Your statement above is EXACTLY why I'm accusing you of pretending! Those gentlemen and women of the time faced actual life threatening situations for their fifth against racism. Not once did the EVER to turn to gimmicks to push forward their fight. Having the majority of people on their side or not has zero to do with it. The did nothing that can equated to taking the knee.
You're accusing me of pretending and it's clear you're not actually understanding the point i'm making. You seem to be fixated on the element of danger as your reasoning, without taking into consideration the changes in time & perspectives, media coverage, and the fact that they were fighting against such a tide was because all of their efforts were criticised and reduced to things such as gimmicks. We look back on their bravery and courage now because we have the benefit of hindsight and can see what good they were actually intending to do - but if you read any of MLK's letters from prison, Malcolm X's books, listened to Fred Hamptons speeches etc - you'll see that their efforts weren't valued at the time of their life.
In political views that drastically in a space of 12 months? In my view hell no.
Once again - isn't that the point of education? If you're saying that someone can't change their political stance on an issue such as racial equality in the space of 12 months, how are you getting upset that taking the knee hasn't made any difference in a similar length of time? According to you, it was never going to be possible.
I'm yet to see anything remotely educational that Kaprenick's stunt brought about. It has proven as divisive as they come and a side distraction to real solutions to the issue.
Then you haven't paid attention to anything his protest his done, and are speaking from a place of ignorance. It's easy to look up and research.
You most certainly are not. The proof is in you trying to equate my disdain for Kapernick with disdain for all others who are using their platforms for the fight
You're the one who brought up Kaepernick all on your own, and you're the one who seemingly has your own rules as to who's protest is valid & who's is not.
I'm sorry it isn't a matter of opinion. It was hard for the likes of Tommie Smith. Now with modern technology, better treatment before the law a compared to the past and the reach of things like social media, let alone the internet. if say a Sterling wants to be heard he will be and there is not a thing anyone will be able to do about it. At worst they can just rant and rave. Back in the day they'd first shut you down, then end your career and even at worst disappear you. I'm sick and tired of people pretending that its 'o so hard' for the black celebs of today with the platforms they have access to to be heard.
Was it hard for Sterling to tell the world how he felt about it? It seems you are conflating being mistreated with it being heard to vocalize to the world the fact you are being treated that way.
Just because it isn't as hard as it is now for black athletes doesn't mean it's easy still. The point of the civil rights movements was to progress things further - so progress has been made, but things still aren't in a good enough place are they? So it's logical for people to still express themselves when they see fit.
& Sterling made it clear that it was hard for him and that's why he didn't say anything for years until it all got too much, again if you did the research on this, you'd see that.
Be serious please. The black gloved salute was not showing any disrespect towards the American flag. Not to forget to mention that a raised closed fist is a symbol for fighting oppression that is understood globally. It in fact was simply reminding people that blacks too were part and parcel of the country and deserved acknowledgment and respect UNDER that flag. Its ONLY detractors were actual racists and the racist establishments of the times. Now try telling us how its only racists who have an issue with what Kapernick did and how to highlight the same issue
Neither was the kneel - Kaepernick talked with veterans and asked their opinions on whether kneeling was disrespectful to the american flag - those veterans told him it wasn't and he chose that as a means for protest - it was only the media who decided to say it was.
Also the fist was reported by media as a disrespect to the American anthem at the time, again, it's only now with hindsight that its seen and reported differently.
I don't just think it. I know it can be done. What Rashford did with the food issue is exhibit A. What he fought for will cause a permanent cultural shift long term.
And yet you can't see what the point is of implementing long term antiracism protests before every football match? What's the alternative? Do nothing and hope that racism in football magically disappeared? That worked well in the past didn't it.
No. You made up your mind about me all own your own. Nothing I said helped you. You have preconceived ideas about the positions anyone who takes issue with things like taking the knee has and it has repeatedly come out in your arguments
Nothing you said helped me because the things you're saying are not only incorrect but misinformed - i'm happy to have a debate with anyone who has a reason for not wanting to see people take the knee.
But you've already made it clear that in your mind someone can't change their political views within 12 months (Kaepernick) while also decrying that taking the knee hasn't led to any change in the last 12 months either. You've also got conflated ideas about what political protests looked like in the past and how they were reported then vs how they are written about now with the benefit of hindsight. MLK's Letter from a Birmingham Jail seems pretty apt to this exact situation - yet, let you tell it his march was received positively and everybody thought what he was doing was worthwhile. It wasn't.
