For now, he decides the general direction and transfer policy of the club. We ve heard how he refused to sanction funds for perisic or about his pitch to hire klopp which was embarrassing . He has been called man with 0 knowledge by an ex manager and another one has questioned organized by ed. If you dint give the right man pwer to make right decisions it will be more of the same. Woodward first and foremost job is to earn money for glazers, a dof job is to ensure team does best now and in future. For someone to align to football objective, he has to be given power, power that woodward wont give up. He could simply walk way from football side and take care of commercial side and not interfere with football decisions but by all accounts he has a veto in decisons which is shocking after 6 years of incompetence.
Man Utd set to appoint Director of Football (when hell freezes over)
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Ah you're one of those. Makes sense. I'll give you credit for at least being open about it.
He didn't refuse to sanction funds for Perisic, Perisic had a contract on the table and rejected the move because Spalletti convinced him to stay. We don't know much about the pitch to hire Klopp and there is nothing embarrassing about stating that United fans value entertainment which is what the available part of the pitch was about.
And the power that DOF would get is taken away from the manager, at the moment all the managers said that they were the ones providing transfer lists, what they complained about is the lack of technical support, none of them complained about being vetoed and all reports says that we have always tried to sign the players that the manager wanted but didn't necessarily succeed whether it is because the players weren't interested or because their clubs asked for too much money.
The CEO will never lose power to one of his subalterns. It's a pyramidal structure, anyone suggesting it has no clue about corporate organization.
Except that in NA GMs (equivalent of a DoF) are hired quite quickly. Every single team has one to oversee scouting, salary negotiations, drafting, free agency, planning, hiring and firing, etc.
aye all about signed up
No they are all signed. Mendy is the one who isn't yet. He is going to sign today apparently. Medical is today.
Google clearly not your friend.
That's due to the top heavy nature of American sports, a front office is made of dozens of people with very specific roles which means that most hires are de facto very narrowed. It can still take several months for a franchise to find someone.
Except that they have deadlines. It’s extremely rare for any franchise to going into a draft/free agency with out a GM.
The amount of incompetence occurring at United is staggering.
There’s reason why Liverpool and City are so far ahead and it has to do with them adopting NA front office formula and getting the right people into the club.
Every summer window you wait is at least one year delaying the opportunity to right the ship.
This search should have been occurring 7 years ago not 7 months ago. That’s all you need to know in terms of how much of a disaster the post-SAF regime has been.
Why, except? We are not contradicting each others.
It's not rare to see GMs get fired after the draft and free agency, for example that's what the Jets did this year.
I must be tiredWhy, except? We are not contradicting each others.
It's not rare to see GMs get fired after the draft and free agency, for example that's what the Jets did this year.
. The Jets aren’t exactly the poster child of franchises who make good/smart decisions.
I must be tired
The Jets aren’t exactly the poster child of franchises who make good/smart decisions.
That's true the Jets aren't a model to follow but the reality is that around half of the other franchises are led by incompetent GMs too and some of them should have put more time into their search. And anyway if there is something to maybe follow in american sports it's the front office build more than simply the GM, the key is in the extreme specialization and the fact that they don't rely on one individual.
None of it is implausible.
But then again, I could write an article based on the above whilst knowing feck all about what's going on behind the scenes, adding a quote or two from unnamed sources for shock value. The Sun model, basically.
My prediction is that, rather conveniently, they will never find the right person to appoint.
Also, this is a Man Utd fan Internet forum: nobody on here knows what they’re talking about. The lucky thing is nobody with any decision making power cares what anybody writes on here.
Absolutely, no GM excels without a great team. The GM like the DoF should be the one to have the power to make the final decision.
Ultimately that’s one of the big issues. Whomever is making the final decisions/planning at United is not doing a good job.
He's written shit articles for the last 3 years now. I'm not gonna go into specifics about his latest article.
There's a reason he's tier 5 on reddit and described on there as a shit source.
God, not the reddit tiers - you can just say you don't like the guy or his work without needing to reference that pile of drivel (they have Daniel Taylor, the best football journalist in the country, on the same tier as Richard Keys, for fecks sake).
Sorry, but I have not read all of the prior 274 pages so if this has been mentioned before I apologize.
I am no way near ready to give up on Ole as manager, and I'm thrilled to see what he can do with his own signings.
But if he should fall short, I'd be very happy to see him in a DoF role, as he clearly knows what to look for in an player - from what he says anyway.
I am no way near ready to give up on Ole as manager, and I'm thrilled to see what he can do with his own signings.
But if he should fall short, I'd be very happy to see him in a DoF role, as he clearly knows what to look for in an player - from what he says anyway.
I agree with Delaney's tier he's a known bullshitter and tier 5 is apt for him.
Taylor is tier 3 possibly should be tier 2 but he doesn't dabble in transfer rumour or talk bollocks like Delaney. If you believe the bollocks from Delaney you'll believe anything.
I highly doubt that. The simple reason is the role isn’t going to be as attractive to those with real experience in a technical/DoF role - the power still lies with Woodward and that will not change.
Are you another newbie with Glazer sympathies? Tell us a bit about yourself?
Aha! Or do they....?
How about Andy Mitten? He published this today:
Manchester United's failure to hire a director of football reveals the indecision gripping the club
https://www.fourfourtwo.com/feature...otball-andy-mitten-maradona-mourinho-van-gaal
It's remarkable how we've managed to turn into 90's and 00's Liverpool. A slavish adoration to past glories and an inability to build for the future.
Andy Mitten was adamant Hererra wasn't going anywhere when he was strongly linked with PSG. His source also let him down on Arturo Vidal.
Mitten also discovered he was tier 4 on reddit and had a bit of a meltdown on the UWS forum he runs. It was hilarious..
Andy Mitten was adamant Hererra wasn't going anywhere when he was strongly linked with PSG. His source also let him down on Arturo Vidal.
Mitten also discovered he was tier 4 on reddit and had a bit of a meltdown on the UWS forum he runs. It was hilarious..
I'd love to see his reaction to it
I prefer to try and engage in actual debate, where people are interested in being objective and open minded, maybe even (shock) learning something or changing their way of thinking.
If I wanted asinine whinging about things with no interest in having a constructive conversation then I'd stick to twitter.
What's interesting is it seems that anything that doesn't ride the narrative of crying about how incompetent people are and repeating the same hapless, miserable comments seems to be described as 'glazer sympathies'. What is that exactly? Considering I haven't discussed the Glazers I've no idea what you're getting at there.
I happen to things that as with most things in life, there's quite a large grey area and we can piss our pants about Woodward needing to be replaced but I don't think it's particularly constructive as I don't think his failings are the only reason we're where we are. Notice I say only reason, I'm not being facetious in clarifying that but my assumption would be that because I haven't nailed him to a cross, you're next step would be to say I have Woodward sympathies.
Interesting that you take issue with this but asserting that he's messing about because he doesn't want to give up any power and wants a yes man is fine. I'm happy for people to disagree with me and counter argue any points I make but you've not really bothered with that at all, have you? No, it's much easier to make sly digs at someone because they have less forum posts than you do. I've put forward some points about why we may be taking a while and provided a counter as to why past appointments suggest we're not simply looking for a 'yes man', how about addressing why that's incorrect rather than suggesting I have Glazer sympathies (seriously, what is this?)
If that happens then sure, let's be up in arms, I'm just not there yet.
I get your point but then ultimately, we're just posting nothing into a void whereas I think a forum is a great place for people with different experience and knowledge to engage with each other and discuss things. I've changed my mind on plenty of things because I've had some great discussions on forums and ultimately decided my initial outlook probably wasn't correct.
Like I said before, I don't bother with twitter anymore because it got rail roaded by trolls who just want to post rubbish and have others validate their pissy moaning and god forbid anyone should disagree with them because they're immediately a target for a barrage of similar abuse.
One aspect of the system that used to be called the newbie system is that people got to know each other a bit better in here before becoming full members. It also meant you didn't have to rehearse your opinions to every new person you met. Of course all these circumstances are not your fault. And thanks for your respectful reply. My view is that the days of figuring out the club structure and making arguments about the merits of Edwood are over.
I did my share of all this; I have been on a journey from approving some of the headling catching buys in the post SAF phase, tracking planes, and taking back harsh words about Ed and the Board etc. I have been at the stage of researching myself who was on the United board and where my hard earned euros were going to. I have been at the stage of reading about the opinions of a parade of managers who passed this way. I have seen the stadium get grubbier and heard nothing from the owners as regards a vision for improvement or any plans for the future. I have listened to commentary from ex players, pundits, even Klopp's testimony of the 'Disneyland for adults' approach to him. I am convinced that accounts that Herrera was asked to take a cut in wages are accurate. I have heard the briefings, the promises of a DOF. I followed the story in detail of The Rock of Gibraltar and the subsequent Glazer takeover. This - and other stuff - have convinced me that Ed is a muppet. A muppet and a puppet.
I don't think I am an expert in affairs pertaining to MUFC, but I am not completely clueless either. It is my view that anyone who cares for the club would inform themselves, and come to their own views. It is not exactly rocket science. Any kind of cursory look shows up a picture that is super depressing and I wish it was otherwise. I am not going to argue out the merits all over again with you, with respect. But these are weird times. For me it is almost incomprehensible how anyone could defend the ownership and CEO. A lot of those voices are brand new in this forum, they write long and closely argued posts. Good to hear that you are an independent voice, open to ideas.
Some supporters have been on this journey of learning about the off-field, backstage story of the club as well as what happens out on the field. For some, it is new territory. To cut to the chase, some, like me, already reached the conclusion that for the future of the club the owners need to go. Not that we can do all that much about it, but if that is the case, a key element will be fans waking up to what has been happening since the leveraged takeover 15 years ago. I am not here to persuade. Fans need to check it out, see what they think makes sense. It is important that fans are aware of organisations like MUST, who did their best at the time of the takeover, and which I as an overseas supporter did not really appreciate back then. The green and gold thing was confusing then. I understand other supporters all have their own journey, because I didnt give a shit about backstage stuff apart from the football for most of my time as a fan.
The finer points of any debate about what Woodward wants have been discussed to death in other parts of this forum, incidentally, so - again, apologies - I do not propose to revisit them here. Best wishes. TCA
Andy Mitten was adamant Hererra wasn't going anywhere when he was strongly linked with PSG. His source also let him down on Arturo Vidal.
Mitten also discovered he was tier 4 on reddit and had a bit of a meltdown on the UWS forum he runs. It was hilarious..
No he didn’t
Appreciate that and the detailed response. I get that these are things that longer standing members may have done to death. You've listed some great points that give food for thought and given me some things to go and read further about.
For the record, I don't take issue with people being unhappy, I've been very frustrated at points over the last 5 years but I try to have good reason for that rather than flocking to whatever the favoured narrative on twitter is, but to understand why and how people have come to that conclusion I personally prefer more than a one line 'because person x is clueless'. It isn't constructive and I can't agree or disagree based on such lacklustre explanation.
To others, I'd just like to point out that asking why you think the way you do doesn't even mean the person asking disagrees with the fundamental point, it's more enquiring as to how you've come to that conclusion so the logic can be weighed up.
A bit like a bus being late and you ask two people why it was. Person A says it's because the company doesn't care about their customers, they're lazy and the driver isn't bothered. Person B has done a bit of research and explains it was late because somebody had gone home sick at short notice and they've had to try and backfill the route they were going to take. Both have the same conclusion, the bus was late but how and why read very differently, one person has simply made assumptions put of anger and the other has considered the actual cause of it and potentially highlighted althe root cause of why it happened and how it could be prevented.
Sorry, appreciate I'm massively digressing but particularly as a new member, I'd prefer to clarify certain things. Again, thanks for your post and taking the time to talk through it.
In this instance, a better analogy is a procession of late buses.
. Suspect I know the (route) cause He did, he threw a strop and was going on about Craig Norwood being tier 1 when he wasn't a journalist and just a Photographer. He also went on saying how he had been a journo for 30 years and seeing himself as tier 4 on reddit really undermined his work for the last 30 years etc. He then went on to point out Mike McGrath of the Sun newspaper being tier 5 and how he was a legit journo who worked hard to get stories (McGrath is a known bullshitter by the way) compared to Craig Norwood who wasn't a journo and was a tier 1 on the site.
He got irked seeing himself as tier 4 and made two posts in a state of annoyance.
It was far from a meltdown - that’s a complete over reaction. He’s right on this nonsense tier system - Craig Norwood is not the clubs photographer, I don’t know how many times that point needs to be made by multiple people every year but yet many peddle the myth that he is (not saying you are in this case btw, just that many do).
As for McGrath (and Alan Nixon), his point was those guys do spend time chasing down stories on transfers specifically, therefore, shouldn’t be discounted by some nonce on reddit. He’s right.
He did get salty about him being tier 4. And i'm sorry but McGrath is awful and amongst the worst when it comes to reliability. His latest exclusive being a completely fabricated story about the Norwich Technical Director being lined up by United which has been rubbished by the man himself.
The only thing McGrath has worked hard on is fabricating transfer rumours. I can't remember him getting anything right.
Noted haha, in my defence, I'm using my phone whilst on a smoke break so it's not ideal.In this instance, a better analogy is a procession of late buses.
The process could one month? I cant work out if you are being deliberately facetious or are actually that delusional.
Also, the indefensible? Look at the reasons being put forward to defend them and answer them, instead of dismissing it because they don't agree with your preconceived notions.
By the way how do you know 'they havent got anywhere'?
Well, usually you’d hope they’d have a shortlist in mind when they released to the press their intention to appoint a DoF. How long did it take us to appoint Ole? 3 days. Football moves quickly and we’re being left behind again. Yes, I know it takes longer for these things, but it’s been 7 months (or actually, 7 years).
Interview your candidates, make an appointment. The fact we’ve gone from being linked with Luis Campos, VDS and Paul Mitchell, to Darren Fletcher and Rio Ferdinand, then Stuart Webber suggests the club has no idea what they’re doing again, and hence I say we haven’t got anywhere.
I await the news that everything I’m saying is wrong, and I hope it is. But I’m not holding my breath.
Great, so lets say they have a shortlist, and number one on that list is approached and an offer made.
"thank you for the offer, i'm going on holiday with my wife where we'll think about it"
And all it suggests is that the press have no idea what we are doing. You seem rather happy to believe a media who time and time again demonstrated they have little idea of what is actually happening.
The only reason I can imagine for the supposed search lasting this long is that "no one" wants the job.
It's not like the club has to choose between hundreds of people, there is probably only a hand full of people out there who both have the CV for the job and are available.
It's not like the club has to choose between hundreds of people, there is probably only a hand full of people out there who both have the CV for the job and are available.
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