Manchester United upgrade contact with Pep Guardiola, sources say

The idea that Mourinho plays boring negative football is a complete myth...

Yes it's not as free flowing attacking as others but jesus...you'd think he was Tony Pulis the way some people talk.

He's hardly Pulis, but his football has, for a long time, been very defensive-minded and quite negative. He can often stifle attacking players to a certain extent, and will happily see his side play some poor stuff if they win. And of course, when his teams do win, it's relatively understandable, but it's not exactly working at the moment.
 
Can we have a poll re: Jose as next manager? Interesting to see how people's thoughts changing (including mine!)

My thoughts have changed on Jose as well, if we cannot get Pep or Ancelotti when we should get him. LVG has run his course.

1)Pep
2)Ancelotti
3)Jose
 
I'm hoping and preying Gaz Nev turns Valencia into world beaters and becomes the hottest property in football management
 
If City get Guardiola, Ancelotti goes Bayern and we're stuck with Van Gaal next season I'll cry.

It is happening but there are other managers, it will be less straightforward but we can find the right man.
 
I'm hoping and preying Gaz Nev turns Valencia into world beaters and becomes the hottest property in football management
Not the best start, but it's too early maybe he can make his mark, although I kinda doubt it with Valencia as style, culture is pretty different and unfamiliar for him..
 
If he says, he isn't extending and doesn't say anything about a sabbatical, then it will be obvious that a deal has been done somewhere. It will most likely be City and the Rumours will go into overdrive. It will undermine Pellegrini either way.
If people make assumptions (however likely they are) and end up undermining Pellegrini, that's on the assumers.

As long as Pep doesn't say the words, he's technically in the clear.
 
I think the club have to make a decision whether to sack LVG at the end of the season now. That's the biggest risk in losing the race for both managers.

If we get top 4 i don't think the board will give a feck about missing out on those two. Their measures of success are very different to ours.
 
Why would that be any different to this season?

Because the other coaches just got a hell of a lot better and I assume their teams will get better as well.

City and Chelsea will find it easy to attract players with their new coaches, who are more attractive to play for than LVG IMO.
 
Because the other coaches just got a hell of a lot better and I assume their teams will get better as well.

City and Chelsea will find it easy to attract players with their new coaches, who are more attractive to play for than LVG IMO.
But, I mean, City will finish ahead of us this year, so makes no difference to our top 4 prospects
 
Because the other coaches just got a hell of a lot better and I assume their teams will get better as well.

City and Chelsea will find it easy to attract players with their new coaches, who are more attractive to play for than LVG IMO.

you don't even know who Chelsea's manager will be, assuming Jose is sacked

City are already in the top 4 this season and it won't be any different next year.
 
I want attacking football. Mourinho is a no no. I dread to think what would happen to the likes of Martial, Memphis, Wilson, Januzaj etc if he was in charge.

Erm, what we're seeing now I'd guess, but he'd be better than lvg I believe.

Pep or Carlo are gettable and I'd be happy with either.
 
Erm, what we're seeing now I'd guess, but he'd be better than lvg I believe.

Pep or Carlo are gettable and I'd be happy with either.

Well apparently Pep is going to City and Carlo to Bayern...
 
I can't really see a point here.

IF he decides to leave one of the best team in the world, it won't be for one fighting for the top 4 in PL. I mean, as good as he can be, he did well for Barca and Bayern, already top teams full of wonderful players.

We are a completely different project. How many players in our squad fit his philosophy of tikki takka ? We don't have enough, and his work would be based on rebuilding after LVG. It's a big risks for him.

And I can see that PSG, City or Chelsea would be also on him. PSG and City have better squad to work with.

It would be great to have him because we know that we'll have huge quality and a manager that makes things happen, and play offensive football sometimes with 5 strikers on the pitch like he does this year, but we're not in pole position.
 
This will be incredible if we manage to botch another managerial appointment. Munich moved Heynckes on in favour of longer term with Pep - incredible we are not being as ruthless. The fact that our competitors are in the market for a manager has to be relevant in our search.

Letting Guardiola go to City is going to be a huge mistake.
 
This will be incredible if we manage to botch another managerial appointment. Munich moved Heynckes on in favour of longer term with Pep - incredible we are not being as ruthless. The fact that our competitors are in the market for a manager has to be relevant in our search.

Letting Guardiola go to City is going to be a huge mistake.

He will go to City I can bet with you. His close friend Bergiristan is there so it would be better for him. City is a fair safer place for his legacy
 
United are waiting a sign from Guardiola ignoring Ancelotti.

Guardiola plays like a princess being wanted by every club in the world.

Ancelotti will loose patience because he's number two on the list.

Guardiola will either stay at Bayern or go to City.

If he stays at Bayern, City and United will fight for Ancelotti.

If Guardiola goes to City, Bayern will attract Ancelotti.

In all this, LVG will leave, and we'll be left behind.

I suppose that we want Guardiola for the marketing image (Woodward is there) and we are waiting after him.
 
Mourinho's recent form surely casts him in a different light though. Massive risk to take in appointing him after this Chelsea calamity.

Klopp had a similar meltdown last season. Yet many would gladly have him if he was free.
 
United are waiting a sign from Guardiola ignoring Ancelotti.

Guardiola plays like a princess being wanted by every club in the world.

Ancelotti will loose patience because he's number two on the list.

Guardiola will either stay at Bayern or go to City.

If he stays at Bayern, City and United will fight for Ancelotti.

If Guardiola goes to City, Bayern will attract Ancelotti.

In all this, LVG will leave, and we'll be left behind.

I suppose that we want Guardiola for the marketing image (Woodward is there) and we are waiting after him.

That's why the logical thing is to fire LVG and sign Ancelotti, it's best to "only" have Ancelotti than take the chance of missing on Guardiola and Ancelotti.
 
Klopp had a similar meltdown last season. Yet many would gladly have him if he was free.

Perhaps, although his Dortmund side weren't already the previous seasons champions. Dortmund don't have the financial clout Chelsea do, and he managed to have a decent finish to the season. If Mourinho could oversee an upturn in Chelsea's fortunes, he'd be worth more consideration.
 
That's why the logical thing is to fire LVG and sign Ancelotti, it's best to "only" have Ancelotti than take the chance of missing on Guardiola and Ancelotti.
Yup, from a strategic position this makes a lot of sense.
 
Maybe because the 2000's was the decade where Van Gaal stock took a massive hit. It definitely started with him being easily in the top 10,but it wasnt a good decade for him.

After leaving Barca for the first time, he went on to
- fail to qualify for the World cup with the Netherlands
- Returned to Barca for a disastrous 8 months. Left with them fighting relegation
- Thats when the big jobs dried up. Rejoined Ajax as a d.o.f, which ended with him falling out with Koeman


Joined AZ, for a stint that revitalized his career. He struggled in his first season finishing 11th, but won the title the season after.
No, he took the title challenge to the last day in his first season.

Left for Bayern soon after. Did quite well in first season, but fired within the 2nd.
Did excellent in first season.


Only joined the dutch NT after Euro12. That was around the time @JPRouve is talking about. Van Gaal's stock wasnt very high then.

you see mangerial stock is heavily influenced by recent perfomances, with something like a decade sufficing. Its the same reason why no one ranks Erikson or Trapattoni that high TODAY. We all know what they have achieved.
Do we really? I never understood their reputation to begin with.

Is this the two time UCl winning, world cup winning and European championship winning Del Bosque? I've seen it all now.

Appearantly managers are judged on the quality of their players, as far as they're judged. That doesn't really seem sensible given the state United's squad has been in for years. I find it difficult to find decent reasoning behind it. Mourinho failed to win the CL despite enormous resources and time given, he messed up big time with Real, and now he's messing up Chelsea.

It would be reasonable to rate LvG like that around 2005 or something, like someone who has lost his touch or who's ideas are outdated. But if he then proves again he can turn mediocre squads into champions than it's only reasonable to acknowledge that he still can do things others can't.

Exactly, it's not a dig at LVG and I think that being in and around top 10 is pretty good for a manager, but we all have to admit that since he joined United we all overrated him.
Maybe we all overrated United. Maybe it's just a form top club heading into mediocrity because they can't do without SAF and the fans are just spoilt and don't have the stomach for a rebuild.
 
That's why the logical thing is to fire LVG and sign Ancelotti, it's best to "only" have Ancelotti than take the chance of missing on Guardiola and Ancelotti.

I guess that United also wants Guardiola like that City won't have a top manager. I really think that there's a checkmate situation with these coaches between the two clubs.

We all know that we're less attractive than them now. Just sack LVG now and give Ancelotti the job asap. It would force Bayern to do their upmost to keep Guardiola, and "only" having the second choice. Then, City will be in difficult position with a new coach.

The board are not aggresive enough, and we're always loosing on these fronts. We took Van Gaal, only because the lack of top coaches, not because he was the natural choice.

We've the possibility to attract an equivalent of SAF in terms of manager, and we're waiting for Guardiola....
 
Maybe we all overrated United. Maybe it's just a form top club heading into mediocrity because they can't do without SAF and the fans are just spoilt and don't have the stomach for a rebuild.

If I cared about our current results you would be right, unfortunately I don't. I just don't trust the rebuilding plans, I'm allowed to have an opinion right?
The problem is that I had doubts about the plans for almost 11 months now and while the results were decent, I was of the opinion that I was wrong to be worried, now I am more and more skeptical.
 
That's exactly what City will do.
We definetly have more purchasing and pulling power than city if pep were to join.

Money is the one thing we're really good at. City still have to occasionally weave around ffp.
 
Jose's stock has dropped massively for me with the current position Chelsea are in. If he can get them back to winning ways then he'll be special again. But for me, right now, he's not special anymore.