[TrustInOle]

Say what you want about Ole and the players, but when the pressure is starting to mount they can pull a decent run of form out the bag, I expect tonight to be the begining of said run and we sorely need it, another loss will not go down well.

 

[Strelok]

We haven’t done well under Ole in these must win games. Look at all the semis we lost, final last year, UCL last year. Sure we might have won one or two but the general consensus is we don’t do well. So a draw wouldn’t be the most surprising result.

I mean Ole himself said in his presser that this isn’t a must win game. If that’s the mentality that gets transferred to the players then we are in trouble.

If you believe in anything Ole said in a presser than tbh you're a bit too naive I must say. He's one of the most political managers I've seen. Of course he will play down the importance of the game so less pressure on the players but in a CL group, after losing the first one and the second one, a home game is not a must win game? Well none gonna buy that, we haven't qualified yet.

I understand the general pessimistic here after losing to Villa and it's true this squad has a tendency to feck up when it counts, so far. That's why Ronaldo said if we want to win big things the team has to be more matured, and I think he's spot on. But this squad, despite missing Shaw and Maguire has definitely more than enough to win this game. I've no doubt about that. We'll win this.

 

[cyberman]

Means we are on the front foot. Can’t see Pogba dropped so Sancho in for Mason I presume.
Ole must think he’s up against a parked bus tonight

 

[0le]

Van De Beek starts? Surely fake news?

 

[Desert Eagle]

5-1 United

 

[GledTheRed]

0-1

 

[ivaldo]

Yikes.

Since they beat us in the final, they've won just one game. If we throw friendlies in the mix, that's a 13 game winless streak.

 

[Siorac]

Statically means we're way more likely to break the duck

That's a statistical fallacy right there!

If you flip a coin 16 times and it's tails each and every time, the probability of the 17th coin flip being tails again is still 50%.

 

[0le]

Since they beat us in the final, they've won just one game. If we throw friendlies in the mix, that's a 13 game winless streak.

Good point and the original statistic does not take into account the level of opposition that they faced.

 

[Offside]

6-1

 

[Foxbatt]

I can't see us losing today.

 

[Tom Cato]

VDB starting?

Come on out of the woodworks, please let's see your praises

 

[Withnail]

That's a statistical fallacy right there!

If you flip a coin 16 times and it's tails each and every time, the probability of the 17th coin flip being tails again is still 50%.

That's technically correct according to statistical probability but it has to end sometime and we do like breaking a streak.

 

[Shane88]

Say what you want about Ole and the players, but when the pressure is starting to mount they can pull a decent run of form out the bag, I expect tonight to be the begining of said run and we sorely need it, another loss will not go down well.

Is that true really?

Last season's Champion's League group? A spectacular collapse.

Last season when murmurs of winning the league began? Sheffield United.

Last season's FA Cup semi? Limped out.

Last season's League Cup semi? Limped out.

Last season's Europa League final? Dismal.

When the true pressure, trophy pressure, is on, we fold.

 

[Withnail]

Since they beat us in the final, they've won just one game. If we throw friendlies in the mix, that's a 13 game winless streak.

Our game ended a draw as well so when did they last win in 90 mins?

Which streak will end?

 

[ivaldo]

Our game ended a draw as well so when did they last win in 90 mins?

Which streak will end?

Well, they did win their last game, but I'm not including it.

 

[Withnail]

Is that true really?

Last season's Champion's League group? A spectacular collapse.

Last season when murmurs of winning the league began? Sheffield United.

Last season's FA Cup semi? Limped out.

Last season's League Cup semi? Limped out.

Last season's Europa League final? Dismal.

When the true pressure, trophy pressure, is on, we fold.

Well there is no trophy pressure at the moment. He's talking about the pressure on Ole obviously, which tends to precipitate a good run.

 

[The Brown Bull]

Say what you want about Ole and the players, but when the pressure is starting to mount they can pull a decent run of form out the bag, I expect tonight to be the begining of said run and we sorely need it, another loss will not go down well.

This is a bit of a myth.Under Ole we have lost several semi finals and the final of the Europa.
Plus other big games like home to Pool last year, away to Leipzig, home to PSG when Ole was the only one in the ground who thought it a good idea to leave Fred on the field after he had a yellow.

 

[0le]

That's a statistical fallacy right there!

If you flip a coin 16 times and it's tails each and every time, the probability of the 17th coin flip being tails again is still 50%.

What you describe is called gamblers fallacy but it cannot be applied to this situation because the probabilities to determine the next outcome are now also influenced by the mental state of the players and team, which in turn is influenced by previous results.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gambler's_fallacy#Changing_probabilities

 

[Withnail]

Well, they did win their last game, but I'm not including it.

Oh that's alright then

 

[Lash]

That's a statistical fallacy right there!

If you flip a coin 16 times and it's tails each and every time, the probability of the 17th coin flip being tails again is still 50%.

For that singular flip, yes, but the probability that you'd flip tails 17 times in a row clearly isn't 50%!

 

[cyberman]

Is that true really?

Last season's Champion's League group? A spectacular collapse.

Last season when murmurs of winning the league began? Sheffield United.

Last season's FA Cup semi? Limped out.

Last season's League Cup semi? Limped out.

Last season's Europa League final? Dismal.

When the true pressure, trophy pressure, is on, we fold.

Going by this logic then Ole should never lose another game in a season or it isn’t considered winning when the pressure is on?
Are all cup rounds devoid of pressure before a semi final?
We lost the same amount of league games as City to be fair to Ole.

 

[Ali Dia]

Nice!

 

[Withnail]

 

[laughtersassassin]

Nice!

Personally would rather we just play Pogba in midfield.

 

[Swiss_Red89]

Almost as annoying as the tits that call you 'Player_Name FC' when you suggest one player would offer more than another.

Agree.

 

[Judas]

Another big game for VDB to do something.

 

[Anustart89]

0-0, 0-1 or 1-1, put your houses on it.

 

[Shane88]

He probably has about a dozen goals against every La Liga team, to be fair.

 

[Ajr]

I think I got the line up correct

 

[Ayoba]

Say what you want about Ole and the players, but when the pressure is starting to mount they can pull a decent run of form out the bag, I expect tonight to be the begining of said run and we sorely need it, another loss will not go down well.

Every single game that mattered, where there is potential to win something or to even progress to a final, he's bottled. It's why we're sat here, without a trophy during his entire tenure as our manager

 

[ivaldo]

Oh that's alright then

It was against Elche, who are awful, so it might as well not count.

 

[Samid]

 

[Siorac]

For that singular flip, yes, but the probability that you'd flip tails 17 times in a row clearly isn't 50%!

But the 16 flips already happened. You can say it was statistically unlikely but still, they happened. At that point the odds of the next flip are still 50-50.

 

[0le]

The leaked lineup was therefore wrong. Van De Beek on the bench.

Looks like a good team. We should beat this lot.

 

[MichaelRed]

Pogba McTominay midfield? Wonder how many we'll lose by.

 

[RDCR07]

Statically means we're way more likely to break the duck

You can say that again. Was it West Ham or Villa who hadn’t won at Old Trafford for like 17 years and they both did in the past week.

 

[Walters_19_MuFc]

The rumours were wrong and I got 11/11, which has been a rarity so far this season.

 

[Gandalf]

Missed by 1, I had Matic over McTominay.

 

[Damien]

Thread is quiet