Think we were in for KMJ, he just picked Bayern. We also potentially stuck with Maguire, Linderloff, Baily, Varane and Martinez. Can see why CB is not a priority till we get rid of someone. Both Varane and KMJ are to good to sit on the bench for high wages as aswell and ETH is very unlikely going to break up a defensive partnership one season in.
Manchester United vs Dortmund (Mon 31st July, 02:00 UK time)
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Think we were in for KMJ, he just picked Bayern. We also potentially stuck with Maguire, Linderloff, Baily, Varane and Martinez. Can see why CB is not a priority till we get rid of someone. Both Varane and KMJ are to good to sit on the bench for high wages as aswell and ETH is very unlikely going to break up a defensive partnership one season in.
You cannot argue with anti-Harrys. Their mind is already made up.
What do you mean mind made up?
I reckon that football fans have just watched him consistently for the last few years show in fine detail how he is not good enough to play for a decent footballing side at the top top level and how he is much more suited to back to the wall defending or the slower pace of international football.
If you hold the opinion that Harry Maguire has not been given enough of a chance at Utd and can still come good you would be one of a deluded and significant minority. He is just notgood enough.
You can argue alright, you just won't find any strong arguments that work in Harry's favour.
I don't disagree that Harry isn't good enough. What I am saying is that some people on here blame everything on him. They were individual mistakes by Williams, AWB and Lindelof. By the ame token people boo him because they are jumping on an anti-Harry bandwagon. I expect they are so frigging perfect themselves they feel they have the right to boo one of our own. Yes, Harry should be moved on but he is not the cause of every mistake made by the team
Forson started it. He kicked out at Ryerson for no reason.
Yet the calamitous errors in this match belonged to 3 other player not called Maguire
Only if we switch to 3 at the back and that's not gonna happen
That's exactly what I think happened
So if we had spent on KMJ, who's our CF because if the former had been bought we wouldn't have one
I seem to have slipped into an alternate reality where Evans still plays for us? How do I get back to my 616?
Minds are made up that he's to blame for everything that goes wrong, he was booed before he even touched the ball, he's being blamed in this very thread for mistakes made by other players, he may not be good enough for our team but the crap he gets from so-called fans is pathetic
Do we have any more friendlies before the season starts?
Two more, this Saturday and Sunday back-to-back.
Sounds good.
2 more, Lens on Saturday and Bilbao on Sunday
Awful mistake from Lindelof for Malen's 2nd. The camera cut to Williams a bit after and he's mouthing something about being blamed, when it was your fault or something. Granted Williams does play him onside, but his position was free on the left and an easy pass for Lindelof to make. Instead he played a pass into the middle, into Dortmund's press and lost the ball. So whoever was blaming Williams should have been blaming Lindelof first.
There’s an interview with ETH from before Dortmund match. How ETH replies is very interesting, I suppose it depends on how he understood the question. But we can only go by the how the question was worded.
The reporter emphasised the importance of Maguire knowing Man Utd and Premier League. But the question was padded with last year it was Ronaldo.
ETH replied. “In your mind maybe, for me it’s not about just one player “
Now this answer is open to interpretation. But when you look at the question and how it was worded “in your mind maybe” appears to be in regards to the reporter saying Maguire is very important and knows Man Utd and the premier league. Because the the question ask anything about “will it be difficult to have a player like this not starting” if it did then you could say “In your mind maybe” was referring to that.
In 1st half it did look alright. In 2nd half it didn't look good at all. And its pre season for our opponents as well.
Mate, wouldn't it be fun if somebody actually starts to count all goals, that are scored and I don't know, maybe we can make the team who scores more than the other a winner and have a couple of teams play each other thoughout a year. Maybe with points or something depending on if you win or lose? I really think, that could be something, people would like. Who should we pitch that idea?
In seriousness: we can't or shouldn't go for a new starting CB every freaking year. We brought in Varane, brought in Martinez. A CB wasn't a priority. Getting KMJ would have been great, for the price touted, he was a great deal. But you can only go for great deals if the necessary stuff is taken care off. And that meant Striker, Goalkeeper and Midfielder (even though I probably agree with you that Mount wouldn't have been on my mind)
Still relatively ugly but I've been told beauty is in the eye of the viewer.
Haven't noticed any development.
Harsh wording, don't know if I would agree to it but in general, he looked pretty similar to last year. Although I'd give him that he didn't standout in a negative way at all.
Are we seriously analyzing a preseason friendly where we started our second string?
Yes, people love to overcomplicate and overanalyze things.
It is absolutely right that EtH sets very high standards. After all it is his job that will be on the line.
True, the analysis is simple here though, the second string were much better than the first string
Really? Thought Bvb two goals in the first half came from Brandon Williams' and Lindelof's mistakes, and generally we should have won easily if not for preseason rustiness.
He has publicly stated that he has done enough not to have to prove himself at this level. His silly celebration was a clear indication of the ego the guy has. He has put in some truly awful performances and made some terrible mistakes. He is also being paid a huge salary so let’s not pretend he is taking shit on the chin without reward.
At any point, he could have taken the Antonio Valencia route - When Valencia was under pressure wearing the 7 shirt he handed it back, knuckled down and became a wonderful servant universally loved by Utd fans the world over. Maguire didn’t, he held on to the captaincy even taking the armband when coming on as a sub. He has cultivated the fans distaste. He is a grown ass man that could say - I’ll lower my wages and seek a move away to rebuild his rep. He isn’t - he is choosing to stay because either a) he incorrectly thinks he is good enough or b) he doesn’t want a lesser salary elsewhere. Either way, that does not give him a right to be supported. He is a footballer. If he plays well - the fans will support him. If he doesn’t then he can choose to leave or to stay and collect his paycheque. His choice.
So fans are going to lambaste him the first sign of a misplaced pass or poor positioning and I for one don’t see that as an issue.
Fans are lambasting him before he even does any of that, when he (or anyone else) makes a mistake that's fine, but IMO it's pathetic to scapegoat any player before they've started the game, and even worse to blame him for mistakes made by other players
Can you elaborate on that? Highlights can tell you so much, so far it seems like we stumble on chances instead of making a good team-effort move, but I have no idea about the buildup play.
He should never play next to Maguire, he's good enough as a backup option for now.
Yeah that's our nightmare partnership
Utterly bizarre we keep trying it. It's like the Lampard/Gerrard bullshit England kept doing for years. Just accept that those two players don't fit together and work on other combinations.
I think we are looking at developmental CB who is capable of stepping in for Varane with a view to taking over maybe next summer
Bbc have practically become the sun with their reporting these days
The way some of you cry at a little bit of competitive edge is absolutely pathetic. Literally can be compared to Arsenal fans.
If this guy cannot handle friendly scumbaggery from a German team, imagine him having to deal with Spanish sides in Europe.
I found this game I huge setback we just didn't look good at all and even worse with our best 11..
Just watched by the highlights and what I read here, I can tell that it was a pretty poor showing. I hope that ETH can get the team whipped into shape sooner rather than later. And that Højlund fulfill the huge expectations we have for him.
Arsenal should be worried. Their £105m man hardly got a sniff against us.
Exactly.
It's training, that's all. Loads of players being used by both clubs. Not bothered in the slightest.