I do not understand why people say Sabitzer is a good replacmenet for mctominay when he does not play the same position as him, they are very different players. Hes more backup for Bruno than anything.
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They just like the idea and personality of him.
I’m still confused to why so many people are dead cert on him staying considering:
- Not very much game time
- Dominated by the opposition in EVER game he’s started be that Leeds to Fulham
- No idea of what his preferred position is. He’s played 6 and 8 but his best attributes as you’ve stayed implies he’s a perfect backup to Bruno.
What’s Mctominays best position? Think that’s debatable in itself.
Sabitzer can play 6,8 or 10 (also full back I believe).
He seems a more rounded player better suited to a squad role.
Agree, Rabiot is the better player, ETH preference and cheaper. Sabitzer was only brought in for a specific need when Eriksen got injured, but would not have been on the radar if not for that emergency.
For the right money, Rabiot would have been signed permanently in the summer. I could even imagine that given the opportunity, ETH would have signed all four of Casemiro, Eriksen, FDJ and Rabiot. That would have given fantastic options and depth in midfield, which is a key area for ETH's style. What odds those four being our midfield options for next season?
I'm not even sure ETH knows to be honest......in fact I'm not even sure if McTominay knows himself judging by his positioning and movement.
It could be a possibility. Rabiot still hasn’t signed a contract and I’m sure we are a lot more attractive than we might of seemed last summer.
FDJ is pretty much anybodies guess. Barca might really be in a position where they have to sell but we are still unsure whether he wants to leave. I’m sure if he did that owed money situation could have been sorted easily.
Been a good loan level signing but not worth spending money on permanently.
Sabitzer is purely an attacking player. He struggles in the other positions.
Does Mctominay play better in other positions though?
I would say there is no difference.
Gosh no.
This suggests he was given an initial chance.
Surely Rabiot on a free would be miles more suitable than Sabitzer. Much more suited to the 8 role, more physical and basically a better player. Even Tielemans on a free would be better. No need to go for Sabitzer just because he's here already.
Not even remotely true. Might as well have said the earth is flat. I don't know why people can't stick to realistic criticism and go so overboard, that their whole argument ends up in the bin.
ETH clearly went for Sabitzer for a specific reason, because he rates him and thought he could make a difference. We also have to take into consideration what a players attitude and work ethic is like and whether that is a fit into the ethos of what ETH is building here.
you're having a laugh
No I think Tielemans is a better player than Sabitzer. Not that I think he's brilliant by the way, and he's had a poor season. But he's been good in previous seasons, and he's more suited to the 8 role. And will be cheaper, and younger.
Well instead of saying yes and no. Explain the discrepancy with what I’ve said.
Against Leeds he failed to command the midfield being the single 6. It was a boxing match, but yes it was his first game and it was Leeds, these games tend to be open.
Away at Leeds we again lacked control until Wout changed to the 10.
Leicester first half same as Leeds
Fulham I literally forgot he was playing.. did a lot of running but he seems to operate like Fred where he just leaves his starting position vacant with no care of who’s protecting him.
But yes I’m open to the positive eye view.
Bro we had no money and had to buy loanes. You can’t honestly say the guys in January where high on our list or ‘permanent’ signings for the future.
They should all be seen as the best of a limited bunch and treated that way with regards on what future direction we decide to take. Not oh they are better than McTominay let’s go with it.
Dont know where the idea he should be Bruno's backup comes from. He's more a number 8.
Buddy, our possession in our games against Leeds is 66% and 67% respectively. We out-possessed them and out-passed them by a ratio of more than 2-to-1....
We played the same midfield in both games, which was Sabitzer, Fred and Bruno. Out of the 3, Sabitzer had the most passes in both games, a high pass success rate (82% was his lowest) and really good defensive stats too. The only thing the Leeds midfield was doing, was running around fouling people and misplacing passes.
If you had said that he didn't offer as much control as you'd have wanted, that would perhaps merit a discussion. I would have said it was his first two games for us. I would have pointed out that he's best as an #8 or #10 and #6 is not his natural position, so he won't offer as much control as Casemiro. But you didn't say that. You said he got dominated. That is objectively an opinion so out of touch with reality, I throw straight in the bin. Sorry.
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I remember him from European games as dangerous going forward (with a shot on him) - and at a level we haven't seen yet - rather than solid when defending. He was dangerous when we played and lost away in Leipzig (with an awful defensive display). He won't solve the problem of cover for Casemiro (Palhinha please, btw, for that job).
Buddy, our possession in our games against Leeds is 66% and 67% respectively. We out-possessed them and out-passed them by a ratio of more than 2-to-1....
We played the same midfield in both games, which was Sabitzer, Fred and Bruno. Out of the 3, Sabitzer had the most passes in both games, a high pass success rate (82% was his lowest) and really good defensive stats too. The only thing the Leeds midfield was doing, was running around fouling people and misplacing passes.
If you had said that he didn't offer as much control as you'd have wanted, that would perhaps merit a discussion. I would have said it was our first two games for us. I would have pointed out that he's best as an #8 or #10 and #6 is not his natural position, so he won't offer as much control as Casemiro. But you didn't say that. You said he got dominated. That is objectively an opinion so out of touch with reality, I throw straight in the bin. Sorry.
Literally my third sentence to what you replied to. So maybe read my response again.
I’m aware of what seems to be his best position and key attributes. The problem is it’s not what we are looking for in the long run.
If Fred leaves and we don’t have the funds to provide an alternative for Bruno then yes get him in.
Even then Bruno’s engine means he never gets dropped so what’s the use of having him.
Maybe you read what you typed in the first place that prompted my first response?
He isn't a #6.
He has played pretty much everywhere in his career, but DM is way WAY down that list. He has played striker more than DM
Out of the 11 games as DM, 3 were this year for us. He had played there 8 games in his previous 10 years as a pro. He came to provide cover for Eriksen, not McTominay or Casemiro.
Actually in the first Leeds match it was Fred who was playing as the 6 while Sabitzer played further forward. It's probably why Fred had his worst match of the season. In the second match they swapped positions and the midfield was a fair bit better.
If ETH likes the player and the attitude and ability he has already proven at United, then he is likely to keep him is all we are saying here.
Not controlling the midfield and being dominated by every opposition is the same things.
All you’ve done is give me possession stats when your own eyes confirmed Leeds pressured us in the middle of the park.
Even if you use your last highlighted point of who he came in to replace… he hasn’t been the conductor between midfield and attack at the level we require.
He only plays him when he needs him I doubt he likes him that much.
Everyone one is crying out for him to be played with Casemiro. So let’s see if ETH plays him when they are all fit and available.
I very much doubt it.
He wasn't brought in to be Casemiro - more so to deepen the bench when Casemiro and others are unavailable. One thing Sabitzer has that other "free" transfer players don't is that ETH already knows what he's like at the club.
He was brought in for ‘quality’ cover which is fine.
The question is what are the requirements for next season. He doesn’t cover Casemiro as your stating and from what we have seen he doesn’t push Eriksen to the bench like a FDJ would.
So….. why is everyone pushing for this. Think about it if you had an objective to fill for improving our midfield next season.
He ticks nothing except increasing our choice selection.
He was brought in for depth. We already had McTominay and Fred, but ETH brought him in anyway because he wanted what Sabitzer brought to the table. At the end of the day if ETH wants him that should be enough to keep him.
Are we having two different conversation. I agree what he was brought in for. He didn’t believe he had anyone to cover Eriksen whilst also having a big fixture list incoming.
What does this have to do with our requirements for next season.
He doesn’t fill Casemiro roll neither does he fill McTominay’s who ETH see’s as Casemiro back up. So if the plan is to get a partner for Casemiro for the summer why are we buying this guy?
To replace McTominay? Well if that’s the case why can’t he replace McTominay now.
Not offering as much control as you'd want, is very different to not controlling at all (very open game) and vastly different to being dominated. I shouldn't have to explain that. Overall, we clearly dominated them. My eyes confirmed that Leeds ran around fouling us and doing very little else.
If you still think that we got dominated, then I'm sorry but we really got nothing to talk about here.
He doesn't have to fill anyone's role next year. He can simply be Sabitzer - the Bayern Munich player. We could still buy yet another midfielder to add more depth.
I think that is McTominay's natural position as well, we have just shoehorned him into a defensive midfield role, but he clearly doesn't excel at it.
He’d be great for the squad IMO. Gets stuck in, has good all round technique and can play in a variety of positions and chip in with a goal threat too. Is he a starter for the team we are hoping to be? Maybe not. Will he play 30+ games next year as a sub or rotation? Almost certainly.
Steve Clarke things he's best as CB. ETH think he's a DM. Many here thing he's best as an #8 and a few even thing he's better at #10. 26 years old and still a mystery.
I think it's irrelevant as I don't rate him as good enough for United in any of those positions. I'd take Sabitzer over McTominay at #8 and I wouldn't particularly want either of them as a #6.
EDIT: Back to Sabitzer, if Fred leaves then I'd take him as #8 option in his place. Otherwise there's no point. Then Eriksen can be backup to Bruno, a better #8 can claim the starting spot and a younger #6 can be signed to deputise for Case.
Personally I don’t think Sabitzer the Bayern Munich player is one we need at all. Instead of adding him and another for depth and ending up just more bodies without real class I’d look at two who can genuinely improve us and more improbably are quality passers who help in the buildup phase.
That's why I think we still need a midfielder in addition to him. We don't even need to keep Sabitzer (although I think ETH likes him). Personally, I'd go for a player like Paulinha.
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