Well if he's referring to the always offended by pretty much anything brigade, then yes.
Ah yiss. Woke snowflakes getting offended by racism. Nigel's totally right.
Well if he's referring to the always offended by pretty much anything brigade, then yes.
Well I guess it's his choice and forcing him to do it kind of ruins the message really.
That said, if I was a player (which I'm not) and was white (which I am) I personally would keep taking the knee as long as my non-white teammates still thought it was having a good impact. I don't feel qualified to make that choice.
Does he?
But of course.Did you feel the same when Zaha decided to not take the knee?
Yeah that’s what the standard response from such a person should be.Well I guess it's his choice and forcing him to do it kind of ruins the message really.
That said, if I was a player (which I'm not) and was white (which I am) I personally would keep taking the knee as long as my non-white teammates still thought it was having a good impact. I don't feel qualified to make that choice.
Agreed to be honest. How long do we want to demand players to do this? 5 years? 10 years? Even a couple of non-white footballers themselves don't really see the value anymore.
I think it's more powerful to expose racist messages like a couple of footballers have done. Show these messages on social media, and have the cops deal with it.
If I was his spokesman or PR man we could navigate around it. I mean racial injustice is not the only issue in society. He could say he is "standing for the LGBTQ community or "standing up against homophobia." Maybe "Standing for Palestine" or something like thatHis first and only job is to be a footballer. Football is a team sport. Sometimes you just do something for the team even if you don’t personally want to do it.
There are black players in that dressing room and regardless of what he might think, his teammates won’t appreciate him not taking the knee. Talk about unnecessary negative limelight during a period where the team is shining for all the right reasons.
Zaha is someone who is directly effected by racism, he also ran his decision by his teammates. Alonso is not, nor did he tell his teammates. It’s different.Surprised by the reactions in here. Equating his choice to racism makes the whole thing far too binary. His choice is the same as Zahas and if players do or don't want to take the knee after 18 months of doing so then that's their right, as it is the right of a player to kneel.
There's no strength in half hearted symbolism from players who don't agree with the gesture. For example, should he kneel next week what does it demonstrate but a mam cowed into doing it
Different how? He's white and chooses not to kneel and gets labelled a racist. Surely he's entitled to make his own decision about whether to kneel or not without being judged?Zaha is someone who is directly effected by racism, he also ran his decision by his teammates. Alonso is not, nor did he tell his teammates. It’s different.
Damn that pesky brigade that find racism offensive, ruining everything for everyone.Well if he's referring to the always offended by pretty much anything brigade, then yes.
This is the most sensible approach yet and I'm glad it got a like. I'm tired of hearing white people opine about racism and what everyone should and shouldn't do about it.That said, if I was a player (which I'm not) and was white (which I am) I personally would keep taking the knee as long as my non-white teammates still thought it was having a good impact. I don't feel qualified to make that choice.
He's human garbage
He is racist. He is on par with people who refuse to take the vaccine.
Who the feck does Marcus Alonso think he is, isn’t this a Black Lives Matter movement. Shouldn’t the black collective be deciding what steps to take next, I wonder if he’s ever been racially abused.
It wouldn’t surprise me if he attends the Spain games behind a monkey suit.
I know, but of all the words he could have chosen ('common sense', 'the common people', whatever), he went with 'decency' and I really don't get that one.
Zaha is someone who is directly effected by racism, he also ran his decision by his teammates. Alonso is not, nor did he tell his teammates. It’s different.
he can certainly make his own decision about whether to make a universally acceoted gesture against racism or not, but fir sure he will be judged for it and rightly so.Different how? He's white and chooses not to kneel and gets labelled a racist. Surely he's entitled to make his own decision about whether to kneel or not without being judged?
He is racist. He is on par with people who refuse to take the vaccine.
Then they pissed off the “woke” and the “anti-woke” crowd at the same time. I don’t think he would do that. Maybe he will donate some money to charity as that seems the most non-controversial rich person thing to do to buy some goodwill. But at least the first few games the limelight will be on him and his relationship with key players like Lukaku and Kante.If I was his spokesman or PR man we could navigate around it. I mean racial injustice is not the only issue in society. He could say he is "standing for the LGBTQ community or "standing up against homophobia." Maybe "Standing for Palestine" or something like that
Who the feck does Marcus Alonso think he is, isn’t this a Black Lives Matter movement. Shouldn’t the black collective be deciding what steps to take next, I wonder if he’s ever been racially abused.
It wouldn’t surprise me if he attends the Spain games behind a monkey suit.
Out of curiosity what is the end game with the whole taking the knee thing? I mean will it just become a permanent thing before all matches until the end of time? Obviously racism exists and should be combated but surely people comprehend that it's impossible to wipe out.
Well, I’d like to think we can eradicate monkey chants in UK football stadiums. Ambitious but not beyond comprehension.
I’m pleased that Alonso’s view of ‘strength’ seems to be pointing towards a badge. He comes across as a prize plonker.
So has he elaborated on his decision?
My point is what happens? You go two months without racism then an incident happens and it's brought back? It's just so poorly planned without any clear goal. Is it treated like terrorism levels with like "threat level red: take the knee"?
It's a gesture with a great meaning behind it but it has no way to actually get anything done. If they make it a permanent thing just as a reminder or something, cool makes sense. But it just feels like something you can't quantify.
The purpose is awareness. Something like racism isn't gonna be eradicated overnight, so if that is your goal then there isn't a single plan that can achieve that. The first step to every problem is awareness, and even if 5-10 fans out of those watching every game come to know just how bad making a racist comment or gesture - even if not meant in a racist manner - is and the fact that every player is willing to display their reaction to everyone watching, it is good enough and making a difference.My point is what happens? You go two months without racism then an incident happens and it's brought back? It's just so poorly planned without any clear goal. Is it treated like terrorism levels with like "threat level red: take the knee"?
It's a gesture with a great meaning behind it but it has no way to actually get anything done. If they make it a permanent thing just as a reminder or something, cool makes sense. But it just feels like something you can't quantify.
After the intense Phil Jones "debates", this seems the place to be for temper tantrums.There are some real overreactions going on here
Always the same angry suspects with their righteous indignation. I wonder if the energy spent venting on here was spent on actually fighting racism them they might feel a tad more fulfilledAfter the intense Phil Jones "debates", this seems the place to be for temper tantrums.
Plus he may have actually discussed this with his teammates?This really makes the headlines? I shouldn't be surprised I guess... He can do whatever he wants, taking a knee or not taking a knee doesn't make him any more racist than anyone else. So much overreaction as always.