts:
- The majority of his dribbles, assists and goals last season came from moves where he started in a wide position, and most of his development came as a winger.
- Mkhitaryan is just as capable of playing #10 as wide AM.
- Ibrahimovic is best played with fast wide forwards on either side.
- Pogba fills any last holes that Rooney's absence might arguably have been said to create, chiefly the long passing and, if we're honest, the commercial juggernaut role.
Surely the formation is an absolute slam dunk:
DM Pogba
Miki
Rashford Ibra Martial
Miki
Rashford Ibra Martial
I feel the same way. I know he's young but he's already a very consistant performer and, when played, one of our most dangerous players so I see no reason as to why he can't already be a starter for us. Especially when Rooney's getting chance after chance.
It's like with Martial now; he's getting a consistant run of games despite being in some bad form because, when on form, he's one of, if not, our most dangerous player. I think Rashford deserves that type of treatment, too. He hasn't hit a patch of bad form for us yet, and we really need to hit the ground running this season.
I'm confident we're better as a team with him than without him, I hope Mou realises this soon and drops Rooney. It's people like him we should be shoehorning into the team, not past its
Pretty much all of his goals came from being central and that area will be too congested this season. Rashford is a good little player, but he wouldn't be starting for any other big team, if he is good enough he gets back in the team, hopefully by the end of the season we will have enough faith in him to replace zlatan next season.
Isn't Pogba kinda wasted in the "double pivot"? He got slaughtered playing that kind of role with France in the Euros and as a world record signing we can't afford the same thing to happen with United
Pogba wasn't given the freedom to go join the attack. He was told to sit back and make a 2 infront of the defence, a bit like LVG did with our 4-2-3-1. I am sure Jose will tell him to start there, but in possession to get forward and join the attack like Scholes and Keane used too.
I didn't intend it to be a double pivot, just couldn't be bothered to tinker with the formatting to make that clear. The DM is the pivot, Pogba is in front of him in the central role, and Miki is a bit further ahead of him in a pure attacking role.
Personally I don't mind him not starting league games. He can be used as an impact sub with his explosiveness and he will also have plenty of Europa League/Cup games to start - I doubt Ibra will start many cup games and as it stands Rashford is our 2nd striker, with Martial shifted on the left.
I don't see a problem with his dribbling. Could be better, but at this age, nothing to worry about too much. His instincts - knowing what to do and when to do it and, more importantly, not to do it - is amazing for an attacking player his age. You won't see him go 'round the goal keeper with the ball because he'll choose the easier way to do it. Very German.
Agree. The most important thing for me is that the ability to go past players is clearly there. The technique is there and many more qualities. It all comes down to if he can improve his consistency in pulling it all off in games. He certainly seems to have the right attitude which makes it more likely that he will eventually get there.
Zlatan Ibrahimovic: I see Rashford as a huge talent, I have been here two weeks and I also saw him last season. I get to see him live every day now and he is the future of England. He just needs to keep working hard, keep focusing and everything will come by itself.
Call me a cynic but I am expecting a massive second season slump from him. This is based on nothing but my gut feeling. I am not too concerned as we have many other options.
I hope I am totally wrong though! Nothing like seeing the Rash score
I hope I am totally wrong though! Nothing like seeing the Rash score
RASHFORD REVEALS LEARNINGS FROM WAYNE AND ZLATAN
Marcus Rashford says in Wayne Rooney and Zlatan Ibrahimovic, he has two of the best strikers around to learn from as he prepares for his second season as a senior Manchester United player.
The teenager famously burst onto the scene last term and has not looked back since two debut goals, a further brace on his Premier League bow, an FA Cup winners’ medal and a place in England’s Euro 2016 squad.
Rashford is champing at the bit for the new campaign and looking to build on a memorable first few months for the Reds. His manager Jose Mourinho has described Ibrahimovic’s arrival as being “a gift” for a player such as Rashford in terms of the influence the Sweden striker can have on the youngsters, and the 18-year-old agrees.
“It’s amazing to have both of them to learn from. You’ve also got someone like Michael [Carrick] too. You pick up bits from each of their games and put them into your own," he explained in an interview with MUTV, which you can see in full on Match Day Live on Sunday at 12:30 BST.
“They’ve won so many trophies. I think Zlatan’s won 30 trophies and Wayne and Michael are two of the most decorated players in football so there is a lot to learn from them. And not only for me, but the other young players who are coming through.
“Everything that we’re going through and will go through in the next few years, they’ve been there and done it and can tell us all about it. So it’s a real benefit for us to have them.”
Ibrahimovic is one of four new arrivals at the club this summer with the most high-profile signing being a fellow Academy graduate of Rashford’s, Paul Pogba. And the youngster is delighted to have him back.
“He’s a midfielder that can do everything," he insisted. "He can go forward, he can sit, he can score goals and create goals and he can defend – he’s an all-round player that would benefit any team. We’re just lucky to have him.
“Since all the new players have come in, the team spirit has just gone up and up and up,” he added. “Everyone is ready for the new season. We’ve all got the same mentality, the same mindset, the same goals – we all want to win. It’s exciting for everyone.”
Tune in to Match Day Live on MUTV at 12:30 BST on Sunday to see the interview with Marcus, plus chats with Jose Mourinho, David De Gea and Michael Carrick.
http://www.manutd.com/en/News-And-F...e-of-wayne-rooney-and-zlatan-ibrahimovic.aspx
Marcus Rashford says in Wayne Rooney and Zlatan Ibrahimovic, he has two of the best strikers around to learn from as he prepares for his second season as a senior Manchester United player.
The teenager famously burst onto the scene last term and has not looked back since two debut goals, a further brace on his Premier League bow, an FA Cup winners’ medal and a place in England’s Euro 2016 squad.
Rashford is champing at the bit for the new campaign and looking to build on a memorable first few months for the Reds. His manager Jose Mourinho has described Ibrahimovic’s arrival as being “a gift” for a player such as Rashford in terms of the influence the Sweden striker can have on the youngsters, and the 18-year-old agrees.
“It’s amazing to have both of them to learn from. You’ve also got someone like Michael [Carrick] too. You pick up bits from each of their games and put them into your own," he explained in an interview with MUTV, which you can see in full on Match Day Live on Sunday at 12:30 BST.
“They’ve won so many trophies. I think Zlatan’s won 30 trophies and Wayne and Michael are two of the most decorated players in football so there is a lot to learn from them. And not only for me, but the other young players who are coming through.
“Everything that we’re going through and will go through in the next few years, they’ve been there and done it and can tell us all about it. So it’s a real benefit for us to have them.”
Ibrahimovic is one of four new arrivals at the club this summer with the most high-profile signing being a fellow Academy graduate of Rashford’s, Paul Pogba. And the youngster is delighted to have him back.
“He’s a midfielder that can do everything," he insisted. "He can go forward, he can sit, he can score goals and create goals and he can defend – he’s an all-round player that would benefit any team. We’re just lucky to have him.
“Since all the new players have come in, the team spirit has just gone up and up and up,” he added. “Everyone is ready for the new season. We’ve all got the same mentality, the same mindset, the same goals – we all want to win. It’s exciting for everyone.”
Tune in to Match Day Live on MUTV at 12:30 BST on Sunday to see the interview with Marcus, plus chats with Jose Mourinho, David De Gea and Michael Carrick.
http://www.manutd.com/en/News-And-F...e-of-wayne-rooney-and-zlatan-ibrahimovic.aspx
He reveals nothing, despite the title. Usual generic interview.
JM: “He’s very good but he is still a young boy with a lot to learn. At his age he can have ups and downs, and you have to be ready to support him if that is the case. Potentially he’s a very good player indeed and he is already a good professional. The way he works and the way he lives, it is all good.
“Whether he remains in the England squad is up to Big Sam [Allardyce] now, it is not my decision, but I can say he is one of my important players and he will play a lot this season. After that Sam will make up his own mind.”
“Whether he remains in the England squad is up to Big Sam [Allardyce] now, it is not my decision, but I can say he is one of my important players and he will play a lot this season. After that Sam will make up his own mind.”
All through that half I found myself thinking what our attack really needed was Rashford. We need an injection of pace, we need some directness, we need someone who can make something happen out of nothing. Rooney and Mata are like statues at times.
you can add ibrahimovic to that, and with 3 out of our main 4 forwards been static its going to make us easy to defend against.
my own thinking about Rashford is he needs to be loaned out, he just isnt going to get regular enough starts to progress, or even stop him regressing this season.
so lets think long term, their are a lot of clubs who need a striker, lets loan the kid out to the right club, and maybe buy back up striker.
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If he gets regular starts in the Europa and cups I will be happy. He's 19 this season, shouldn't start every game imo
I really like Rashford, but personally I don't agree with him being shafted out wide so he can play. Don't get me wrong he's good there as well but he's best used up front as a striker. I wouldn't mind seeing him and Ibra both up front, especially seeing as we have Pogba who can run a midfield, put someone who sits a bit deeper next to him and we'd be fine.
I can't say I have honestly seen him display "raw" dribbling at any stage in the season. Nothing I would say I haven't seen elite players do in terms of losing control or anything. Anything specific? Any particular games or moments that stand out for you in that respect?
Rashford, Pogba, Lingard, Shaw, Martial, TFM and Bailly are a very agile and young core to build on
People said this years ago about Fabio, Rafael, Jones, Anderson, Cleverley, Welbeck etc. and look at how that turned out.
Pogba, Shaw and Martial are the only near-guarantees on your list as they're already established.
if 2 out of the other 4 you mentioned become long term regulars, we'll be doing very well.
Do you understand why we bought Ibrahimovic? So Rashford doesn't get burned out and isn't put under heavy pressure to perform in games, loaning him out will again put him under pressure to perform in games and will do no good to him, Ibrahimovic is helping Rashford just by training with him, do you think he would really benefit from a loan? A loan where he would play with mediocre players at best and train with them? Sure but then you can count him off for performing with us.
Ibrahimovic is a stopgap until Rashford is capable both mentally and physically to play in this team.
Buy another back up striker? You do realise if we somehow loaned out Rashford we would still have Martial to replace Ibrahimovic up front. You're not playing Football Manager mate.
He's a 'kid' and shouldn't have been close to the first team last year - the fact he played so many games showed how thin Van Gaal let the squad become as, much as Rashford's ability.
Not a reflection of how he's performed though - possibly our 3rd best player last year and looked bright for England when he played. I know many will say "if you're good enough, you're old enough" but IMO, playing around 20 games in all competitions this year will be a good amount for his development. Despite the inevitable "Mourinho has stunted his development" pieces we'll be reading, history is full of kids with bright starts that fade/develop early injuries, so I think it's best for him that he's not first choice and is given the right amount of rest and motivation to improve because if we get it right, the sky's the limit.
Not a reflection of how he's performed though - possibly our 3rd best player last year and looked bright for England when he played. I know many will say "if you're good enough, you're old enough" but IMO, playing around 20 games in all competitions this year will be a good amount for his development. Despite the inevitable "Mourinho has stunted his development" pieces we'll be reading, history is full of kids with bright starts that fade/develop early injuries, so I think it's best for him that he's not first choice and is given the right amount of rest and motivation to improve because if we get it right, the sky's the limit.
He has the perfect role for his age right now. Its not good for an 18 year old to be thrown into the starting 11 every single game and have all the burden on his shoulders. With zlatan here, he can rotate in for him and be a sub which is exactly what you would dxpect from an 18 year old at United. He was never going to be first choice nor should he be, as that could potentially harm his development going forward.
I think being played out wide would only aid in their development I think. As he is a dynamic forward type of player, similar to players like Benzema, Lacazette, etc he would benefit from the minutes in the pitch and having strong tall CF like Ibra to do the CB bullying especially against the likes of Huth. In games where the CB does not rely too much on their size and strength, like group games in UEL, he might have a chance at leading the line.
Players like I mentioned earlier like Benzema and Lacazette all started playing as winger. I don't think it did them any harm.
I think playing him as a nine with Zlatan dropping off would be immense particularly in away games where they will be spaces in behind most teams for Rashford to exploit.
Despite his age I would have him in the starting eleven most weeks, he is very good right now his age for me is irrelevant.
Despite his age I would have him in the starting eleven most weeks, he is very good right now his age for me is irrelevant.
His time will come. Our senior forwards right now are a soon to be 35 year old, a pub player and an exciting prospect who'll probably make the wings his home for the future.
Eto'o started playing regularly once he hit 20.
This season it isn't such a big deal if he plays back up.. but he still needs to be showing signs he's ready to become a starter so that United avoid buying another striker in next few years.
My worry is that if he doesn't manage to break into the team, the global commercial juggernaut that we are.. we will bring in a big striker in a couple of years and Rahsford's progress would have stagnated. Right now, no worries. Perfect situation for him.
This season it isn't such a big deal if he plays back up.. but he still needs to be showing signs he's ready to become a starter so that United avoid buying another striker in next few years.
My worry is that if he doesn't manage to break into the team, the global commercial juggernaut that we are.. we will bring in a big striker in a couple of years and Rahsford's progress would have stagnated. Right now, no worries. Perfect situation for him.
yes i do think it would benefit Rashford to go on loan.
players get better by playing, i look at this team and all i see is Rashford getting cameo's as a sub every few games in a variety of positions, very few experienced players manage to keep up a high level of performance in those circumstances, so expecting young player to do that is unrealistic and he certinly isn't going to improve to a level where he is more "capable both mentally and physically to play in this team" then he is now in those circumstances.
but maybe your right that Rashford would have got burned with pressure of going into the season as been the main striker for a team aiming to win the premier league, though i would still rather of seen us sign a player Rashford could compete with, because everyone knows that Ibrahimovic is gonna play, weather his form dips or not Ibrahimovic will play, after a while that is going to knock a kids confidence, no matter how good an attitude he has.
As for it been a stop gap, with all the talk of Ibrahimovic been here next season, that isnt a stop gap.
So we need to find Rashford regular minutes, and if we could find the right loan club, where their wuldn't be too much pressure on him where he would start and had the right manager to work with, none of which im saying would be easy, but it is worth a try becuase he is not going to progress this season with the amount of football he is going to get.
As for Martial been our back up striker if we did loan out Rashford, then who replaces Martial as our left winger? Memphis hasn't shown he is anywhere near up to the standard, and the only other option is young, and while i think Young is an ok squad player i don't think he should be a regular starter, plus we have to take into account that Martial has been playing mainly on the wing for a year it will probably take him time to adapt to playing up front again. we could use Rooney, but he hasn't scored consistently in a few years, so yes i think if we loaned Rashford we would need to bring in a back up striker.
Also i don't play football manager or fifa, and i don't think every time you suggest we might need to make 1 signing it means you think of the game like football manager
Being worried is a valid point in this case as Mourinho will always pursue players of Zlatan's magnitude but the thing about Rashford is that he's talented enough to play absolutely everywhere in attacking lineup. He'll easily challenge both Mikhi and Martial on the wings if he'll want to and chances are, he will win the inside rivalry.
I don't get this post. Who cares about what happened to the Rafael group? What's done is done.
Let the young ones have a chance to write their own story. They don't have to flop like the former group of guys mentioned (albeit they did win a PL)
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