Manchester United name John Murtough as Football Director and Darren Fletcher as Technical Director

Strelok said:
That's been debated to death here mate. We signed Sancho, he and Bruno is quite enough I think. Now we should look to upgrade our McFred.

Anyway, we should not turn this thread into another Pogba one I think, there are already plenty out there.
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we actually need to get the ball to our forward players though. And I think it’s been debated frequently because it’s a legitimate argument.

You were the one who mentioned pogba first mate, and asked for me to explain, but I agree.
 
UNITED ACADEMY said:
And how do you know he lowered the wage demands he was asking other clubs?

No such a thing called a transfer that involves between two clubs are straightforward. You need to convince the player with the project first, meet the agent's demand, meet the player's demand, meet the club's demand, and at the same time make sure all of these suit to the club's condition. This is far complex than just being straightforward, the player is not a free agent!!
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It was well reported that he did.

God you’re just focusing on the semantics. It was straightforward in relation to most transfers, of course there’s a degree of complexity that would confuse the average joe. However if you compare the almost two year protracted transfer saga of Sancho and the month long process it took to get Varane one is straightforward in comparison. Funnily enough there’s even a whole Athletic article about how surprisingly straightforward it was.
 
Hope this is really the light at the end of tunnel.

Ed is leaving and suddenly the team of Ole, Murtough, Judge and Fletcher deliver Sancho and Varane!
And the window is still open. Long may it continue.

We are now looking like a proper big club with plan on recruitment for the right position/player that we need.
Feel like SAF is still in charge.
 
macheda14 said:
It was well reported that he did.

God you’re just focusing on the semantics. It was straightforward in relation to most transfers, of course there’s a degree of complexity that would confuse the average joe. However if you compare the almost two year protracted transfer saga of Sancho and the month long process it took to get Varane one is straightforward in comparison. Funnily enough there’s even a whole Athletic article about how surprisingly straightforward it was.
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What report?

Again, how is Varane more straightforward in comparison to Cavani? Cavani is free agent ffs. Tell me what is this your definition of being straight forward.
 
UNITED ACADEMY said:
What report?

Again, how is Varane more straightforward in comparison to Cavani? Cavani is free agent ffs. Tell me what is this your definition of being straight forward.
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Varane is nearly a free agent and by all accounts only really wanted to come United. No other clubs seriously in the picture. Same with Sancho, with no competiton Its hard to feck up
 
Adnan said:


The scouting - Jim Lawlor and Marcel Bout

Analytics - Mick Court
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So, this crack team of experts, did their thing, probably taking weeks and many thousands in wages, and then deduced that Varane is a good player.
 
Crustanoid said:
So, this crack team of experts, did their thing, probably taking weeks and many thousands in wages, and then deduced that Varane is a good player.
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That would only be a worry if said crack team of experts concluded he wasn't a good player.
 
clarkydaz said:
Varane is nearly a free agent and by all accounts only really wanted to come United. No other clubs seriously in the picture. Same with Sancho, with no competiton Its hard to feck up
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I don't think you understand the argument. I argued that the same logic on Cavani transfer strategy to lower the demand can be used on Varane but we didn't do it and instead we chose to do it sooner for football matter rather than saving more money. But the poster told me that Varane is more straightforward than Cavani which clearly it isn't. Your post is even implying that Varane is like Cavani because Varane is nearly free agent just like Cavani so even you can't explain how Varane is more straightforward than Cavani last year, no one can explain it.
 
UNITED ACADEMY said:
What news? You made it up right? Because 200k p/w was exactly his wages at PSG mate. Why are you still persistent to deny that is not lower. No fat chance Benfica would even pay player for 200k p/w in the first place.
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This is his salary so it does look like we are paying a lot less then he was on at PSG. Salary
 
UNITED ACADEMY said:
What report?

Again, how is Varane more straightforward in comparison to Cavani? Cavani is free agent ffs. Tell me what is this your definition of being straight forward.
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Another Athletic article reports Cavani’s wage demands scuppering deals to other clubs. He lowered his at the end of the window because he wasn’t going to have a club.

Also I wasn’t arguing whether Cavani or Varane wasmore straightforward, just against your premise that Varane wasn’t a straightforward deal, which it was.
 
Tom Van Persie said:
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Genuine question - realistically what would be different here to any other 'big' club that actually matters/makes a difference given he has no ties to Manchester?

Murtough: 'We want to play attacking football, challenge for honours, develop kids from our academy, foster a collegial atmosphere'....
Varane: 'That's great but...'
Murtough: 'And we'll pay you what you are asking'
Varane: 'Done'
 
tomaldinho1 said:
Genuine question - realistically what would be different here to any other 'big' club that actually matters/makes a difference given he has no ties to Manchester?

Murtough: 'We want to play attacking football, challenge for honours, develop kids from our academy, foster a collegial atmosphere'....
Varane: 'That's great but...'
Murtough: 'And we'll pay you what you are asking'
Varane: 'Done'
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Ducker is reporting Madrid offered him more to stay. Clearly this move is about more than money.
 
of course it should be the norm but to give the player the feeling that he is welcomed and that the club has a plan is more important than many think imo. we were soleless for many years when you listen to the stories arround. such presentation may help in fact
 
tomaldinho1 said:
I don't doubt that but, my question is, what actually would we be presenting that is unique to United?
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There isn't anything that's unique to any club, except maybe Bilbao.

He wanted different challenge and experience different league, which is common for player who has won everything. We probably presented the best case for him.
 
tomaldinho1 said:
I don't doubt that but, my question is, what actually would we be presenting that is unique to United?
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We played Madrid in a friendly in USA and the stadium was corner to corner in Red.

United are a massive club which should be signing the top players instead of Madrid and Barcelona more regularly. They’re a bigger appeal than you realise I imagine.

Players like Zlatan and Schweinsteiger have joined and said United is the English club their teammates talk about playing for. Nobody dreams of playing for Chelsea or City, they just have the money to get top players. Whereas you can travel from Pole to Pole and find people absolutely passionate about United.

Bar Liverpool, who are also followed by many passionate fans around the World, even look at the main message boards for other PL teams. Their posts are nowhere near as regular, there’s much less to discuss, there’s much less following and interest. United are simply on a different level

Managers have noted that when United come to play, there’s much more fans around and double the press.
 
tomaldinho1 said:
I don't doubt that but, my question is, what actually would we be presenting that is unique to United?
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Possibly our youthful side, and potentially good looking future. Especially when compared to Madrid who look to be at the start of a rebuild, along with La Liga capping their wages it's going to be a while until they are back on top.
 
tomaldinho1 said:
Genuine question - realistically what would be different here to any other 'big' club that actually matters/makes a difference given he has no ties to Manchester?

Murtough: 'We want to play attacking football, challenge for honours, develop kids from our academy, foster a collegial atmosphere'....
Varane: 'That's great but...'
Murtough: 'And we'll pay you what you are asking'
Varane: 'Done'
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I always remember the interview I saw with a football agent, he was asked something like what factors are important to players when choosing a club and he smiled and replied (in his continental European accent, sounds better if you read it this way) “the size of the cheque, nothing more” (rubbing middle finger and thumb together)
 
lysglimt said:
The Power Point course we sent Fletcher to - really paid off! Had to pay 229 pounds for it though
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Typical, first Phil jones and now they have overspent on a powerpoint course when they could have gotten the same results from skillshare for less than 1/3rd of the cost with an annual subscription, with a further discount to be had if they had just browsed a few YouTube vloggers and used their offer code !!

It is this kind of financial mismanagement that will scupper our chances of a midfielder this summer!
 
vanrooney said:
of course it should be the norm but to give the player the feeling that he is welcomed and that the club has a plan is more important than many think imo. we were soleless for many years when you listen to the stories arround. such presentation may help in fact
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We definitely seem to be on better footing nowadays.
 
LawCharltonBest said:
We played Madrid in a friendly in USA and the stadium was corner to corner in Red.

United are a massive club which should be signing the top players instead of Madrid and Barcelona more regularly. They’re a bigger appeal than you realise I imagine.

Players like Zlatan and Schweinsteiger have joined and said United is the English club their teammates talk about playing for. Nobody dreams of playing for Chelsea or City, they just have the money to get top players. Whereas you can travel from Pole to Pole and find people absolutely passionate about United.

Bar Liverpool, who are also followed by many passionate fans around the World, even look at the main message boards for other PL teams. Their posts are nowhere near as regular, there’s much less to discuss, there’s much less following and interest. United are simply on a different level

Managers have noted that when United come to play, there’s much more fans around and double the press.
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I'm not disputing the history, obviously I am biased as I would pick United over anyone - I guess I'm more asking about what we would actually describe as our 'philosophy' and 'culture' which aren't really tied into the great history and size of the club (and are the two points raised).

P-Nut said:
Possibly our youthful side, and potentially good looking future. Especially when compared to Madrid who look to be at the start of a rebuild, along with La Liga capping their wages it's going to be a while until they are back on top.
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Is that for covid or more general? not heard that if the latter.
 
tomaldinho1 said:
I'm not disputing the history, obviously I am biased as I would pick United over anyone - I guess I'm more asking about what we would actually describe as our 'philosophy' and 'culture' which aren't really tied into the great history and size of the club (and are the two points raised).



Is that for covid or more general? not heard that if the latter.
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Not looked any further in to it, but COVID is likely to be around for a while yet sowouldn’t expect a sudden rise back to previous levels after this season, that would be a terrible decision to slash wages for 1 year and then have all the expenditure of recruiting players back on previous wages a year later
 
It is difficult to say how much influence Fletcher and Murtough have had in comparison to the unique circumstances of the window due to the pandemic and the desire of the board to react to the fan protests towards the Glazers.
 
Tom Van Persie said:
Ducker is reporting Madrid offered him more to stay. Clearly this move is about more than money.
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Could be true or just the narrative United want to Push like Spanish Giants who are masters of it where every player wants to play for them and how they sometimes also take pay cuts to join them .
Just like to add Varane most probably is getting higher wages here but yet his motivation to come here could also be more than money.
 
macheda14 said:
Another Athletic article reports Cavani’s wage demands scuppering deals to other clubs. He lowered his at the end of the window because he wasn’t going to have a club.

Also I wasn’t arguing whether Cavani or Varane wasmore straightforward, just against your premise that Varane wasn’t a straightforward deal, which it was.
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I don’t get it, why are you replying to me if you are clueless about what we were discussing. The poster comparing Cavani and Varane situation by saying one was not straightforward while the other one was.
 
UNITED ACADEMY said:
I don’t get it, why are you replying to me if you are clueless about what we were discussing. The poster comparing Cavani and Varane situation by saying one was not straightforward while the other one was.
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A forum is inevitably an open discussion, rather than you saying one was more than the other, you said that the Varane transfer wasn’t. I said it was and you continued to say it wasn’t. Simple as.
 
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