We shouldn't sell both Di Maria and Mata, we could sell one and strengthen the midfield to ensure that the other flourishes. And why would you sell Fellaini and Young when they have pulled their weight this season? Next season we wil have a tonne of games so I think we will need them a lot more than we have this season.
Manchester United Summer Transfer Window 2015: What do we still need?
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I'm settled on Clyne, Hummels, Schneiderlin, Gundogan and Depay. All available, attainable and in positions we need most.
If Van Persie leaves then another forward is necessary.
If Van Persie leaves then another forward is necessary.
Give it a rest on the FM jibe - thats as old a knock-knock joke man
I've been bangin this same drum for quite a few seasons, that we need an investment of top-quality players only - not plan B's & non-United standard squad players.
Far too many folk are deluded in thinkin we only need a few signings to be completely competitive. Take Carrick out of the team & we're muck. Take both Carrick & Rooney out of the team & its shit on a stick. That tells its own story that other players cant / wont step up in their absence. Pathetic!
I never said we didn't need those players to be in the running for a CL bid.
However we aren't going to be competiting for the CL next season IMO. Being competitive for the PL title is enough of a stretch for next season.
The players we need to be competitive in the CL again will have to be purchased over a number of transfer windows.
It is based on profits not revenue.
For the 2013/2014 season EBITDA was about £100m and profit after player amortisation was about £20m. Add in higher CL revenue and new commercial deals for next season of about £70m. That gives revised profit of about £90m.
But you also need to adjust for spending in the last window. £130m spent adds about £30m to annual amortisation and wages are expected to be up a little less than 10% according to the latest investor results call. That probably knocks £40m to £50m off the profit bringing it down to £40m to £50m.
A £200m window with increased wages for 7/8 "quality" players would virtually eleminate the profit. Meaning we would only be able to add new players and wages when existing players leave for the next 3/4 years.
I reckon we can spend about £80m maybe £100m plus every few seasons but not all the time.
I don't call into question the need to buy but I do question the value of players we might sell. We didn't get zip for Cleverly, can't get zip for Nani, got buttons for Welbeck. Monoco can't get a fee for Falcao, why, because of the wages. Same with Nani. The only way we can move players on on fat contracts, is to virtually give them away. Which clubs might pay £10m for Rafael, or £10m for Young, who's on a reported £120k a week?
Mata has limited value as there are few Clubs that would accommodate his lack of pace, athleticism & tackling ability. Who would pay £25m for him & meet his salary?
Evans at £5m - yes I would say that. No idea what he 'earns' but I don't think another, mid to lower Table Club, would want to pay him more than £30k a week.
Reading some madness in here come on lads. Widespread suggestions of selling the trio of Young, Fellaini and Mata because of fee's and wages yet no mention of DiMaria? I'm all for giving DiMaria another season to settle but not at the expense of Mata for instance who looks like he actually wants to be here and wouldn't command a fee near that of DiMaria. These 3 have been amongst our best performers since the new year but as usual we are ready to ship them out in the all too typical fm summer clearout. Young was a close 2nd to De Gea yesterday for man of the match, repeatedly terrorising Ward and playing a part in both goals. He is willing to play all along the left side which gives us tactical options that LVG will like with him being able from LW all the way to LB if needed. Fellaini wasn't always my cup of tea but he too deserves his place who along with Mata has,scored important goals. Mata has thrived since playing from the right seemingly being better suited to seeing the pitch from a wider angle and drifting into spaces rather than playing with his back to goal in a cam role which we asked of him in the past. At this moment in time DiMaria doesn't deserve a starting place over any of Young/Mata/Fellaini, let alone selling any of them.
I agree with that @dannymc1309 Di Maria has been extremely poor for months on end especially last week where he looked like a skinny Charlie Adam, constantly pinging balls over the top for no end result. He's obviously got immense talent as we saw against Leicester with that fantastic lob and other great moments.
Selling then likes of Young who has been very good this season would be stupid, ok he's not been Hazard but he's been consistent and can play In a few positions. I'd one hundred percent keep Young for the squad game alone as he's showed he deserves to be here this season as far as I'm concerned.
Similar story for Mata who I think is one of our best players on form and is also one of our top scorers with 9 league goals and Fellaini has been great this year.
All 3 players should stay unless good bids come in for them. There are plenty of others who need to be moved on ahead of those 3 (Evans, Rafael, Anderson etc)
Selling then likes of Young who has been very good this season would be stupid, ok he's not been Hazard but he's been consistent and can play In a few positions. I'd one hundred percent keep Young for the squad game alone as he's showed he deserves to be here this season as far as I'm concerned.
Similar story for Mata who I think is one of our best players on form and is also one of our top scorers with 9 league goals and Fellaini has been great this year.
All 3 players should stay unless good bids come in for them. There are plenty of others who need to be moved on ahead of those 3 (Evans, Rafael, Anderson etc)
He's left already?? Thought he was still with us in the reservesJust shows how much impact he makes when you didn't notice he had gone already.
At the end of the day I really don't care who we sign with Louis van Gaal as manager. He's a winner and I trust that he will sign the players we really need. Some of us myself included don't appreciate that we have a top manager here doing a job not just on the pitch but he's shaping our club, our youth academy and the way we do things. Taking us from an antiquated infrastructure, building on systems that have already been in place and taking the club forward into modern times. The things van Gaal is doing now, we will keep on benefiting for many years after he leaves.
Need to get this done early before the qualifier. Get them in and get them gelling ASAP.
Maybe we should buy the most dangerous player from everyone we might get in the qualifier.
I originally thought four, think now it's more likely to be five or six.
Goalkeeper (only if De Gea leaves)
Right Back
Centre Back
Central Midfielder
Winger (Depay - done)
Striker
Goalkeeper (only if De Gea leaves)
Right Back
Centre Back
Central Midfielder
Winger (Depay - done)
Striker
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Pretty much, which is quite a lot tbf.
Yep, I wouldn't expect as many next summer and beyond but think this will be the final stage of van Gaal balancing the squad out.
I would like 2 CB's, 2 Midfielders, and a RB, I wouldn't mind a striker too but I just don't know who.
Lapotre
Hummels
Schneiderlin
Pogba
Clyne
Then I would keep the rest of the first team except for :
Falcao
Evans
and one of Mata, Di Maria, or Fellaini, (as these will raise a good fee which we might need)
Hernandez, Nani to go too.
+ Loan two of Wilson, Pereira, and Januzaj.
Lapotre
Hummels
Schneiderlin
Pogba
Clyne
Then I would keep the rest of the first team except for :
Falcao
Evans
and one of Mata, Di Maria, or Fellaini, (as these will raise a good fee which we might need)
Hernandez, Nani to go too.
+ Loan two of Wilson, Pereira, and Januzaj.
RvP, if not sold in the summer will have a great next season at United, giving him a chance to win a fantastic last contract either at one of Europe's teams or in USA.
RVP is a better 9 than Rooney and I hope he stays as it makes us stronger.
That would most likely mean Rooney returns to midfield.
Minimum:
RB
CB
CM
LW (Depay)
+Preferably (and depending somewhat on departures/loans out):
2nd CM
2nd Winger/Striker
A 2nd CB seems extravagant to me but if the right player is available then why not. Six players seems a lot but considering we could/hopefully will lose from our current squad Evans, Blackett, Rafael and Falcao - plus possibly RVP and/or Di Maria might leave too - then I think 6 is necessary. Januzaj, Wilson, Pereira and McNair would benefit more from loans I think as well, although with Europe to contest as well maybe they will get the required experience here.
RB
CB
CM
LW (Depay)
+Preferably (and depending somewhat on departures/loans out):
2nd CM
2nd Winger/Striker
A 2nd CB seems extravagant to me but if the right player is available then why not. Six players seems a lot but considering we could/hopefully will lose from our current squad Evans, Blackett, Rafael and Falcao - plus possibly RVP and/or Di Maria might leave too - then I think 6 is necessary. Januzaj, Wilson, Pereira and McNair would benefit more from loans I think as well, although with Europe to contest as well maybe they will get the required experience here.
Yep the Rooney debate. He's our best player imo but he doesn't fit in a 433 so LVG has some difficult decisions ahead. Hope he finds a formation that can get the best out of Rooney and not just accommodate him as he's a wonderful player. Playing him midfield is accommodating him and to our detriment. A bit like what we are doing with Mata currently. LVG gets a pass for this in his first season but hopefully now he's assessed his squad properly we see the changes slowly taking place.
Is he? When Rooney is in his average form which these days is more often than not, he practically disappears from games and his first touch is a disaster.
When was the last time he was consistently good for us? He used to be really good, world class even but nowadays we're seeing less and less of those kind of games from him. If you want to watch a proper striker, watch Aguero and you can see how far behind Rooney really is right now.
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Rooney is the kind of player you really shouldn't build a team around. He was always frustrating and inconsistent. If we rely on him to make things happen we will be always a "hit and miss" team. For me the only players where you should adapt your system are Messi and Ronaldo anyway. For everyone else sign the right players, try to make it work and if Rooney can't find a position in our system where he can perform he shouldn't start. While he deserves some excuses in midfield he doesn't deserve that as striker, where he has been pretty poor too.
Is it true Müller started following United on Instagram?! My dream signing, please let this be true, I need some hope to hinge on!
Preach it brother!
Sadly no, it was just someone messing around.
I'd say a completed squad going into 15-16 looks like this, with RVP and Carrick to be replaced with 2 big signings in 2016. Obviously if De Gea or Di Maria leave then they need like for like replacements.
-------Rooney----- (RVP, Wilson)
Memphis-----Mata (Di Maria, Young/Nani, Januzaj)
----CM---Herrera- (Fellaini, Pereira)
------Carrick------ (Blind)
Shaw-----------RB (Rafael, Blind)
----CB-Smalling-- (Rojo, Jones)
------De Gea------ (Valdes)
So, 3 (post-Memphis) big signings this summer then 2 or 3 in 2016 (RVP and Carrick replaced and let's assume one of De Gea or Di Maria leave or someone else suffers a massive injury).
CM - Koke, Verrati, Pogba, Vidal, O. Torres
RB - Carvajal, Darmian, Coleman
CB - Laporte, Otamendi, Hummels, Gimenez
1 from each group and we should contend for the league and be a tough out in the CL knockouts. Then in 2016 it'll be easier to attract players and we can hopefully get a top 6 to replace Carrick and a top striker to replace RVP.
It's all manageable if we don't feck it up and we can convince a young CM star to sign with us, which will be the other very hard part.
2015 - 50 on a CM, 35 on a CB, 20 on an RB. That's 130 including Depay.
2016 - Another 70 combined on the striker and DM, and the possible replacement for De Gea or Di Maria should be paid for by selling that player off.
-------Rooney----- (RVP, Wilson)
Memphis-----Mata (Di Maria, Young/Nani, Januzaj)
----CM---Herrera- (Fellaini, Pereira)
------Carrick------ (Blind)
Shaw-----------RB (Rafael, Blind)
----CB-Smalling-- (Rojo, Jones)
------De Gea------ (Valdes)
So, 3 (post-Memphis) big signings this summer then 2 or 3 in 2016 (RVP and Carrick replaced and let's assume one of De Gea or Di Maria leave or someone else suffers a massive injury).
CM - Koke, Verrati, Pogba, Vidal, O. Torres
RB - Carvajal, Darmian, Coleman
CB - Laporte, Otamendi, Hummels, Gimenez
1 from each group and we should contend for the league and be a tough out in the CL knockouts. Then in 2016 it'll be easier to attract players and we can hopefully get a top 6 to replace Carrick and a top striker to replace RVP.
It's all manageable if we don't feck it up and we can convince a young CM star to sign with us, which will be the other very hard part.
2015 - 50 on a CM, 35 on a CB, 20 on an RB. That's 130 including Depay.
2016 - Another 70 combined on the striker and DM, and the possible replacement for De Gea or Di Maria should be paid for by selling that player off.
I still think we need quite a few players of quality to increase our squad depth.
Starting from the back
A right-back
2 Centre backs, (as I see Evans being sold and Rojo more as a cover for both LB and CB)
2 Central Midfielders (one being a holding more defensive minded player)
A striker, As either RvP or Falcao will be gone in the summer I think.
That's 6 players at the least. Which should add to our depth and push players like Valencia, Jones and Fellaini to the bench and provide cover for Carrick (or even displace him)
Starting from the back
A right-back
2 Centre backs, (as I see Evans being sold and Rojo more as a cover for both LB and CB)
2 Central Midfielders (one being a holding more defensive minded player)
A striker, As either RvP or Falcao will be gone in the summer I think.
That's 6 players at the least. Which should add to our depth and push players like Valencia, Jones and Fellaini to the bench and provide cover for Carrick (or even displace him)
DDG aside Rooney has been our best player this season playing large chunks in midfield out of position. I'd agree with you regarding Augero but we don't have him in the squad but we do have Rooney. i think RVP still has some miles in him and he is a better 9 than Rooney. Maybe a change to a 4231 will suit with Rooney central and further up the pitch. All depends on who we are signing but I bet LVG at this stage will be planning with him in the team.
Thats a great list man & i'm glad you've identified the areas we need strengthening & the quantities too.
2 top quality CB's, 2 top quality CM's & a top quality RB are a must & not a luxury or spunkfest just for the sake of it, as some have suggested on here.
If we got those numbers in & with Depay onboard too - i'd be absolutely thrilled. That's a serious foundation there - defence & midfield sorted for the next few years or more.
Of course i'd then find something else to whinge about though. "Strikers" is my guess
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One of the reasons, why I don't think we need Gündogan is that we've already got enough attacking midfielders. Let me just outline a scenario, where we sign Schneiderlin and Xhaka or similar players and what it would mean for our team. We'd able to this:
One of the reasons, why I don't think we need Gündogan is that we've already got enough attacking midfielders. Let me just outline a scenario, where we sign Schneiderlin and Xhaka or similar players and what it would mean for our team. We'd able to this:
4-3-3
De Gea
Valencia - Smalling - Jones - Shaw
6: Carrick
10: Herrera/Fellaini - 8: Schneiderlin
di Maria - Rooney - Memphis
or
6: Schneiderlin
10: Herrera/Fellaini - 8: Xhaka
or 4-2-3-1
6/8: Xhaka/Carrick - 6/8: Schneiderlin
Mata - 10: di Maria/Herrera/Mata/Fellaini - Memphis
or 4-4-1-1
Mata - Schneiderlin - Carrick/Xhaka - Memphis
Rooney/di Maria/Herrera/Fellaini
Rooney/van Persie
In my eyes those 2 would make it possible to play di Maria or Mata through the centre, which is something that currently wouldn't work with the players available and neither by adding Gündogan. Di Maria's wastefulness in possession could be compensated by those two. Not that I'm preferring it, since I want Herrera to start as the most advanced midfielder, but it could be something worth trying. Fellaini doesn't have the positional discipline to play him as a box-to-box midfielder and he's at his best behind a striker or as the attacking midfielder. Gündogan quite simply wouldn't give us enough defensively and would currently compete with Herrera and Fellaini for a spot, who both seem unable to give van Gaal the balance he wants.De Gea
Valencia - Smalling - Jones - Shaw
6: Carrick
10: Herrera/Fellaini - 8: Schneiderlin
di Maria - Rooney - Memphis
or
6: Schneiderlin
10: Herrera/Fellaini - 8: Xhaka
or 4-2-3-1
6/8: Xhaka/Carrick - 6/8: Schneiderlin
Mata - 10: di Maria/Herrera/Mata/Fellaini - Memphis
or 4-4-1-1
Mata - Schneiderlin - Carrick/Xhaka - Memphis
Rooney/di Maria/Herrera/Fellaini
Rooney/van Persie
@bucky I see what you're going for, I am just not sure LvG will want to be quite as pragmatic as that, I could be wrong of course but I just see Shneiderlin and Xhaka being very similar and I could see him preferring another ball player or attacking threat added to the midfield than 2 more defesnive CM's. Unless of course he does intend to move to using a more traditional #10 and a 4-2-3-1 system, in which case the double pivot is needed.
GK: De Gea, Valdes, Milinkovic
RB: ...?..., Janko
RCB: Smalling, Jones
LCB: Hummels, Rojo
LB: Blind, Shaw
RCM (B2B): Herrera, Mensah
LCM (DM): Carrick, Strootman, Pearson
CAM (#10): Mata, Pereira
RW: Di Maria, Januzaj
LW: Reus, Depay
ST: RVP, Rooney, Wilson (Would like Lacazette)
Sell: Lindegaard, Amos, Evans, Rafael, Fellaini, Valencia, Young, Nani, Hernandez.
RB: ...?..., Janko
RCB: Smalling, Jones
LCB: Hummels, Rojo
LB: Blind, Shaw
RCM (B2B): Herrera, Mensah
LCM (DM): Carrick, Strootman, Pearson
CAM (#10): Mata, Pereira
RW: Di Maria, Januzaj
LW: Reus, Depay
ST: RVP, Rooney, Wilson (Would like Lacazette)
Sell: Lindegaard, Amos, Evans, Rafael
, Fellaini, Valencia, Young, Nani, Hernandez.a bit too early for mensah don't you think? he is exciting but has yet to feature even for the u-21s. anyway it is okay to be proven wrong here for sure.
I think we will sign Bale. Based on that hunch one of Di Maria or Mata have to go and I think it will be ADM. Mata will return to being a bench player or play as our 10.
OUTS
Falcao
Rvp
ADM
Evans
Rafael
Nani
Hernandez
Januzaj (loan)
Perreira (loan)
McNair (loan)
De Gea
RB Smalling CB Shaw
CDM
Herrera CM/AM
Depay STR LW
I think we definitely have 6 signings to make this summer and if DDG leaves make it 7. RB Smalling CB Shaw
CDM
Herrera CM/AM
Depay STR LW
OUTS
Falcao
Rvp
ADM
Evans
Rafael
Nani
Hernandez
Januzaj (loan)
Perreira (loan)
McNair (loan)
Memphis Ronaldo Mata
---Di Maria Herrera---
---------Carrick--------
Shaw Rojo Smalling Valencia
---------De Gea-------
I'd take that all day everyday. Yes there are areas to improve across the defence and DM but that team is winning the league.
Not that I can see Ronaldo leaving without conquering Real's all time scorer record mind.
All sensible and fairly welcomed variations above this post too.
---Di Maria Herrera---
---------Carrick--------
Shaw Rojo Smalling Valencia
---------De Gea-------
I'd take that all day everyday. Yes there are areas to improve across the defence and DM but that team is winning the league.
Not that I can see Ronaldo leaving without conquering Real's all time scorer record mind.
All sensible and fairly welcomed variations above this post too.
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I seriously think this is possible.
Depay - Already in (25mil)
Gungoden - 25mil
Hummels - 20mil
Muller - 35mil
Clyne - 25mil
Total - 130mil minus any sales, which i think there will be a few.
I'd bring Nani back into the fold and give him game time until January to prove himself then sell him if he's done.
Depay - Already in (25mil)
Gungoden - 25mil
Hummels - 20mil
Muller - 35mil
Clyne - 25mil
Total - 130mil minus any sales, which i think there will be a few.
I'd bring Nani back into the fold and give him game time until January to prove himself then sell him if he's done.
It seems that most on here see us as bringing in 1 midfield player.....
this season alone we've lost Anderson, Fletcher and Cleverley and we are so light on numbers we've had to use Rooney there and Blind is clearly an emergency measure there and not a specialist
Powell isn't goign to step up and should leave and I'm not sure Pereira is ready to step up.
The last 2 seasons have taught us Fellaini can't play there and needs to play more advanced and Di Maria has been used as awide attacking player more often than not....
with all this in mind it leaves us with a 34 year old injury prone Carrick and Herrera as specialists
surely we will sign 2 central midfield players?
this season alone we've lost Anderson, Fletcher and Cleverley and we are so light on numbers we've had to use Rooney there and Blind is clearly an emergency measure there and not a specialist
Powell isn't goign to step up and should leave and I'm not sure Pereira is ready to step up.
The last 2 seasons have taught us Fellaini can't play there and needs to play more advanced and Di Maria has been used as awide attacking player more often than not....
with all this in mind it leaves us with a 34 year old injury prone Carrick and Herrera as specialists
surely we will sign 2 central midfield players?
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