After a really good showing in the cup final I was really hoping he’d build on that an impress again but he was a bit anonymous unfortunately. Played well in moments but didn’t really stamp his authority on the game like he did on Sunday.
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Yup. We have 2 specialists. Casemiro as DM, and Eriksen as a deep playmaker. The rest are all box to box guys. Which is fine, but those guys are never going to be regulars ultimately for ten hag beyond squad players.
I think it’s hard to judge him with mct by his side. Clever play with Bruno… needs a run of games with Bruno and Case
Yeah, that’s the thing. Look how much better Fred plays alongside Cas. It’s been hard to judge Sabitzer due to his midfield partners. I like the look of him. Strong in the tackle, creative and a good shot. But the poor lad keeps getting parachuted into crappy midfields. That’s a rough start to his United career.
Fred is the perfect example. Next to McT he is the Fred we have seen before Casemiro arrived. Now we even have people on here claiming that we dont miss Eriksen because Fred is just as good.
Its all down to Casemiro. Sabitzer has looked decent even when partnered with McT. I have no doubt he will shine for us when partnered with Casemiro.
I hope we get to see a midfield of Sabitzer, Fred and Casemiro at some point.
I would actually like to see that trio. Maybe push Bruno up on the right wing and Rashford on the left with Wout up. Or rash up top with Garnacho on left.
There are some games where that might make sense.
It would be interesting to see how Sabitzer would play in that set up. He’s so versatile it’s difficult to imagine him in a more focused role which might be more appropriate in a midfield 3 (as opposed to 2). Fred would be in the mosquito role, Case would be Case and Sabitzer would, I guess, be a roaming playmaker which, I think, is his best role.
Generally, though, I don’t really like three in MF where Fred is the third - it sacrifices Bruno at 10, leaves us with fewer attackers and, in that way, clips our wings a bit.
I actually thought he was pretty good yesterday! Should probably impose himself a bit more though
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He was decent first half, shame his strike didn't go in, was a good save.
He had moments but it was a changed side. Would like to see him in the first team lineup to see how he plays.
He had moments but it was a changed side. Would like to see him in the first team lineup to see how he plays.
Sabitzer is a highly versatile and talented player we’ve yet to see the best of but early signs of his abilities look favourable plus reports suggest he’s settling in quickly and would like to stay. Maybe pairing him with McT isn’t the best combination but solving the mid field conundrum isn’t as big a deal now that we have some generally WC players.
We should certainly offer him a contract in the summer, £18-25m would be a good investment.
We should certainly offer him a contract in the summer, £18-25m would be a good investment.
Thought he was very good in the first half, but I completely forgot about him in the second. Still, he has been a very good addition overall, and he is clearly a well-rounded midfielder. He does everything you would expect from a midfielder on at least a good level.
This is exactly right. I'm sure it was a tactic of ten Hag's for him and Bruno to sit super high, but at some points even Garnacho was dropping centrally to pick up the ball and get involved.
I wouldn't sign him. We need a De Jong type player and a young DM to learn from Casemiro. Are we going to sign 3 midfielders? Unlikely.
Was very poor last night, not been impressed by him at all. Really hope he is not bought permanently
I would like to see him in a few games next to Case before I judge him as Fred has been resurgent next to Case so I'd like to see what Sabitzer can do next to him, there's a player in there and definitely an upgrade on McT & VDB, sell those 2 and get him on a permanent might be a shrewd bit of business.
Unless he can taken off Bayern for a cheap fee I don't see where he would fit in as I think ten hag prefers fred over him and will likely want an upgrade on eriksen this summer so that will be 4 midfielders plus donny possibly and then you have mainoo, iqbal, hannibal and even diallo
He is a good, emergency back-up loan player. When all the players returned, including loanees, I am not sure where he would fit in. I think some players need to be sold first, like VdB, and Scott. I guess it all depends on how young players like Hannibal, Iqbal, Amad, and Kobbie react/have improved or not during summer.
I think people are underestimating how good it is to have a player who knows what to do on the ball. That and the lad can tackle.
Agreed. It's hard to get my head around the criticism of him here.
Very very harsh, don't agree at all. He has shown a lot for a player who has just joined.
Real question is. Would you buy him for a fee or just get Rabiot for free?
I think we all agree Rabiot is the better deal.
I think we all agree Rabiot is the better deal.
Sign the guy who wants a massive signing on fee and wage as a free agent, has a history of attitude issues and a mother/agent who is ready to confront the manager in the car park if he's used as a squad player?
Yeah, I can see no reason why the whole caf wouldn't agree with this.
The manager rates him higher. All the rest is irrelevant hear say.
My early thoughts is as decent/good as he has been, if the goal is for the mid to be Bruno, Case + Eriksen/de jong type. Then to me only 1 of Fred/Sabitzer should stay and id take Fred as it stands. Fred is a good wildcard in the squad to have. So instead of signing Sabitzer id prefer we aim for backups for Case, Bruno and a replacement for Eriksen. Which I don't think Sabitzer fills that role. Also to add I don't think Sabitzer fits any of those roles and instead is a competitor to Fred. Though I may be proved wrong.
I’d be happy with that, good player and a decent price. He’s the kind of quality you need as back up.
I like Sabitzer for his work rate and mobility - something we miss when Eriksen is playing (not to discredit the chance creation aspects of the game CE brings). Sabitzer so far reminds me of a mobile version of Donny van de Beek, good with playing short passes and keeping the ball moving, whilst covering more ground off the ball and doing more defensive work.
I noticed him improving game by game as well as he became more familiar with his teammates around him. I thought he did very well in the first leg at Nou Camp and can be a good complementary #8 alongside Casemiro. It's good to have him and Fred as two options because McTominay's ball control and decision making are not good enough for a central midfield player at our level.
I noticed him improving game by game as well as he became more familiar with his teammates around him. I thought he did very well in the first leg at Nou Camp and can be a good complementary #8 alongside Casemiro. It's good to have him and Fred as two options because McTominay's ball control and decision making are not good enough for a central midfield player at our level.
That's how I see it as well. Ultimately I don't think we will need both him and Fred, and as it stands I don't see any reason to take Sabitzer ahead of Fred. Obviously it's early days and I don't think he's started a game next to Casemiro yet, so once he gets that chance he might take it and push ahead in the pecking order. But for now, Fred's rightfully ahead.
Yeah I pretty much agree as well
For me its a no brainer to sign him if available at a decent price. Even after just a few games he's proving more consistent than Fred and McTom in his 1-2 month time period being here.
I do hope to see him get away more shots in future matches though. Neves for example always manages to get several efforts in during a match from the same position. He should be able to get on the scoresheet semi regularly with his shot technique.
I do hope to see him get away more shots in future matches though. Neves for example always manages to get several efforts in during a match from the same position. He should be able to get on the scoresheet semi regularly with his shot technique.
I think its too early to say regarding sabitzer even though I like him very much ....not sure rabiot is ideal....rabiot will be coming only if he is an automatic starter.....plus wages will be a problem as we found out....i think fred,sabitzer,casemiro, eriksen plus a new signing will be the midfield next season...ideally de Jong........i think mctominay will b sold and even fred might be sold if ten haag feels that mainoo is ready and doesn't need a loan....
I agree there which is why I think if we bolster smartly we get Rabiot on a free.
It might only be £20m but people need to remember we might only have £150m and not the maxed out £150m we had last season.
De Jong is a must and Eriksen can cover Bruno and Frenkie. Fred I agree is more useful with a player like Rabiot who can cover Casemiro and also play alongside him.
He's been a consistent 'meh' out of 10 every game. Fred has outperformed him during his time at Utd.
A player like De Jong is clearly the most needed, then if Utd still have c.£20mil left over to spend on another midfielder then it'd be much more sensible to use it on a young backup to Casemiro, than a soon 29 year-old who isn't as good as Fred (who Utd might as well just keep instead).
That sounds more like Sabitzer's agent pushing for something, rather than Utd actually considering it.
For a reasonable fee its worth considering. I’m a tad wary as he’s been decent / good but not brilliant this far and we’re in the honeymoon phase during this run. We should take a call once the dust settles.
Ten Hag clearly rates him, wouldn't be too much of a surprise to see Mctominay and Van De Beek offloaded in the summer and Sabitzer signed up, and maybe also De Jong finally, 2 out, 2 in.
He's been a 6.5 every game. Fred has been a 5 at times with a couple of big performances 7+ at others.
Most importantly theres more to come from Sabitzer. By now (and after his 2nd/3rd season) we know the story with Fred. He can have a Barcelona type performance and then the next week not look good enough for our opponent's team when they're in the bottom half of the table, and he's the 4th best performing CM out of the 4 on the pitch. You roll a dice with Fred, occasionally you get his max but most of the time its not what you needed. And not close. And anything under a 4 roll with Fred is usually targetted by our opponents pressing him. Sabitzer has the least lost balls after a first touch of our midfielders per 90 mins, so far. Whilst Fred has the most averaging 2.2 times per game that he will take a first touch and then lose the ball, Sabitzer averages 0.3 our safest number other than Varane at 0.1 and having more space to work with most of the time at CB.
He wasnt weak in this area against Barcelona. But in general thats his weak area.
Isn't a decent/good player for the depth exactly what we need? Especially if he is happy to play every other game and only costs £20m.
Wasn't that the same issue he had at Bayern of being a bit part player and struggling due to lack of playing time?
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