Man Utd board warming to Inter Milan boss Mourinho

Who should replace SAF after he retires ?

  • Jose Mourinho

    Votes: 270 58.1%

  • Laurent Blanc

    Votes: 61 13.1%

  • Steve Bruce

    Votes: 8 1.7%

  • Roy Keane

    Votes: 4 0.9%

  • Ole Gunnar Solskjaer

    Votes: 25 5.4%

  • Fabio Capello

    Votes: 10 2.2%

  • Pep Guardiola

    Votes: 8 1.7%

  • Arsene Wenger

    Votes: 5 1.1%

  • Mark Hughes

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • David Moyes

    Votes: 17 3.7%

  • Gus Hiddink

    Votes: 9 1.9%

  • Ottmar Hitzfeld

    Votes: 2 0.4%

  • Eric Cantona

    Votes: 12 2.6%

  • Alec McCleish

    Votes: 1 0.2%

  • Frank Rijkaard

    Votes: 2 0.4%

  • Louis Van Gaal

    Votes: 2 0.4%

  • Mike Phelan

    Votes: 1 0.2%

  • Carlos Quieroz

    Votes: 2 0.4%

  • Dick Advocaat

    Votes: 4 0.9%

  • Harry Redknapp

    Votes: 1 0.2%

  • Marcello Lippi

    Votes: 2 0.4%

  • Martin O'Neill

    Votes: 19 4.1%
  • Total voters
    465
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Raoul said:
Nothing wrong with the terms as long as they're backed up with examples. I stand by my previous comments that the likes of Moyes, O'Neill, etc haven't done anything even reasonably credible enough to manage United.
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Which again is your opinion, and subjective.

O'Neill actually has a very good record and won trophies. He wouldn't be my choice but he's got pedigree. I've already said all I need about Moyes.

It's obvious you have no intention to involve yourself in a decent discussion as you've made your selection and are closed minded about this topic.
 
Raoul said:
Nothing wrong with the terms as long as they're backed up with examples. I stand by my previous comments that the likes of Moyes, O'Neill, etc haven't done anything even reasonably credible enough to manage United.
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Are you wumming? Firstly, O'Neill and Moyes aren't remotely comparable as O'Neill has won far more than Moyes.

Also, what does someone have to do to convince you? There are managers out there working at some of Europe's marquee clubs with far less convincing CVs than Moyes or especially O'Neill - Guardiola, Leonardo, Pelligrini etc etc

Under your criteria, none of them would ever have been given a chance...
 
BaldwinLegend said:
Are you wumming? Firstly, O'Neill and Moyes aren't remotely comparable as O'Neill has won far more than Moyes.

Also, what does someone have to do to convince you? There are managers out there working at some of Europe's marquee clubs with far less convincing CVs than Moyes or especially O'Neill - Guardiola, Leonardo, Pelligrini etc etc

Under your criteria, none of them would ever have been given a chance...
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Guardiola was handed the keys to one of the best sides in Europe, arguably the best. Hell I'm pretty sure I could do well there. Some of his decisions over the two legs against Inter were baffling though and his naivity shone through. Also getting rid of Eto'o and replacing him with Ibrahimovic was a bad move, I think.
 
esmufc10 said:
I don't know what Mourinho has to do for some people.
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How about stay at a club for a long period of time, build up an attractive and successful style of football, and work successfully with young players for starters?

Can you name 5 young players he's brought through the ranks in his 15 or so years in management?

If not, what makes you think he'd be suitable for managing Manchester United?
 
BaldwinLegend said:
what makes you think he'd be suitable for managing Manchester United?
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Porto

Portuguese Liga (2): 2002–03, 2003–04
Portuguese Cup (1): 2002–03
Portuguese SuperCup (1): 2003
UEFA Cup (1): 2002–03
UEFA Champions League (1): 2003–04

Chelsea

FA Premier League (2): 2004–05, 2005–06
FA Cup (1): 2006–07
League Cup (2): 2004–05, 2006–07
FA Community Shield (1): 2005

Internazionale

Serie A (1): 2008–09
Supercoppa Italiana (1): 2008
UEFA Champions League Final 2010 (To Be Played)

Individual honours

UEFA Manager of the Year (1): 2003
UEFA Champions League Manager of the Year (2): 2002–03, 2003–04
UEFA Team of the Year Coach of the Year (3): 2003, 2004, 2005
Onze d'Or European Coach (1): 2005
IFFHS World Manager of the Year (2): 2004, 2005
World Soccer Magazine Coach of the Year (2): 2004, 2005
BBC Sports Personality of Year Coach Award (1): 2005
FA Premier League Manager of the Year (2): 2004–05, 2005–06
FA Premier League Manager of the Month (3): November 2004, January 2005, March 2007
Serie A Coach of the Year Manager of the Year (1): 2009
 
esmufc10 said:
Guardiola was handed the keys to one of the best sides in Europe, arguably the best. Hell I'm pretty sure I could do well there. Some of his decisions over the two legs against Inter were baffling though and his naivity shone through. Also getting rid of Eto'o and replacing him with Ibrahimovic was a bad move, I think.
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Deary me. Irony of ironies, you seem to be appraising him based almost entirely on tonight?

You do know he won the Champion's League last year, right?

Suppose you think they'd have won that with you at the helm?
 
If it were up to me, I'd not count the trophies "won" by him while at Chelsea and Inter. If he wins the CL this season, I might count it as his first achievement since his cheat+fluke of a CL win with Porto.
 
OK, who would make a better manager than Mourinho at United?

Some unproven young manager i.e. Roberto Martinez? His teams play loverly football afterall, hell, who cares about silverware eh?
 
Plan M said:
Porto

Portuguese Liga (2): 2002–03, 2003–04
Portuguese Cup (1): 2002–03
Portuguese SuperCup (1): 2003
UEFA Cup (1): 2002–03
UEFA Champions League (1): 2003–04

Chelsea

FA Premier League (2): 2004–05, 2005–06
FA Cup (1): 2006–07
League Cup (2): 2004–05, 2006–07
FA Community Shield (1): 2005

Internazionale

Serie A (1): 2008–09
Supercoppa Italiana (1): 2008
UEFA Champions League Final 2010 (To Be Played)

Individual honours

UEFA Manager of the Year (1): 2003
UEFA Champions League Manager of the Year (2): 2002–03, 2003–04
UEFA Team of the Year Coach of the Year (3): 2003, 2004, 2005
Onze d'Or European Coach (1): 2005
IFFHS World Manager of the Year (2): 2004, 2005
World Soccer Magazine Coach of the Year (2): 2004, 2005
BBC Sports Personality of Year Coach Award (1): 2005
FA Premier League Manager of the Year (2): 2004–05, 2005–06
FA Premier League Manager of the Month (3): November 2004, January 2005, March 2007
Serie A Coach of the Year Manager of the Year (1): 2009
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BaldwinLegend, you just got served.
 
Uncle Junior said:
If it were up to me, I'd not count the trophies "won" by him while at Chelsea and Inter. If he wins the CL this season, I might count it as his first achievement since his cheat+fluke of a CL with Porto.
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Was it a fluke when Terry slipped in Moscow and we won the European Cup then?

But you're all right of course, we never spend big money on players to win things, do we? Fergie finds them all down his local park and makes them stars.
 
BaldwinLegend said:
Deary me. Irony of ironies, you seem to be appraising him based almost entirely on tonight?

You do know he won the Champion's League last year, right?

Suppose you think they'd have won that with you at the helm?
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He won it yes, but he should have been knocked out against Chelsea as they were completely outclassed for 180 minutes, and against us we were missing the 2 players in Fletcher and Hargreaves that, against Barcelona, you really do not want to be missing.

He was shown up this year, especially in the Champions League. Their away record is woeful and wins against Stuttgaart and a severely depleted Arsenal side masked their problems.
 
BaldwinLegend said:
Are you wumming? Firstly, O'Neill and Moyes aren't remotely comparable as O'Neill has won far more than Moyes.

Also, what does someone have to do to convince you? There are managers out there working at some of Europe's marquee clubs with far less convincing CVs than Moyes or especially O'Neill - Guardiola, Leonardo, Pelligrini etc etc

Under your criteria, none of them would ever have been given a chance...
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Nowhere did i say there weren't other candidates. The point here is that Moyes hasn't proven himself - and if anything, the three examples you cited tend to work against your original point since Pep inherited a world class side that was a step away from winning it all and probably would have done so under Riijkard. As for Leonardo and Pelligrini, its not working out very well for them is it. Pelligrini, despite having spent something like 200m on him, hasn't managed to take Real any further than they were last year. If you want to cite a very good manager who has won in England, won the UEFA Cup, the Champions League, won in Italy, won wherever he's managed - then Mourinho is the only logical candidate for the job. Taking a team like Porto all the way to win major European trophies in consecutive years - that's impressive. Never mind what he did at Chelsea or is doing now at Inter.
 
Plan M said:
Was it a fluke when Terry slipped in Moscow and we won the European Cup then?

But you're all right of course, we never spend big money on players to win things, do we? Fergie finds them all down his local park and makes them stars.
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And when Drogba and Lampard hit the post/crossbar. Bayern did the same in '99. We rode our luck heavily in both finals, but when all said and done, who gives a flying feck?
 
BaldwinLegend said:
It just blows my mind that his supporters here have, literally, only used the argument that he would 'win' in his favour.

I've not read anything about his football style or his philosophy on the game.

Quite embarrassing to see that no one gives a toss about that and just want trophies at any cost...
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It isn't that either. I don't understand why people are getting so excited to the point of obsession about someone who may become our next manager.

My view on the next manager and this from what I've read is Fergie's view too is that it will be whoever is doing well at the time. Football management is a funny world. One minute you are great and the next you are useless. Who knows what manager is where when Fergie retires.

For all you know Mourinho may have some spectacular failures and be considered "past it" etc. Look at Sven, 7 years ago he was days from being the next United manager and now he is considered useless.

Moyes, O'Neill etc may make bad career moves and see themselves fall out of favor. Who knows? And once your career takes a path for the worst it is very difficult to rebuild that rep. Ask Roy Hodgson.

For now, let us enjoy having one of the greatest club managers of all time at the helm for another 2-3 years (and I do think he'll be incharge that long) and lets see where we are then.
 
I remember the CAF campaign a few years ago during Ipswich's good run of Prem form that George Burley should replace Fergie after he retires. :smirk:
 
Mourinho is a born winner. If people can forget he was a Chelsea and his Porto side knocked us out of Europe a few years back, you'll surely see that he is as good a candidate as anyone to take over?

He's young - we need a manager who will stay around for years and build a side which will continue to win silverware.

He's confident - it rubs off on the players.

He speaks many different languages - always helps in the modern football dressing room.

He's outspoken - takes the pressure away from the players.

He's a BORN WINNER.
 
Raoul said:
Nowhere did i say there weren't other candidates. The point here is that Moyes hasn't proven himself - and if anything, the three examples you cited tend to work against your original point since Pep inherited a world class side that was a step away from winning it all and probably would have done so under Riijkard. As for Leonardo and Pelligrini, its not working out very well for them is it. Pelligrini, despite having spent something like 200m on him, hasn't managed to take Real any further than they were last year. If you want to cite a very good manager who has won in England, won the UEFA Cup, the Champions League, won in Italy, won wherever he's managed - then Mourinho is the only logical candidate for the job. Taking a team like Porto all the way to win major European trophies in consecutive years - that's impressive. Never mind what he did at Chelsea or is doing now at Inter.
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I disagree with most of this.

Of the Barca players starting tonight, how many played under Rijkard?

Don't underestimate the rebuilding job Guardiola has undertaken at Barca - he kicked out Ronaldinho and Eto'o and has rebuilt a team around Messi, introducing a lot of new blood to do so.

Dismissing his work is naive and uninformed - he's done far more than you've given him credit for.

Leonardo has turned AC Milan around after a dreadful start - he's showing promise and, surprise surprise, is benefitting from being given time by his club.
 
Plan M said:
Was it a fluke when Terry slipped in Moscow and we won the European Cup then?
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Maybe it was, maybe it wasn't, but let's talk about Porto's games against us and the refereeing in the year they last won the CL. That was tactical masterclass by Mourinho, wasn't it? Or the fact that he had endless supply of cash at Chelsea while we were rebuilding? Or that all the teams in Serie A were fecked, bar Inter, and guess who goes there to manage them while the others get back to their feet?

Plan M said:
But you're all right of course, we never spend big money on players to win things, do we? Fergie finds them all down his local park and makes them stars.
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SAF does both. How old were Rooney and Ronaldo when he bought them and played them? Do you really want me to dive into SAF's record re: giving youngsters a chance? Deary me!

Now name 5 players that Mourinho has bought up from the youth setup like someone asked above.
 
datura said:
That's pretty much the same post as you made earlier. Unless you have something of substance to post, don't bother.
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You don't see the validity of someone thinking it would be baffling to propose Moyes, a manager who hasn't accomplished anything whatsoever, to replace Fergie, over Mourinho- who has won everything under the sun ?
 
Plan M said:
Mourinho is a born winner. If people can forget he was a Chelsea and his Porto side knocked us out of Europe a few years back, you'll surely see that he is as good a candidate as anyone to take over?

He's young - we need a manager who will stay around for years and build a side which will continue to win silverware.

He's confident - it rubs off on the players.

He speaks many different languages - always helps in the modern football dressing room.

He's outspoken - takes the pressure away from the players.

He's a BORN WINNER.
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Are you gay?
 
Raoul said:
You don't see the validity of someone thinking it would be baffling to propose Moyes, a manager who hasn't accomplished anything whatsoever, to replace Fergie, over Mourinho- who has won everything under the sun ?
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Thanks Raoul, I'm glad someone has half a brain around here.
 
Raoul said:
You don't see the validity of someone thinking it would be baffling to propose Moyes, a manager who hasn't accomplished anything whatsoever, to replace Fergie, over Mourinho- who has won everything under the sun ?
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He has cracked the much coveted 4th place, even after losing Wayne Rooney. His record with his buys is fecking excellent to say the least. He is British, believe it or not, it matters (for example Rooney vs. Ronaldo and their "dreams" and "Gods"). His youth policy is solid as well. The fact that he is at a mid-table team doesn't let him win trophies after trophies, but don't let that blind you. He's a cracking manager. Just look at how he's done this season despite the injury situation at Everton.
 
Plan M said:
Porto

Portuguese Liga (2): 2002–03, 2003–04
Portuguese Cup (1): 2002–03
Portuguese SuperCup (1): 2003
UEFA Cup (1): 2002–03
UEFA Champions League (1): 2003–04

Chelsea

FA Premier League (2): 2004–05, 2005–06
FA Cup (1): 2006–07
League Cup (2): 2004–05, 2006–07
FA Community Shield (1): 2005

Internazionale

Serie A (1): 2008–09
Supercoppa Italiana (1): 2008
UEFA Champions League Final 2010 (To Be Played)

Individual honours

UEFA Manager of the Year (1): 2003
UEFA Champions League Manager of the Year (2): 2002–03, 2003–04
UEFA Team of the Year Coach of the Year (3): 2003, 2004, 2005
Onze d'Or European Coach (1): 2005
IFFHS World Manager of the Year (2): 2004, 2005
World Soccer Magazine Coach of the Year (2): 2004, 2005
BBC Sports Personality of Year Coach Award (1): 2005
FA Premier League Manager of the Year (2): 2004–05, 2005–06
FA Premier League Manager of the Month (3): November 2004, January 2005, March 2007
Serie A Coach of the Year Manager of the Year (1): 2009
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Moyes:


Managerial
[]edit With Preston North End

Football League Second Division

* Champions – 1999–2000

[edit] With Everton

* FA Cup finalist: 2009
* Football League Cup semi finalist: 2008

LMA Manager of the Year

* Winner – 2002–03, 2004–05, 2008–09[20]

FA Premier League Manager of the Month

* Winner – September 2004, January 2006, February 2008, February 2009, January 2010, March 2010

North West Manager of the Year

* Winner 2007–08
 
BaldwinLegend said:
I disagree with most of this.

Of the Barca players starting tonight, how many played under Rijkard?

Don't underestimate the rebuilding job Guardiola has undertaken at Barca - he kicked out Ronaldinho and Eto'o and has rebuilt a team around Messi, introducing a lot of new blood to do so.

Dismissing his work is naive and uninformed - he's done far more than you've given him credit for.

Leonardo has turned AC Milan around after a dreadful start - he's showing promise and, surprise surprise, is benefitting from being given time by his club.
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Pep is a good manager, no doubt about it, but his stature as such as benefited greatly from Messi's inevitable ascent into the best player in the world. A last minute goal at the Bridge by Iniesta might have also played into it. As for losing Eto, i think Barca got the short end of that stick. I see nothing positive about Leonardo's work at Milan. He's clearly a likable personality, but Milan have underachieved with him so far, and i doubt he'll be there for much longer unless he can win something for them.
 
Plan M said:
That's right. Because I rate Mourinho as a top class manager, I'm "trying to wind you up". OK. Well done you. Gold star.
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You still haven't answered a question asked twice previously - name 5 players worth mentioning that Mourinho has brought up from the youth team in his "trophy-laden" Chelsea and Inter careers.
 
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