Fergie certainly rates him and he'll have a big say in who takes over.
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Fergie certainly rates him and he'll have a big say in who takes over.
Moyes hasn't really won anything, Mourinho is the best choice from that list.
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That makes an awful lot of sense. (I'm sure everyone else can also see that....if they choose to).I smell BS. Hasn't it already been revealed that, he can leave after the second year, for a set fee? Real certainly wouldn't have agreed to something whereby Mourinho would hold all the cards and would not have wanted to be shown up by him leaving them to come to us. Perez's ego is just far too big for that.
Its only a matter of time. The only issue I have is whether or not he'll stay long term at United, he may find peace at a decent, well run club that offers him complete control over all departments.
With SAF guiding him from the board, he'd be a beast. Gets my full support.
With SAF guiding him from the board, he'd be a beast. Gets my full support.
Larry White seems increasingly improbable given that he'll be with the French National Team for probably years, and if he isn't, then I doubt we'll hire someone who just flopped.
Moyes hasn't really won anything, Mourinho is the best choice from that list.
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phelans shorts
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Fergie certainly rates him and he'll have a big say in who takes over.
He clearly rates the Portuguese bloke quite highly aswell.
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If Mourinho doesn't come to us there's going to be some irked posters around here
Moriarty
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He clearly rates the Portuguese bloke quite highly aswell.
Sure, but I've always had a sneaking suspicion that Moyes will one day get the United job. As I recall, Fergie tried to get him to join us when Moyes was at Preston some years ago.
I'd like to see Jose given a shot at the job too but would he be interested in joining a team where his transfer funds were limited?
Laphroaig
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What are people's thoughts about Loew? I've no idea what he was up to before he joined Klinsmann. But I like the brand of football his Germany side play, it's something that is compatible with the United way, and his faith in youth and willingness to give them a chance. Lack of experience with proper club football might be a big problem.
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Sure, but I've always had a sneaking suspicion that Moyes will one day get the United job. As I recall, Fergie tried to get him to join us when Moyes was at Preston some years ago.
I'd like to see Jose given a shot at the job too but would he be interested in joining a team where his transfer funds were limited?
There's no reason to believe that he wouldn't want to take on our job, imagine it's billing as his biggest job yet, he couldn't resist.
What are people's thoughts about Loew? I've no idea what he was up to before he joined Klinsmann. But I like the brand of football his Germany side play, it's something that is compatible with the United way, and his faith in youth and willingness to give them a chance. Lack of experience with proper club football might be a big problem.
He managed Stuttgart mid to late 90's and Austria Vienna before joining klinsmann, several other smaller jobs to.
Dans
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Why would Mourinho come to a club that doesn't make significant funds available? Mourinho won all he did with Inter and Chelsea with a huge pot of money.
I can't help but think that the United job is not as attractive to someone like Mourinho as it once was.
I think a manager like Moyes who gets results on a smaller budget is a more likely scenario.
I can't help but think that the United job is not as attractive to someone like Mourinho as it once was.
I think a manager like Moyes who gets results on a smaller budget is a more likely scenario.
Why would Mourinho come to a club that doesn't make significant funds available? Mourinho won all he did with Inter and Chelsea with a huge pot of money.
I can't help but think that the United job is not as attractive to someone like Mourinho as it once was.
I think a manager like Moyes who gets results on a smaller budget is a more likely scenario.
What type of spending did he do at Inter ? How about Porto ? Hardly more than we've done in recent years is it ?
Also, what evidence is there that Moyes would in any way be successful at United ? Having Everton finish in the top four is good, but what about the years when they finished 17th and 11th ? Hardly anything to celebrate, much less worthy of being promoted to manage the biggest club in the world is it.
Dans
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What type of spending did he do at Inter ? How about Porto ? Hardly more than we've done in recent years is it ?
Also, what evidence is there that Moyes would in any way be successful at United ? Having Everton finish in the top four is good, but what about the years when they finished 17th and 11th ? Hardly anything to celebrate, much less worthy of being promoted to manage the biggest club in the world is it.
Muntari (not cheap), Quaresma (flop), Milito.......to name but three.
I don't disagree with what you say about Moyes. I am not advocating him, but what I am saying is that Moyes is the kind of manager I can see our owners going for.
Dans
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Add to that list Sneijder, Motta, Lucio..........
Not entirely sure where you're going with all of this. A: He won a CL with the squad and B: How are these players any different than what we've spent under the Glazers in recent years with Nani, Hargreaves, Anderson, Tevez (rented), Berbatov etc.
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Hardly anything to celebrate, much less worthy of being promoted to manage the biggest club in the world is it.
Do you think Fergie would agree with you?
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If Mourinho doesn't come to us there's going to be some irked posters around here
And one in me that would be chuffed to bits, hate the fecker. I would like to see the German coach get a try.
Do you think Fergie would agree with you?
Who knows as none of us know him, nor do we know exactly how he feels bar the scraps of limited quotes.
Muntari (not cheap), Quaresma (flop), Milito.......to name but three.
I don't disagree with what you say about Moyes. I am not advocating him, but what I am saying is that Moyes is the kind of manager I can see our owners going for.
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At Inter he brought in Lucio for €5m, Quaresma for €18m, Motta for €7.5m, he swapped Eto'o for Ibrahimovic, Sneijder for €15m (Absolute bargain), Milito for €11m as well as bringing in Pandev on a free. So that's about €56m in transfer fees since he joined, bearing in mind they recieved about €40m for Ibrahimovic,not a huge amount and and a very low net spend. Then you look at the youth players he's promoted from the reserves, such as Balotelli, Stefanovic, Santon as well as a few more. So he's certainly building a very good team there.
Then you look at how much our team cost - Vidic £7m, Ferdinand £30m, Evra, £5m, Nani £17m, Valencia £18m, Carrick £18m, Rooney £30m, Berbatov £30m, Anderson £17m, Hargreaves £18m. That's roughly £191m right there. This myth seems to be spreading that Fergie has spent virtually naught building his squad when in fact he's spent a hell of a lot. Yet some criticise Mourinho for spending money. Odd!
Do you think Fergie would agree with you?
Do you think Fergie would agree with you on Mourinho?
Dans
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Not entirely sure where you're going with all of this. A: He won a CL with the squad and B: How are these players any different than what we've spent under the Glazers in recent years with Nani, Hargreaves, Anderson, Tevez (rented), Berbatov etc.
It's fairly obvious. We haven't spent anything in recent years - Berbatov being the disappointing exception. I expect the frugality to continue and that not to be attractive to a man like Mourinho. Understand where I am going now? Arse. Head. Out. Of.
Dans
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At Inter he brought in Lucio for €5m, Quaresma for €18m, Motta for €7.5m, he swapped Eto'o for Ibrahimovic, Sneijder for €15m (Absolute bargain), Milito for €11m as well as bringing in Pandev on a free. So that's about €56m in transfer fees since he joined, bearing in mind they recieved about €40m for Ibrahimovic,not a huge amount and and a very low net spend. Then you look at the youth players he's promoted from the reserves, such as Balotelli, Stefanovic, Santon as well as a few more. So he's certainly building a very good team there.
Then you look at how much our team cost - Vidic £7m, Ferdinand £30m, Evra, £5m, Nani £17m, Valencia £18m, Carrick £18m, Rooney £30m, Berbatov £30m, Anderson £17m, Hargreaves £18m. That's roughly £191m right there. This myth seems to be spreading that Fergie has spent virtually naught building his squad when in fact he's spent a hell of a lot. Yet some criticise Mourinho for spending money. Odd!
Take the ludicrous fee for Ibrahamovic out of the equation and he has spent a lot of money. United don't have a player they could sell for that much - we already sold him and barely have reinvested.
See the post above that I made in response to Raoul - you will see that I am not suggesting Mourinho is not a worthy manager for United, rather that I think he will want significant funds. Given he said he wants to manage Rooney, those funds will have to come from our owners and I for one do not believe they will be forthcoming.
Suedesi
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What's funny is that most of the good buys (lucio, sneijder, motta, milito) were all branca's purchases.
the players that JM wanted at inter like quaresma and mancini cost a lot and flopped.
the players that JM wanted at inter like quaresma and mancini cost a lot and flopped.
It's fairly obvious. We haven't spent anything in recent year - Berbatov being the disappointing exception. I expect the frugality to continue and that not to be attractive to a man like Mourinho. Understand where I am going now? Arse. Head. Out. Of.
"We haven't spent anything in recent year"
Well, Berba cost roughly 30m and irrespective of his lack of effectiveness, that's still a lot. But since you mentioned Berba, lets also not forget the players who have been bought between Berba and now.
Hernandez - 7m
Smalling - 8m
Valencia - 16m
Tosic - 9m
Diouf - Undisclosed
De Laet - Undisclosed
(I'm probably forgetting someone)
So that's 70m spent in less than two seasons, with a bit of this summer still to go. Given that Diouf and De Laet's fees are undisclosed it may be as high as 80m.
I'd say that debunks the idea that we haven't spent much. It also debunks the idea that Mourinho, who himself has proven he can do a lot with a little at Porto, a lot with a moderate amount at Inter, and a lot with a lot at Chelsea- couldn't work with our budgets.
Spoony
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"We haven't spent anything in recent year"
Well, Berba cost roughly 30m and irrespective of his lack of effectiveness, that's still a lot. But since you mentioned Berba, lets also not forget the players who have been bought between Berba and now.
Hernandez - 7m
Smalling - 8m
Valencia - 16m
Tosic - 9m
Diouf - Undisclosed
De Laet - Undisclosed
(I'm probably forgetting someone)
So that's 70m spent in less than two seasons, with a bit of this summer still to go. Given that Diouf and De Laet's fees are undisclosed it may be as high as 80m.
I'd say that debunks the idea that we haven't spent much. It also debunks the idea that Mourinho, who himself has proven he can do a lot with a little at Porto, a lot with a moderate amount at Inter, and a lot with a lot at Chelsea- couldn't work with our budgets.
Net spending, though. We've balanced the books that's for sure. But we'll see how this summer goes. . .I doubt we'll be spending big.
Dans
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"We haven't spent anything in recent year"
Well, Berba cost roughly 30m and irrespective of his lack of effectiveness, that's still a lot. But since you mentioned Berba, lets also not forget the players who have been bought between Berba and now.
Hernandez - 7m
Smalling - 8m
Valencia - 16m
Tosic - 9m
Diouf - Undisclosed
De Laet - Undisclosed
(I'm probably forgetting someone)
So that's 70m spent in less than two seasons, with a bit of this summer still to go. Given that Diouf and De Laet's fees are undisclosed it may be as high as 80m.
I'd say that debunks the idea that we haven't spent much. It also debunks the idea that Mourinho, who himself has proven he can do a lot with a little at Porto, a lot with a moderate amount at Inter, and a lot with a lot at Chelsea- couldn't work with our budgets.
We have bought Valencia, Smalling and Tosic in "recent years". Tosic is now gone.
In the past we bought RVN, Ronaldo, Rooney, Rio for big sums.
Lately, the "big name" for whom we invested is Berbatov.
See the picture here?
Again, why do you have to harp on about Mourinho achieving a lot (as a young manager) at Porto? Porto is not United. At United he will not want to try and acheive success on a budget.
The money simply is not being made available to buy top class players any more. Instead we get Hernandez, Valencia, Tosic and Smalling. We aren't going to get it done at the top level with those signings whilst our aging stars manage one last season.
Net spending, though. We've balanced the books that's for sure. But we'll see how this summer goes. . .I doubt we'll be spending big.
I'm not sure that Ronaldo's sale, which was inevitable given that he wanted to leave, can be used as a counterargument of what we've actually spent, much of which was before he left.
We have bought Valencia, Smalling and Tosic in "recent years". Tosic is now gone.
In the past we bought RVN, Ronaldo, Rooney, Rio for big sums.
Lately, the "big name" for whom we invested is Berbatov.
See the picture here?
Again, why do you have to harp on about Mourinho achieving a lot (as a young manager) at Porto? Porto is not United. At United he will not want to try and acheive success on a budget.
The money simply is not being made available to buy top class players any more. Instead we get Hernandez, Valencia, Tosic and Smalling. We aren't going to get it done at the top level with those signings whilst our aging stars manage one last season.
You mentioned Berba who we bought two years ago, and I merely mentioned the additional players we bought since he arrived - which speaks to the fact that we haven't really been as cheap as many have suggested, as well as the fact that the amount we've spent since buying Berba is well within the parameters of what someone like Mourinho would need to be successful. Tosic having left is completely irrelevant to the broader point - namely that we bought him within the past couple of years.
BaldwinLegend
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Do you think Fergie would agree with you on Mourinho?
Yes I do actually - I highly doubt the man from Govan is as impressed as you are by all of Mourinho's antics.
Spoony
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I'm not sure that Ronaldo's sale, which was inevitable given that he wanted to leave, can be used as a counterargument of what we've actually spent, much of which was before he left.
It's money in the bank, so of course it can be used. But he's not the only player we've sold over the last few seasons, is he. As I said, we've been balancing the books, which from a business sense makes sense considering the debt and economic climate. Again, we'll have to wait and see what happens over the next few weeks. I'm hoping Fergie's given the funds to buy at least one quality player(not named Joe Cole. . .). This argument's futile and pointless though. . .because none of us know if Fergie'll be purchasing anyone this summer. My gut(see I'm guessing too) feeling is don't hold ye breath - Hope I'm wrong though.
BaldwinLegend
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This myth seems to be spreading that Fergie has spent virtually naught building his squad when in fact he's spent a hell of a lot. Yet some criticise Mourinho for spending money. Odd!
I don't criticise Mourinho for spending money. I do point out, however, that he was attached to a project at Chelsea where money was spent rapidly in order to achieve short term success, and that traditionally United have built and maintained their squad with great care and thought, and investment, but to a long term plan.
It's similar to City currently - if City win the league this season, is Mancini a genius manager or do the owners in Abu Dhabi not deserve some of the credit in bankrolling his efforts?
You've pointed out the investment United have made in their squad and mentioned Rio but Rio was bought 8 seasons ago - while it was a lot of money, the length of service he has given and the success United have had in that time more than justify it and make it look an excellent investment. How many of Mourinho's personal signings have given their clubs 8 years of similar service?
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How can anyone justify statements like: 'Mourinho only likes big clubs with plenty of money to spend' etc - you know the man then do you?!
Anyone who thinks there is a better choice than Jose Mourinho at the moment is utterly deluded to put it kindly....and if anything the Glazers would want exactly someone like him (guaranteed success of some sort) rather than risking it on a young inexperienced (at winning things) manager. If I was an owner that's what I would do anyway.
Anyone who thinks there is a better choice than Jose Mourinho at the moment is utterly deluded to put it kindly....and if anything the Glazers would want exactly someone like him (guaranteed success of some sort) rather than risking it on a young inexperienced (at winning things) manager. If I was an owner that's what I would do anyway.
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He may not even want to come to United.
How can anyone justify statements like: 'Mourinho only likes big clubs with plenty of money to spend' etc - you know the man then do you?!
Anyone who thinks there is a better choice than Jose Mourinho at the moment is utterly deluded to put it kindly....and if anything the Glazers would want exactly someone like him (guaranteed success of some sort) rather than risking it on a young inexperienced (at winning things) manager. If I was an owner that's what I would do anyway.
Good points. He's managed immense success on a small budget at Porto, a moderate one at Inter, and a very big one at Chelsea - which is why I think the money angle is not a valid counterargument against Mourinho.
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Anyone who thinks there is a better choice than Jose Mourinho at the moment is utterly deluded to put it kindly
This is the kind of stupid comment that winds people up. I am fine if you think Mourinho's the best man for the job, but there are a lot of other very good managers around that haven't acheived the success he has as they haven't had the chance to manage at a big club and may be a better fit to the ethos and history of the club.
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This is the kind of stupid comment that winds people up. I am fine if you think Mourinho's the best man for the job, but there are a lot of other very good managers around that haven't acheived the success he has as they haven't had the chance to manage at a big club and may be a better fit to the ethos and history of the club.
Sure there are, but as of right now is there really other manager who looks right for the job, and has most if not all the right credentials?
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This is the kind of stupid comment that winds people up. I am fine if you think Mourinho's the best man for the job, but there are a lot of other very good managers around that haven't acheived the success he has as they haven't had the chance to manage at a big club and may be a better fit to the ethos and history of the club.
Mourinho is no Pep Guardiola; he didn't walk into a ready-made team. Mourinho was NOT given a chance, but fashioned one out of Porto and for good measure won BOTH European cups back-to-back. That's the whole point, you have to make your own chances unless you're someone like Guardiola where the machine (or atleast the bulk of it) is just handed to you.
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Mourinho is no Pep Guardiola; he didn't walk into a ready-made team. Mourinho was NOT given a chance, but fashioned one out of Porto and for good measure won BOTH European cups back-to-back. That's the whole point, you have to make your own chances unless you're someone like Guardiola where the machine (or atleast the bulk of it) is just handed to you.
He got his chance at Porto and he took it and kicked on from there. Porto are not exactly a small club in Portugal.
He got his chance at Porto and he took it and kicked on from there. Porto are not exactly a small club in Portugal.
Not in Portugal but in Europe they are.
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