I think most players available in transfer markets are club "rejects". You get deals like Costa (buy out clause) or RVP (contract). You can call Fabregas a club reject aswell then?, which we posters were hoping to sign.
Manchester United transfer news and rumours for summer 2014
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I completely agree, I should of worded it a "Mourinho reject" but my point still stands, he was an outcast when we signed him. If he was a regular first team starter for Chelsea last season then we wouldn't of had a hope in hell of signing him.
Mata wasn't playing because he didn't suit Mourinho's park the bus, attack on the break system. Now Mourinho signs the Barca 'reject' as Abramovich not happy with the park the bus system and wants attractive football. Wanted us to sign Mata, never wanted to sign Fabregas, I'm happy with that. Let's see next season.
I think that word reject, albeit harsh and strong, is apt. They didn't want him there simple as that.
That doesn't change the fact that hes a great player, arguably one with world class tags.
I give up. Absolute idiotic thing to write. I travel a lot and I've been to poor villages and there are kids wearing old utd shirts...not PSG, Madrid or Barca. We've signed some of the best players in the world. In fact we sold players to top team who have coveted them. If you think we are prestigious or dont pay top dollar, you must be delusional. I suggest you put down the crack pipe.....
Its amazing what one bad season brings out of people......complete and utter sh*t.
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I've done my exams and the world cup just isn't good enough as a distraction when you see Chelsea sign those level of players. I need a shiny new player holding the shiny new shirt with the Chevrolet logo. 
Well you won't be seeing that during the World CupI've done my exams and the world cup just isn't good enough as a distraction when you see Chelsea sign those level of players. I need a shiny new player holding the shiny new shirt with the Chevrolet logo.
If they don't know who George Best and SMB are they must be pretty ignorant, Maybe you've never heard of Pele Maradona Puskas or Di Stefano.
I know who Rossi and Herrera are as well, when you say shaped Serie A - are you referring to when Rossi got banned for 2 years prior to the 1982 WC for a betting scandal?
Don't see Bayern spending that big, but Chelsea City and PSG have FFP to worry about, we don't.
One bad season and your world's fallen apart.
How did City sign their players wth their glittering history and no CL pedigree
First of all learn to accept other people's opinion and attack the argument rather then the person. BTW You're not the only one who had traveled alot.
Secondly you only have to compare the quality the likes of Real had bought and compare it to the players we get in, let say, in the past 5 years. I am not saying we're skint. What I am saying is that we lag behind in terms of spending to 4-6 clubs and that has nothing to do with having a bad season at all.
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First of all there's a big big difference in terms of popularity between the likes of Pele and Maradona and the likes of Busby, Best and Rossi. The former are widely considered even by the neutral as the best players the world had ever seen. Sir Matt wasn't even the best manager at United and lags behind in terms of honors which much 'lesser' names such as Herrera, Capello and Mourinho. To be fair none of them passed from the experience Sir Matt did. However none of them lead a club who was relegated just 5 years after they left the managerial post either.
My point is that United were never top dogs in the transfer market (when compared to the likes of Real, Barcelona and (recently) Bayern) and the fact that we had a bad season wouldn't help.
I wouldn't call Mata a reject, however he really didn't fitted in Mourinho's game and was, erm not wanted by him.
Busby won the EC the year before he retired, that's why he is well known guiding the first English club to win it. Best is known worldwide. You say Manchester United and people say, ah yes Bobby Charlton, George Best, not only do I travel a lot but actually live abroad. United being relegated was because the EC winning team grew old and not replaced and we had a few bad managerial appointments. NOT SMB's fault and he was never sacked unlike the 3 you quoted.
Real and Barca have always been the biggest spenders because they are not privately owned and have had the possibility to sell their own TV rights whereas PL TV rights are shared much more evenly than in Spain, this is all about to change. Bayern Munich are owned like RM and Barca. These 3 and us are the top 4 in the world.
City PSG & Chelsea have rich single owners but do not have the history, only the money, but FFP will curb their spending. Ourselves and Arsenal are the 2 biggest clubs in England are run in a more business like way which will be beneficial in the long run.
Have a feeling you may change your thoughts 1) by the end of August 2) the end of next season and 3) in 2 years time
How old are these people?
I have also lived abroad and look set to move once again. However this is not whose got the biggest duck competition. For example in Italy I have found a substantial number who struggle who Sir Matt are especially amongst the younger generation. I also encourage you to read United's history. There's a very good article done by the Doc recently who gives quite an insight of what was happening behind the scenes during the dark years.
The reason why United can't compete with the likes of Real in financial terms is unimportant. My point is that we lag behind in terms of financially compete against these clubs. The fact that we ended up 7th place won't certainly help.
All different ages, on the other hand you say Denis Law and no-one seems to have heard of him, but of course younger people know of more current players like Rooney and RVP.
But the point is wherever you go United are easily the most famous English club, (Liverpool second) and a lot have even never heard of City.
And Wayne Rooney is considered fantastic by French TV pundits. I live in France which means not only do I see all the live PL matches that are shown in the UK but also one of the 3pm Saturday kickoffs which are shown live as well and if United are playing on Saturday at 3pm then they invariably show them ( because they are the most popular)
Oh I'm certain United are the biggest English club. I'm out in Brazil for the WC and there's a presence here. In fact the very first thing you see when you come out of Rio customs is a fecking great Hublot advert saying "proud sponsors of Man Utd" with a whopping great crest....I just think they'd have to be of a certain age to name check those players. Just as most wouldn't say "Oh, you support Juventus? Dino Zoff!" unless you're about 60.
I know the history and lived through that time, but we don't lag behind in financial terms, that's my point, the oil baron days are coming to an end, one bad season that's all, out of the last 23, even Barca or Bayern can't claim that.
Well believe what you want.
I hope the oil baron days are coming to an end though.
I noticed you changed it from 50 to 60
, my point was that people do know of George Best, but it wasn't me who namechecked him. PS Juventus are nowhere near as famous as us (outside Italy)
A new name (to me at least) - Cuadrado
http://www.express.co.uk/sport/foot...azing-bidding-war-for-20m-rated-Juan-Cuadrado
United transfer gossip
http://www.express.co.uk/sport/foot...for-World-Cup-duo-Negredo-nears-Man-City-exit
http://www.express.co.uk/sport/foot...-as-Real-Madrid-line-up-big-Adnan-Januzaj-bid
http://www.express.co.uk/sport/foot...azing-bidding-war-for-20m-rated-Juan-Cuadrado
United transfer gossip
http://www.express.co.uk/sport/foot...for-World-Cup-duo-Negredo-nears-Man-City-exit
http://www.express.co.uk/sport/foot...-as-Real-Madrid-line-up-big-Adnan-Januzaj-bid
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Cuadrado is a good player, however the Express is one of the shittest sources available.
That's exactly the point: You had one bad season in which you failed to even qualify for Europa League.
It's a very simple matter of fact that any club in any league or competition has only limited influence on its success:
You can (to a certain extent) control your performance but hardly the one of your competitors. In the PL, the competition for silverware and a CL spot got tougher.
If you like it or not: Other clubs, within the PL and across Europe, have (1) as much or more money as you or(2) have qualified for European football next season, many of them for CL. So why on earth should a player in his prime move to United this summer?
For many if not most, prestige comes second or third. Players generally open to a United move can comfortably wait one year to see what direction the club will take. If, for example, a player gets offers from you and e.g. Monaco next summer and both teams have qualified for CL, I'm sure many would prefer prestige over bucks. But this a potential future scenario, not the one you're in this summer.
Don't get me wrong:
I do have confidence that LvG will bring you back into the top 4. But (1) there's no guarantee, and (2) my career is totally unaffected if he doesn't. Which is very different for a professional football player and therefore, many of the top class players will shy away from the risk of two consecutive CL-free seasons.
Yes I'm not saying the lack of CL football doesn't affect attracting players but on the other hand, City and Liverpool attracted players with no CL football.
Yes the competition for top 4 has got tougher but that also can mean that the player may sign for a CL playing club next season, but who's to say that the club he signed for will be playing CL the following season or the season after, otherwise is a very short-sighted view.
If a player would sign for Monaco over us then that it is purely mercenary, no football involved in that decision
There's some truth to what you say - but: Careers of professional football players are per se much more short-sighted than the career of "ordinary" people. In addition, potential United summer 22014 targets of the level I have in mind and currently at a club with CL (or at least EL) football in 2014/2015 were surefire missing out one season in which they can present themselves on a European stage. Therefore, there's absolutely no need for them to join you now.
Due to LvG's reputation for developing youngsters, I'd expect that you sign some young promising talents in their end teens/very early twenties.
Most likely yes but different players set different priorities. Plus, the number of players competing for lucrative contracts increased faster than there are clubs. Therefore, there will always be certain players who would put monetary aspects first.
MUFC is just not a big pull has many of us like to think we are, and I think we all know that. Yes we are very attractive club for a certain pool of players, but we cannot snap our fingers like a Real Madrid and Barcelona, and sign anyone we want.
For example, the end of the 2007/08 season, united at that point probably hit it's peak has possibly a one of the major players of the game, the size of the club was at it's highest. United won back to back titles, they won the champions league with perhaps one of fergie's greatest ever teams, but? Real Madrid come in since January 2008, and manage to convince Ronaldo to want to leave the European champions, after signing a new contract 1 year before, for Real Madrid. Could MUFC entice any top Madrid player now to join us? as real are the current European champions, never going to happen. And that is the sad reality of united's situation, which has always been the case.
After what we done between 2006/08, we still could not keep Ronaldo happy, or entice many top players. United's only major signing in summer of 08 has champions of England and Europe, was? berbatov in August 31st 2008. So it shows, even has European champions, we has a club had a problem attracting players, and keeping our best player, who was the worlds best player at the time
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Wesley Sneijder admits he would find it tough to turn down an offer from Louis van Gaal to join him at Manchester United.
Van Gaal is set to take the reins at Old Trafford this summer once his involvement with the Dutch national team at the World Cup finals comes to a close.
As he prepares to return to club management, numerous high-profile names are being linked with moves to work under him.
Sneijder is among those to have figured prominently on United’s radar for some time – ever since he was pulling the strings at Inter Milan.
He is now on the books at Galatasaray and claims to be happy at the Turkish giants.
The 30-year-old playmaker is, however, a big fan of van Gaal and considers him to be among the finest tactical minds in the business.
It is for that reason that he has conceded that he would have to consider an approach from United’s new boss were one to be made in the upcoming transfer window.
Sneijder said while preparing himself for Holland’s next World Cup outing against Australia on Wednesday: “In the Netherlands, van Gaal is something like the head teacher of a school.
“Not everyone is lucky enough to get into his good books.
“He trains his players very hard and always expects the highest standards.
“I am happy at Galatasaray, I have established myself at the club and have settled in.
“However, if van Gaal were to make me an offer, I would have to at least consider it. Nobody from the Netherlands can simply reject van Gaal.”
Van Gaal is set to take the reins at Old Trafford this summer once his involvement with the Dutch national team at the World Cup finals comes to a close.
As he prepares to return to club management, numerous high-profile names are being linked with moves to work under him.
Sneijder is among those to have figured prominently on United’s radar for some time – ever since he was pulling the strings at Inter Milan.
He is now on the books at Galatasaray and claims to be happy at the Turkish giants.
The 30-year-old playmaker is, however, a big fan of van Gaal and considers him to be among the finest tactical minds in the business.
It is for that reason that he has conceded that he would have to consider an approach from United’s new boss were one to be made in the upcoming transfer window.
Sneijder said while preparing himself for Holland’s next World Cup outing against Australia on Wednesday: “In the Netherlands, van Gaal is something like the head teacher of a school.
“Not everyone is lucky enough to get into his good books.
“He trains his players very hard and always expects the highest standards.
“I am happy at Galatasaray, I have established myself at the club and have settled in.
“However, if van Gaal were to make me an offer, I would have to at least consider it. Nobody from the Netherlands can simply reject van Gaal.”
No, thank you Sneijder. I enjoyed all the good memories of your transfer topic.
oh feck off sneijder...
RM & Barca have had the advantage over united for a long time, that there is no doubt but Ronaldo was always going to RM , we kept him for 6 years which was a great achievement but he always wanted to play for RM, normally he would have gone a year earlier but SAF persuaded him to stay another year
I'm quite surprised that we haven't been linked with more loan deals from big CL clubs. I mean, we're not a threat to any of the major European teams now for a season at least so I'm surprised no one wants to loan out a player to us for some reason.
Not saying we should be taking loans off clubs - I'm just surprised we haven't been linked with any in the papers.
Not saying we should be taking loans off clubs - I'm just surprised we haven't been linked with any in the papers.
THIS.
Is so hard finding the transfer rumours on this thread! Can't we have a thread for reasons why United haven't signed world class players, over having to trawl through masses of drivel to find a hint of speculation & transfer news!
I agree we probs knew that, but if you look at players we tried to sign since Ronaldo left, for some reason they kept turning us down.
But who have we genuinely actually approached and who have actually turned us down, paper talk is meaningless, not forgetting that in that time we have signed RVP and Mata who are top players, De Gea who will be if not already a top goalkeeper, Kagawa who was supposed to be the big coup.
Our biggest nett spending ever was in the 2013/14 season (but of course Fellaini was in that
)Does he read the Caf or something?
Two years too late, Wesley.
I do think some people at United think the world shines out of United's backside.
I think most of the reasons given for why we haven't signed players is pretty much speculation and drivel too!
I keep hoping for something each day, but I think the signings will be post-WC. I'm just not convinced about the "world class" element...
Two?