Problem of giving a teenager & inexperienced centre back is they lack leadership & can make mistakes. They need a guide or leader next to him to help him. If we have Rio & Vidic, it will make sense to play Tuanzebe next to either one of them. I think it's better to let Tuanzebe stay in Aston Villa until end of the season to get more experiences.
Manchester United ready to back José Mourinho with £100m-plus in January
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Problem of giving a teenager & inexperienced centre back is they lack leadership & can make mistakes. They need a guide or leader next to him to help him. If we have Rio & Vidic, it will make sense to play Tuanzebe next to either one of them. I think it's better to let Tuanzebe stay in Aston Villa until end of the season to get more experiences.
Well, this is the thing. If we had a experienced, consistent centre back, we may have had the luxury of putting Tuanzebe in.
I look at someone like Joe Gomez at Liverpool, who has come on leaps and bounds playing next to Van Dijk.
Not sure what's the point of you replying mine but you were basically just repeating my post in different sentence.
Except you werent able to give an example to prove your point, so I thought Id help you out.
The post clearly was saying these youngster doesn't have enough experiences and need a leader to play next to them and I even use Rio or Vidic as an example.
As long as you don’t buy that maguire, if that happens benkovic goes back to Leicester
He should have been given that in the summer, not now.
It's highly probable that he won't be the manager next season. So spending 100m for a top 4 spot on a manager who will most probably be sacked doesn't make sense.
Woodward needs to get his shite together. I'd rather give the extra 100m to the next manager. Otherwise that guy will most likely need to replace the ones we buy now. This lack of decisiveness is killing the club.
It's highly probable that he won't be the manager next season. So spending 100m for a top 4 spot on a manager who will most probably be sacked doesn't make sense.
Woodward needs to get his shite together. I'd rather give the extra 100m to the next manager. Otherwise that guy will most likely need to replace the ones we buy now. This lack of decisiveness is killing the club.
All the articles are saying the club will still veto signing older players.
Think it's wrong to say we are giving Mourinho £100m. Think the club would only sign players that they think will have long term futures here regardless of Mourinho.
The club is a mess. Ideally,we should be going into this window with a DoF already here.
Think it's wrong to say we are giving Mourinho £100m. Think the club would only sign players that they think will have long term futures here regardless of Mourinho.
The club is a mess. Ideally,we should be going into this window with a DoF already here.
And if we had signed all three of those, it would have cost us something like £175m. Amazing to think of it like that. Would that have been worth it?
So much money for players you'll be looking to replace in two years.
Havent we heard and discussed time and time again on here that its rare to get get really good players in the winter,even managers say it ?
This should have been done in the summer not panic buying now.
This should have been done in the summer not panic buying now.
Think we will bring in Godin and Alderweireld in January. Maybe Everton Soares from Premio up front.
Why would Atletico sell Godin when they are in middle of a title chase?
The post clearly was saying these youngster doesn't have enough experiences and need a leader to play next to them and I even use Rio or Vidic as an example.
No. Im talking about using a young player as an example.
Joe Gomez is a perfect example of what you were talking about but you didnt mention him.
Cos we're United, innit.
We need a new Pearl Harbour.
He has a (small) release clause as all players do in Spain so I guess that does not matter. Its more of a question of why Godin would want to leave himself?
Money being the only answer I guess = high wages.
Same: Why would Aldeweireld leave Spurs in the middle of the season, when he is free to leave for £25m nxt summer and will have his pick of European top teams? Same answer: money. We would need to throw money at Aldeweireld wage-wise to get him to leave in the January window. This has very little to do with with what we are prepared to pay Spurs to get an early release.
I really wish that we would stop throwing exorbitant wages on old players as we did with Sanchez and as we even did with Matic. Its the wrong approach.
It is exactly the wrong approach as you say. Then when we try to get rid of the failures we are stuck with them. We just don't learn. Oh for the days when players fell over themselves to play for us.
Who knows. You’re inflating that cost though.
We could be totally transformed as a side. We’d have much more work rate and consistency at the top end and a quality defender who could play from the back.
If you review the 1st Quarter Results you will see that Utd's wage bill had increased by £7m in Q1. That is the Premier League's annual wage cap so even if Utd have the money sat in the bank they can not spend it on players without falling foul of the Premier League's cost control measures which link wage bill increases to revenue increases.
It would, and it would actually have been a real cost because none of those players would have a significant resale-value after the end of their respective 5-year or whatever contracts. We would have to write of their asset value over those five years, which is a cost as is pure wages.
Add to that the significant actual wages they would have demanded. To "back" Mourinho (if one chooses to believe that narrative) with those three purchases would have been outright irresponsible financially and it would hamper us to do like anything on the transfer-market in the next couple of years from a sporting perspective.
I totally understand why the club (and I dont believe for one second that Mourinho doesnt understand and accept this btw) rejected this. We already have a big part of our wage-budget locked up with Sanchez and even Matic being bought for not unconsidareble amounts and on high wages as well.
We dont have room in the wagebill for buying more older players and putting them on high wages.
We need to invest in younger players the next couple of years and Mourinho needs to get the best out of the squad with the largest wage bill in the PL he has already.
Qtr 1 results show that Utd's wage bill is in danger of exceeding Premier League's wages cap.
Not really. Their clubs were holding out for between 50-70m for each of them. Or perhaps Martial being added into the equation in Willian's case.
Martial was added also in the Toby situation too
Which should be telling us that we should be fighting tooth and nail to keep Martial.
Instead of having those players and perhaps a decent season, we will be replacing the likes of Young, Fellaini, and Rojo in two years time. Except with the latter we're looking at one if not two disastrous seasons.
So what's the priority now, having reached six years since we last won the league? I'm in the camp of go short term now and worry about long term once we've reset as a team. We've got plenty of youth at our core already. We need the short term experienced guys around them now. That's regardless of who the manager is.
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I never think going short term is the right answer. It leaves you in a permanent state of transition. The fact that we have lots of deadwood now, doesn't mean we should replace with soon to be deadwood.
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Saudis also to get it kickstarted,
I sincerely hope Mourinho isn't given a penny this Jan...otherwise it will be a waste.
The club's policy (and to be honest, I sort of see the POV) is they want instant success. They probably know that the longer we go without winning major honours, the harder it could be for us to get back there (see Liverpool). That's why we have Jose and that's why we go for veterans, for the most part......the problem is, this hasn't worked. So at some point, we need to admit defeat with this approach and go for a different strategy - a forward-thinking, progressive manager and a transfer policy that targets future stars rather than those already at their peak.
Spare a few tips for how to circumvent such rules, gov?
There are a lot of young or teen defenders that Sir Alex have played them next to either Rio or Vidic. If you were United fans in their era, surely you should understand why I used Vidic or Rio as an example.
I don't think we have much deadwood in the squad, mourinho is just not using them right. So much of talent keeps chasing the ball half the time and loosing the possession we have half the time in literally seconds.
We could do much better with more cohesive coaching .
They can be the scapegoat.
I do not think 200 let alone 100 would be enough. Jose is going to play Lukaku upfront and Matic as the DM and we would still be crap no matter who plays in central defence.
Its a certain balancing act, no? If we can look at those young players and groom them into a core spine of the team - Rashford, Martial, Lindelof, Lingard, Shaw, Dalot - would that be enough? Or would you want a few more names locked into the matchday squad?
Especially if we add Pogba to that list, I feel like the players we then have to fill the gaps with can be more short term without compromising too much.
As I'm writing this, im thinking my idea only works if those short term signings are successful. Maybe that's the difference. We've had a lot of unsuccessful short term stints - Di Maria, Falcao, Bastian, Sanchez - so the prospect of more seems only like adding deadwood. That's where I think its important to follow the manager's lead as much as possible and let him find the right fits. I don't think we've done that enough under Woodward .
£100m ?
At best that is two class players, unless there are top prospects looking to move in January (Pulisic-De Jong- Skriniar etc) we should hold on to until the summer to see who the manager will be.
This squad needs a complete overhaul, Jose or not, I've said for some time we need 6,7 or more to get back to competing at home and abroad, the challenge won't be to get players in, it will be shipping some out !
I would be looking to move on Darmian, Valencia, Young, Jones, Rojo, Linderlof, Fosu-Mensa, Matic, Fellaini, Lingard, Fred, Lukaku and Sanchez for a start, far fetched but I don't think they are either good enough or suited for United, we may also have the embarrassment of losing DeGea, Pogba & Martial (our only 'special' players) if we don't convince them we can get back to being a top team.......not many left is there ?
£100m......try £500m-£600m !
At best that is two class players, unless there are top prospects looking to move in January (Pulisic-De Jong- Skriniar etc) we should hold on to until the summer to see who the manager will be.
This squad needs a complete overhaul, Jose or not, I've said for some time we need 6,7 or more to get back to competing at home and abroad, the challenge won't be to get players in, it will be shipping some out !
I would be looking to move on Darmian, Valencia, Young, Jones, Rojo, Linderlof, Fosu-Mensa, Matic, Fellaini, Lingard, Fred, Lukaku and Sanchez for a start, far fetched but I don't think they are either good enough or suited for United, we may also have the embarrassment of losing DeGea, Pogba & Martial (our only 'special' players) if we don't convince them we can get back to being a top team.......not many left is there ?
£100m......try £500m-£600m !
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