His success with Porto in Portugal isn't really relevant. Its his success with them in Europe by way of winning a UEFA Cup and Champions League in consecutive years that is.
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His success with Porto in Portugal isn't really relevant. Its his success with them in Europe by way of winning a UEFA Cup and Champions League in consecutive years that is.
How is it not relevant? Did you actually read my post at all before jumping in?
No, he wouldn't be a Genius manager, have I ever claimed Mourinho is? He'll have done a good job moulding a bunch of big money signings and keeping all the ego's happy, and he'll deserve credit. But he had his chance at Inter and did nothing in the Champions League. Within 2 seasons Mourinho had won it as part of a treble. People seem to find excuses to dismiss Jose's success, give the man a little credit! I can understand the reservations some may have about him completely, but to deny he is a fantastically young gifted manager is silly really.
Well out of his big money signings; Carvalho is still there (Likely to leave, so 6 seasons service), Ferreira is still there, Drogba is still there, Essien is still there, and Wright Phillips was sold (I still think that was an Abramovich signing, along with Shevchenko), so it's certainly not sign lots of big players and let them leave. I agree Ferdinand has been a great buy, but I was just raising the point that Fergie has spent a lot of money building his sides.
If we take 2001 - 2004 for example, Fergie spent £169m on new players. Mourinho between 2004 and 2007 spent £215m (£30m of which went on Shevchenko - an Abramovich signing). So around £50m more, bearing in mind Chelsea were spending at a time when transfer fees were steadily rising. Take out the £30m for Shevchenko and it's around £20m more.
And let's remember our side was already a successful title winning one, albeit one that was coming to it's end. Chelsea were a 4th place chasing side (I think they beat Liverpool on the last day in 02/03 to claim the last CL spot, I could be wrong though), so they needed to spend big to get themselves into a title winning position. Our spending was for Europe mainly, and we failed miserably.
It's all a stupid argument anyway, if Fergie had Abramovich's money he'd bloody well spend it. I don't see why Mourinho gets so much flak for spending money which was there. He proved at his previous 3 clubs before Chelsea he didn't need money (Granted he wasn't at Benfica long), and he didn't spend a huge amount at Inter. It'll be interesting to see his spending this summer at Madrid, because they only need a couple of defensive players to be successful IMO.
Just dawned on me that Shteve McClaren isn't even on the list as a poll option! Quite an oversight, surely, given his success with us as an assistant and his results overseas. He should definitely be on the list, ahead of quite a few of the other candidates on it.
An oversight on my part.
His stock has risen and if he can win the Bundesliga with Wolfsburg, he will probably end up with a relatively big club next.
Next United Manager
Seeing as my old thread (ala https://www.redcafe.net/f6/man-utd-board-warming-inter-milan-boss-mourinho-277497/index39.html) is now locked, guess should just make a new thread. Anyway, SAF's thoughts on the next manager at Manchester United:
Alex Ferguson
Surely Mourinho is the only choice!
Seeing as my old thread (ala https://www.redcafe.net/f6/man-utd-board-warming-inter-milan-boss-mourinho-277497/index39.html) is now locked, guess should just make a new thread. Anyway, SAF's thoughts on the next manager at Manchester United:
Alex Ferguson
Surely Mourinho is the only choice!
Mourinhio IS the only choice, he's way out on his own in required credentials for this job and ill be amazed if he isn't the man who succeeds Fergie.
Alot of lads are rooting for Jose and he will be great here in my opinion, but I honestly think going to Shitty with all that moolah would prove way too tempting for him
Given Madrid's performances thus far, people can't bitch about his only playing ugly, can they? He's been my preferred choice for a while. I'd love it if he came back to England and managed United. Who else has the ego or personality to match aside from Fergie? No one.
He is already in love with United
You can see it in his eyes
My wife is love with him
But feck it i don't care United > wife
Mourinho has to be the number one choice, there is a possibility he might not want to come though, unlikely as it may seem at the moment. Ferguson's departure might not coincide with Mourinho's availability, eg. if Ferguson retires at the end of this season, and TSO doesn't win the Spanish Title or the European Title he might feel he has unfinished business at Madrid. He's said to have a dream of winning the 3 major Leagues of Europe.
Hodgson.
Still want Blanc. No to Mourinho
highly unlikely IMO
Iain Dowie
Rafa 
Mourinho when he turns 50 (3 years) or whenever SAF wants to leave, lets have 20 years of Mourinho, there no man better for the job, and best thing about it he wants it, and he belongs in this league.
Anyone who thinks he plays boring football should look at real madrids recent displays, plus players become very attached to him..... which obviously means Ozil, Ronaldo and Higuan will all want to come to us
Anyone who thinks he plays boring football should look at real madrids recent displays, plus players become very attached to him..... which obviously means Ozil, Ronaldo and Higuan will all want to come to us
Because I don't like Mourinho.
I just don't.
As Bobby Charlton has alluded to he just doesn't seem the Man United type of manager. I don't care about if he does play shite football (points can be made for both arguments tbh)
I just don't like him.
He makes everything about him, he makes some extremely tasteless comments, he doesn't seem to have a history or loyalty with any particular club, his transfers havn't been great, and he's too.. high profile.
We as a club have never been about the biggest and the best. With our transfer policy as others have pointed out we make the players, people adapt to us e don't adapt for them. Someone like Mourinho will come in and want things done this this and that way, he doesn't seem to respect traditions.
He's a safe option. I don't even think he'd be that good out of his comfort zone though. He dropped on at Chelsea and left thier club in a shite position, and he's dropped on at Real with an incredible group of players and a massive transfer buget.
Could also say look at his first few games and it's obvious he plays shite football.
I'm warming to the idea of Mourinho. If the me of last year could see this post he would call me a spastic, but there you go.
I don't think it'll be a long term thing, though.
I don't think it'll be a long term thing, though.
I second Woy
meh - pretty weak argument to be fair. Although I understand why some people might not like his style per se, the bottom line is he is a winner and Manchester United is a club based on winning - so in a simplistic sense our philosophies marry perfectly
I have no preference, I'll happily take whoever the United board think is best for the job.
I like to think we're more than just a winning club.
In the ideal world, yes, we are
In the modern realistic world with the ownership status/financial situation/global fan base, etc - unfortunately no, we aren't really
I think Mourinho is THE unanimous choice. And Rooney says we can't attract any major stars to United. Here is a guy who is longing to come and manage United.
And he's an oracle:
0:50 - '....I like Man United....'
0:50 - '....I like Man United....'
It'll be funny when it happens.
Jan/Feb/Mar/Apr/May 2011/2012/2013/2014 ect ect...:
"Mourinho approached to succeed Ferguson as Manchester United Manager as of next season"
Followed by...
"City offer Mourinho a MASSIVE contract, triple what United are offering".
Mourinho: "City have offered me a big contract, a lot of money. But I have money and I now have an offer from the biggest club in the world. A job that has come up for the first time in nearly 30 years. It is a much bigger job."
Jan/Feb/Mar/Apr/May 2011/2012/2013/2014 ect ect...:
"Mourinho approached to succeed Ferguson as Manchester United Manager as of next season"
Followed by...
"City offer Mourinho a MASSIVE contract, triple what United are offering".
Mourinho: "City have offered me a big contract, a lot of money. But I have money and I now have an offer from the biggest club in the world. A job that has come up for the first time in nearly 30 years. It is a much bigger job."
Same quotes, from the same interview, just printed in the Mail that's all.
Blanc is experienced now. If his handling of the France fiasco doesn't prepare him for everything, I don't know what will.
The man has been a manager for about 3 years!
He won the league title with Bordeaux once and then failed to push on after that and has JUST got the French job (incidentially a 2-1 loss to Norway!)
No where NEAR ready for a top managerial job
The man has been a manager for about 3 years!
He won the league title with Bordeaux once and then failed to push on after that and has JUST got the French job (incidentially a 2-1 loss to Norway!)
No where NEAR ready for a top managerial job
Won the league title with a shite Bordeaux team, had a very successful Champions Leauge stint the next year, and now is slowly, but surely turning France around.
Blanc fecked up monumentally with Bordeaux last season. At the end of January, his club were 9 points clear of 2nd place at the top of the table, 11 points clear of Marseille. They managed to turn that into a 14 point deficit to champions Marseille by the end of the season, and finished 6th.
I wonder if SAF would step aside if Mourinho became available in the near future.
Oh no doubt, but I do believe the fact they were involved in Europe and really were achieving way above where they could realistically finish had some part to pay in that. Players like Gourcuff and Chamakh who he'd made had been turned onto something new. Sometimes you just can't push on. As Mourinhos never been at a club for three seasons, you might not see that with him.
What could be more tempting than replacing Sir Alex? 1 or 2 millions more?
Not so much step aside but i do believe Fergies retirement and Mourinhios project at Real ending will coincide, i think Fergie will be here for another 2-3 years max and that will then be 3 years at Madrid for Mourinhio.
As for Mourinhio not staying at clubs very long, well if he hadn't of fallen out with abramovich (who was interfering in matters he shouldn't have been) he could very well still be at Chelsea, he's always maintained England is his home he loves the football, he believes its his football, always remember him when speaking the night after he was sacked at Chelsea he said he'd definitely be back to manage in England as he loved the game here, so i could easily see him settling down with us for a good 10 years if given the job.
Point would be where else is there to go? he'd have done Real Madrid the biggest there is in Spain, he'd have done Inter Milan the top club in Italy and he's already done Chelsea, he's managed in all the major leagues at the top clubs, there'd be no reason to leave, there'd be no one to go to plus he's said he wants to manage Portugal one day but not before he's 60 or something like that.
I could easily see him managing at Madrid for another 2 years or so, winning what he wants then taking over after Fergies called it a day and managing us for a long time.
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