Dislike Woodward all you like but you'll find a lot of fans don't disagree with not setting the release clause precedent. First it's Haaland and then it's every player. The club just doesn't want players to have release clauses. Whether that's right or wrong is up to the individual.
Manchester United's Chief Scout and Head of Global Scouting have left the club
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I would say Ralph’s comments in recent months highlighting our problems are the driving force behind this, that and it is what he has built his reputation on.
We were already doing it and it was reported that Murtough was the one that tried to bring Rangnick. It's also worth mentioning that Murtough has done the same job for the academy.
I'm glad that, for once, it seems like we are clearing the decks for a radical restructure rather than what has gon on before... new manager signs onboard....brings in 1 or 2 new people as favoured people...old managers staff shuffled off into made up job title...rinse and repeat.
We seem to have lost the art of unearthing our own gems and adopted a "poaching" approach where we just copy the homework of more organised clubs and try and swoop in at the last moment.
That sort of approach only works if you are trying some sort of "Scorched earth" type policy like Abramovich did at the start of his reign. He hoovered up all the talent around, sometimes seemingly just to deny the opportunity for rivals to get them.
We seem to have lost the art of unearthing our own gems and adopted a "poaching" approach where we just copy the homework of more organised clubs and try and swoop in at the last moment.
That sort of approach only works if you are trying some sort of "Scorched earth" type policy like Abramovich did at the start of his reign. He hoovered up all the talent around, sometimes seemingly just to deny the opportunity for rivals to get them.
Did Rangnick ask them about Nkuku and they were not clued up 
Im joking
Im joking
Any word on who’s going to be taking their places?
Myself and @JPRouve are currently in talks about replacing them.
It would be a disaster, I have rating Krychowiak on my CV.
scouting on fifa would actually be better than what these have done.
A MLS Scout who is a good friend of Joel Glazer
There was a scouting team?
I swear they just went on championship manager, filtered on most expensive players who are keen to come here, and just went down the list.
I swear they just went on championship manager, filtered on most expensive players who are keen to come here, and just went down the list.
Odgen's article on that had Rob Dawson as the co-author. Rob Dawson is one of the more reliable United journalists and is certainly more reliable than Odgen, too. I wouldn't be surprised if Odgen got the info from Rob Dawson.
I was sacked and replaced by the more competent @mazhar13. My tweets were being sourced from all over the world, and I even brought Chilevision to the forum's attention..Hey your transfer tweet output alone puts most of our recruitment to shame
I’m really not sure how much influence “scouting” has had on player purchases at United, regardless of who one believes is making the decisions on who to buy: manager, club scouts, manager’s personal scouts, ex-players, director of football, tea lady, whoever.
I believe the influence of players’ agents and selling clubs who have players they are looking to offload is vastly underestimated. Whichever one of those is best at charming the man with the cheque book will be the one who succeeds in selling his wares to United.
With any luck the professionalising of stuff that seems under way post-Woodward will change this.
I believe the influence of players’ agents and selling clubs who have players they are looking to offload is vastly underestimated. Whichever one of those is best at charming the man with the cheque book will be the one who succeeds in selling his wares to United.
With any luck the professionalising of stuff that seems under way post-Woodward will change this.
Even during Sir Alex's latter years our recruitment was abysmal. Talk about long overdue.
Didn't Giggsy do the same with James? and Phelan with Maguire?
Surely, he has said in the past he was surprised we weren't scouting some young players in the German leagues.
Our recruitment has been a shambles a lot longer than a decade, 2005-2006 the last really successful group of four or five players brought in over 12 month (VDS, Park, Vidic, Evra, Carrick). Very few if any signings since then have made a really crucial and long-standing contribution to a successful United side.
So where did the scouts that found the likes of Nani, CR7, Chicharito, etc. etc. go? Did they all leave and were replaced by inferior scouts or did they just luck out back then?
Well I’d have thought that sacking two senior long-serving figures was a pretty good indication that a major shake-up is already in progress.
That’s a good question. We weren’t always hopeless.
Politics maybe? Turf wars between different factions? Demotivation due to interference from non-football people? Lack of synergy between scouts and manager? The last of these is a biggie; there’s no way that would have been the case under SAF.
In 5 years time we will all be proclaiming Murtough as one of the best things to ever happen to the club once all these changes play out and the club is back where it should be.
Blind faith talking.
Blind faith talking.
We didn't really scout Ronaldo did we? He just tore us a new one during a preseason friendly and Fergie decided to buy him there and then.
Best news I’ve heard all day. They haven’t a fecking clue and God knows when we last unearthed a gem.
Was it scouting though? Saf saw Cristiano destroying our whole team. Then, with Quieroz, Mendes around we had turned our eyes to the Portuguese market, and Nani-Anderson were the most exciting talents in the Portuguese league. Apart from Chicharito, Vidic, and Pogba, I can't think of any other exceptional talents being discovered by our scouts almost the last 20 years.
Even on De Gea (who was the established gk of Atletico) their analysis was way off. They believed that he will much better than Neuer.
Edit: Rossi was also a good one.
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Ah I remember the Chilevision saga.. right up there with concrete information and Ollys gifs back in the day
I believe he may have also been involved in the women's team as well.
It was definitely this. SAF even suggested the same - I think one of the players (possibly RVN) said they needed him after the game. I watched the game in Ibiza and remember thinking Wow watching Ronaldo rip through us. He looked brilliant….but I was off my tits at the time though.
Me too! Wasn't he really good for Sevilla?It would be a disaster, I have rating Krychowiak on my CV.
Somebody in this thread indicated UWS had hinted of this change months ago, so I guess these departures are not at the request of the incoming manager.
United actually scouted Ronaldo plenty of times but were forced to buy him ahead of schedule as other Clubs were ready to make the move for him .
They obviously both had a huge influence assembling this current shi££Ty side, particularly Lawlor, who managed to dig in deep for a number of years.
Interesting thing is Neville responded on Twitter that Lawler had been marginalised for years. Why would they do that?
I don't think it was intentional. He just refused to use emails and after the De Gea debacle, all the other offices got rid of their fax machines.
Yes, think that's true.