Are you suggesting that their transfer strategy has always been the same?
Manchester United ready to back José Mourinho with £100m-plus in January
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Are you suggesting that their transfer strategy has always been the same?
We can 1000% percent agree there.
It is.
A- We don't always buy young talent. Mkhitaryan, Sanchez, mata and co are a clear example. If mou would have added more experienced players if he had his way
B- youths need to be nurtured and has to be played regularly. Mou's lack of patience with kids is world renowned
Juve model is far away from Spurs model. Look at the wages Spurs pay and Juventus.
Juventus signed
Ronaldo for 110 million
cancelo - 40 million
Douglas Costa - 40 million
Bonucci - 35 million
Bernardeschi - 40 million
Cuadrado - 20 million (after paying around 10 million in loan fee)
Higuain - 90 million
Pjanic - 38 million
Pjaca - 25 million
Dybala - 43 million
Sandro - 25 million
and most of these signings are pre Neymar. It's not close to Spurs model at all. Apart from these, they pay way too big in wages compared to Spurs.
They are closer to our model, except that they get best out of players they sign.
Your points are not consistent.
Even Juventus don't always sign young talents.
Tevez
Mandzukic
Hernanes
Higuain
Cuadrado
Matuidi
Benatia
Douglas Costa
Bonucci
Juventus sign whatever is considered as shrewd signing. You won't see them signing a lot of donkeys at 30-40m a pop
They are not because who said we should ALWAYS buy young talent, the point was that we are balanced.
For a Mhiki there was a Bially, for every Matic there was a Lindelof, For a Sanchez there was a Dalot, for a Mata there was a Martial.
Point b has some valid points, except the minutes played for u20s at United vs the rest of the top 6 is largely in United favour even with Jose at the club.
The simple fact is non of our singings are performing on the pitch established, young, or whatever, that is really the issue
Oh are we erasing post Serie B transfers when they signed lot of useless players for big money?
Krasic
Diego
Melo
Poulsen
Amauri
Iaquinta
Matri
Vucinic
Isla
Ogbona
Zaza
and few more shit players.
So you keep moving the goal posts now. First, we don't always buy young talents to Juventus sign only if they consider as shrew signing. For a record, they wanted Matic too when we signed.
No big club sign only young players. They sign whichever players they feel will be a good investment or needed to reach certain goals. Not all of them works.
What I see is a bunch of overpayed, average players on ridiculous salaries. Mou speaks alot of me of squad inheritance but our best players are SAF/LVG signings. The only player he bought whose United level was pogba whom we paid ridiculous fees for. I mean take lukaku. If jesus met him he would probably ride him to Jerusalem not spend 75m on him
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Juve is mostly about buying value something we have struggled in for a long time. Are juve perfect? Certainly not but they are far more effective with money then we are. Same as spurs
Now this is completely different from the original point.
Juventus are closer to ManUtd than Spurs, only exception is they get best out of their players. They sign expensive players, old players, play very big wages. Everything like ManUtd and nothing like Spurs.
Spurs are not effective with money, most of their signings turn out rubbish
A spurs fan trying to preach to us about not giving youth a chance 
They have a bucket load of players constantly shipped out on loan that never amount to anything.
They have a bucket load of players constantly shipped out on loan that never amount to anything.
A Spurs fan trying to preach to us about not giving youth a chance
They have a bucket load of players constantly shipped out on loan that never amount to anything.
He always make these claims and when hit with proof, he won't respond. ManUtd players gave more mins to young players than Spurs.
No they are closer to spurs then we are as they buy value. The only difference is that
A- juventus are better in the job then spurs are
B-juventus can attract and buy bigger players when they must
Juventus has a successful side mostly built on shrewd signings All is run on a strict wage structure which is lower to ours. You don't see many overpayed donkeys at juve who signed for a last paycheck
They do very well despite spending far less then we do. Id swap their team to ours in a heart beat
And we would still be shite.
We would be better than Spurs if we simply swapped managers.
Remember reading a Terry interview where he said Jose would always tell him if he didn't keep up his performamces he would replace him with a new 30m defender to keep him on his toes. Problem is i can't help but feel Jose actually believes he can continously buy and discard players on a whim. Given another year he'd be fighting the board for not letting him replace Fred and Matic
Manager inc of course
Wouldn't that just leave us where we are now? Except actually worse off as it would mean winning 0. We would simply be a club that competes for the top 4 and thats it.
Same squad and manager finished below us last season, and is struggling to get out of their UCL group, lost to us in the FA cup semi last season too.
I would rather take our squad plus Poch, his ability to get the best out of players would be great for the likes of Lukaku Pogba Sanchez Martial Rashford Pereira etc
I believe this money will only be spent if we can offload some players at Jan.
Looks fairly similar to our spending.
We don't offload players, unless they say they want to leave. We give them new contracts otherwise.
Damn! Did anyone else read the title as Manchester United ready to sack Jose Mourinho ...?
100million is a start, maybe 2 players. If we can sell a few in January we may be able to bring in a third. It is still going to be an interesting summer.
I wish it was..
Well I beg to differ. Apart from DDG, Pogba and maybe Martial, Spurs has a way better team then we got. What we do have is better strength in depth. Now lets say we swap managers and team then give Pocchs deeper pockets + a top club who can actually attract better names to the club. I dare to say we would be a serious title contender in 2 years time.
You said it yourself, he's 20, how old are Trent Arnold & Gomez at Liverpool ?
United can't risk being out of the the top 4, or competing with the best in Europe, by 'too much at stake' I refer to the clubs appeal, TV , sponsorship, fan base etc, our history will carry us through some bad times but they can't last for too long, we're not even the best team in Manchester ATM !
We need a quick fix AND a long term plan.
Not just Mourinho having a lack of patience with younger players.
Just read the numerous posts slating Rashford and McTominay for example.
£100m to spend in the transfer window where traditionally no one wants to sell.
I say traditionally since a major sector of the transfer market closed a good month before everyone else for the first time ever... so who knows.
I know we need a centre back though.
I say traditionally since a major sector of the transfer market closed a good month before everyone else for the first time ever... so who knows.
I know we need a centre back though.
my point is that the buy value for money. You won't see many players on ridiculous salaries who came to Juventus for their final paychecks. You'll also don't find Juventus spending big money for donkeys.
So lets have a look at their squad.
Szczęsny - they bought him for 12m euros in 2017.
Cancelo - they got him from Valencia for 40m euros. They got a regular Portuguese international at pretty much the same price we spent for Lindelof or Bailly
Sandro - they got him for 25m from Porto. No one knew who Sandro was up until Juventus signed him up
Chiellini - they picked him young from Livorno, then co owned him with Fiorentina only to get him back for 6m euros
Bonucci - they sold him to AC Milan for 42m, then bought him back in a swap deal with Caldara (who was bought for 15m euros with the potential of fees going up to 25m euros). The fee was estimated 35m
Benatia - they got him on a 1 year loan for 3m with a 17m option to buy
Cuadrado- they got him for a measly 20m fee
Douglas Costa - they got him first on loan with an option to buy for 40m euros
Pjanic - they bought for 32m as a replacement to Pogba. He's been as good if not better then Pogba ever since. We bought Fellaini for pretty much that fee
Matuidi - they bought him for 20m + 10m depending on appearances. He's been a rock ever since
Bentancur - they signed him for 9.4m euros
Ronaldo - 112m - huge fee but with great benefits (although the fee was ridiculous). Rumours say they have already got what they paid for through merchandizing and sponsors
Dybala - they bought him for 32m euros, pretty much the same money we bought Lindelof for
Mandzukic - 19m euros
Now lets have a look at ours
DDG- 25M Great signing
Valencia - 18m euros
Shaw - 37.5m euros
Bailly - 38m euros
Lindelof - 35m euros
Young - 18m euros
Sanchez - swap with Mkhitaryan 34m. His salary dwarfs any fee involved
Matic - 44.7m
Pogba - 105m euros
Fellaini - 32.4m euros
Fred - 60m euros
Mata - 44.7m euros
Martial - 60m euros
Herrera - 36m euros
Lukaku- 84.7m euros
We spend far more for far less talent.
This is just the money that was supposed to be for the summer + the money from the Blind sale. We are not going to sign a top CB in January because no one will sell.
Always with same Juventus this, that and then moving goal posts with every post. fecking hell. Hopefully I didn't hurt any Juventus fans.
*Cough* Higuain *Cough*
Would rather see a takeover by rich oil country, 100m nothing in today market. A takeover by the rich oil country to me would be like winning the champion league.
Would bring us on a level playing field with Man City.
Would not care if we lost top 4 this season if I knew there was light at the end of the tunnel with a takeover.
Without it cannot see us winning the league.
it a joke on paper we are the richest football club in the world, In my eyes, we are the poorest club in the top 10 clubs in Europe with our massive debt.
Would bring us on a level playing field with Man City.
Would not care if we lost top 4 this season if I knew there was light at the end of the tunnel with a takeover.
Without it cannot see us winning the league.
it a joke on paper we are the richest football club in the world, In my eyes, we are the poorest club in the top 10 clubs in Europe with our massive debt.
While I believe other big clubs tend to get better value for their money in transfer dealings (e.g. we would probably have paid 300m to sign CR7).
Serie A in particular is a slower paced league, allowing Juve to get better value from older and/or lesser players. A lot of bargain players, like Costa, Matuidi, and cuadrado, were struggling in the other leagues before moving to the Serie A. Matic would probably look like a superstar if he moved to Juve today.
Other like Pipita were signed for top dollar, while being the local big dogs allows them to snap up talents at a bargain from smaller serie A team (similar to bayern in bundesliga)
But your attempted "quick fix" approach has seen you finish outside the top 4 three times since Fergie retired - and it's now on the cards for a 4th time.
When does deciding on - and prioritising - a long-term strategy begin? It'll be never if you continue down the "spend lots in more attempted quick fixes" path.
Always post this and when someone posts about minutes played by U20 and U21 players, just ignore that and run away.
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