As I've pointed out before, think Mourinho's teams down the years have always been within the top 2 highest scorers in each league he's managed in.
Hardly points to ultra defensive tactics.
Hardly points to ultra defensive tactics.
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Mourinho is the only person in the world who could manage us?
This has nothing to do with Jose attacking or not attacking. The only point you help confirm is when we are not attacking we are not up to our standards.
This was the best side and when they did the double they looked strong. Still Jose's body of work covers a bit more than two years of Chelsea... Porto especially and some Inter may not help your argument... so at best we agree to disagree.
Now care to take a crack at the other two detractors?
I wasn’t taking a crack at you, yours was just the latest post so i naturally quoted it, don’t feel victimised or anything mate.
My point simply was so many people on here constantly come out with stuff like 'i dont want jose here he doesn’t play attacking football' and yet the kind of football we’ve produced under Sir Alex for the last couple of seasons really hasn’t been any worse than what Jose had Chelsea playing quite frankly,……when Inter played Chelsea at stamford bridge in the champions league the other month Mourinhio started with 3 strikers on the pitch and sneijder in a free role off the front, when was the last time Sir Alex selected more than 1 striker in a big game for us let alone 3??? People seem to be under this impression we play a style of we’ll score 5 if you score 4 football, we don’t and havnt for years, we play as defensive as any top side in the big games if were being totally honest about it.
I just dont buy that argument at all, give the man the right options and his football is fine and most importantly its successful.
Sucess was not my argument. I said enthralling.
In checking the stats Porto Chelsea and now Inter he has always finished in the top 3 for scoring but for example the one year at Chelsea he won the title with 72 goals and Arsenal got 2nd but with 87 goals. Course in 07 when we won we had 83 goals and they were second with 64. Nothing spectacular nor nothing horrible so i will still be hesitant and we can agree to disagree.
My other arguments about class is also very subjective. The one issue I can not get away from is his lack of loyalty. Chelsea is his longest tenure anywhere. There is just nothing in his CIV to suggest he can be in for the long haul. He paints this us against the world that is just seemingly unsustainable. we all have to admit one of the amazing things about SAF and Busby was their ability to maintain excellence.
Sorry still very opposed.
Dunno if it's been mentioned but the Sunday Supplement lot mentioned this the other day and someone said the if Mourinho came to United it would all be about Mourinho all of a sudden, and the United's identity would be at risk as he wouldn't understand it or maintain the club's ethos... Fair points, I thought.
People like Mourinhio are always going to split opinion i guess, their character is either one you love or hate....i just genuinly dont see any other stand out candidate out there myself, no one in my view outside Mourinhio even comes close to having the required managerial attributes and personality to take a job as big as this as well as contend with replacing arguably the greatest ever manager to draw breath (which is another issue i think many underestimate on here)...were going to need a huge character/self confident individual as well as a great manager when Fergie calls it a day, Mourinhios both....i certainly wouldnt be filled with confidence if a rookie like Blanc/Ole were thrust into the job....
Mourinho has actually shown good sense in his transfer dealings this season. OK, he didn't discover new talent, but getting Sneijder, Milito, Lucio, Eto'o in that Zlatan deal and then Pandev on a free were all good deals and all have turned out to be a success.
As far as i can remember it was Rooney, Berba and Tevez vs Pool at Anfield at the start of the 2008/09 campaign. The result wasn't good.
My greatest worry about Mourinho is his reluctance to spot, sign and nurture young talent, something that i see as being the at the very core of United as a club. The set-up here would just wouldn't suit his style of management. Add to that his seeming loyalty to no-one but himself; SAF's mantra has always been, 'Nobody is bigger than the club,' and with Mourinho's, 'Everybody is bigger than the club, especially me,' being polar opposite, i just don't think he suits us one bit. Imo we'd be better off with a more humble manager, one with an eye for talent and a desire to create players rather than simply purchase them, someone who wont want to step in and suddenly become Mr United, someone who wants to do the job at hand for the sake of the club and it's fans, not just for the sake of his own fame and reputation. Personally i'd choose Moyes; he has the right attitude imo. Top-level experience and success can be gained, whilst a good attitude is something you're born with, and something which i do not believe Mourinho possesses. I've no doubt that we'd be successful under Jose, but how successful would we be after his inevitable departure?
the pressure to succeed in the transition though, given our precarious financial situation is too great to give to a manager like moyes.
IMO moyes has taken everton as far as he can. Why doesn't he leave to go to a CL club on the continent to get some european experience? I have no doubts that moyes can do well in the premiership with our squad. However football has changed from when fergie became manager and you need a bit of continental experience IMO to manage a top club. Moyes needs to test himself out his comfort zone and spend 3-4 years on the continent successfully before I am comfortable with him taking on a club like united.
Mourinho is the man!
Same fixture this season, Rooney and Berbatov started, result also wasn't good. Our Carrick/Scholes midfield was destroyed by Liverpools, we haven't tried two in midfield against a big team since.
On Mourinho for United... well one thing's for sure, once Ferguson goes it'll be like a different world at Old Trafford, it just comes down to what you feel is most important to hang on to from SAF's tenure. If it's the success, then Jose's probably one of the best bets possible. Whoever we end up choosing, and for whatever reasons, we're going to have to accept that our club is going to lose some of the qualities it's had under Fergie.
I'm sorry but i don't agree with that at all. Chelsea have been through a whole host of the continent's 'top' managers since Mourinho's departure, and where has it got them? They're no closer to winning the Champion's League than they ever were, they've just gotten older, not better; they've progressed very little, if at all, over recent years. And despite it's influx of foreign players and managers, Premier League football is still a very British game; far from being a necessity, continental experience is a luxury, and a dubiously welcome one at that. Why would Moyes need to leave one of the worlds best football leagues in search of experience? He can get all the experience he needs right here. I see what you're saying about needing immediate results in the wake of Fergie's retirement, but we should not be prepared to accept them in favour of long-term stability. Would Mourinho offer that stability, or would he simply be a short-term fix? Based on his previous record i believe he'd only be the latter. Someone like Moyes though, with consistent Premier League experience and a long-term view towards success, someone who can take a young player and mould him into something better, and someone, perhaps more importantly, with solid roots in this country and little desire for Spanish fame and warm climates, would, imo, be a far more desirable option.
Just reading up on him and noticed that Moyes has won the LMA Manager Of The Year award more times than any other manager. At three times - '03 '05 and '09 - he's one better the both SAF and Arsene Wenger. Not saying that that's evidence of him being fit for the job, just an interesting stat is all.
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they aren't any closer, but they still make consistent runs. Moyes is simply too inexperienced in the european game IMO. even fergie pre-united had good european experience with aberdeen. Even that with that, it took some time for fergie to come to grips with the differnent style europe brings. we need a manager who can get results BOTH domestically and in europe. Europe isn't a luxury, a club our size targets deep european runs year in year out.
Jose has top experience in europe and of course the premiership. It is obvious he loves british football and wants to come back to this country. IMO people think jose will leave after 3-4 years which I completely disagree with. If he came here, I would wager he'd last atleast 10 years at united.
I am not sure why people think moyes would end up managing united for 20+ years. its a bigger chance that he'd get the sack after 2-3 years for not being successful.
Va Sahn makes a really good point today - doubts over Mourinho as SAF's successor by virtue of him being quite a short term manager, always looking for the next job, the next challenge...
Busby and Ferguson both stayed with the club for a relative eternity. We really need to make sure that model is continued in the future, and not have the managerial merry-go-round that we had in the 1970s and 1980s. That of course, takes time and patience on the side of the board/fans, but it also requires a manager who will want to/be capable of staying here over the long haul and creating his own chapter.
In terms of charisma and being able to handle the pressure - there are only a select few. The pool is even shallower if you dismiss people like Capello, Hiddink etc, who are not exactly spring chickens themselves. Mourinho is the personality that I would love - he'd ensure we kept on winning. Guardiola would be great from that point of view and for aesthetics - perhaps he'd like the autonomy involved with being an club manager in England? Maybe he thinks he will have done it all in another years time at Barca?
But if we are looking closer to home - I really, really like David Moyes. The job he has done with Everton has been quite phenomenal. Consider where they were when he took over. It's not that they were in one isolated relegation scrap at that stage, they were perennially just above the trap door. He's taken them to the Top 4 and to an FA Cup final, he habitually takes them into Europe as well. His record in the transfer market is excellent and I see no problems with the way his teams play football. I also get the impression that he has a good presence and commands respect.
Busby and Ferguson both stayed with the club for a relative eternity. We really need to make sure that model is continued in the future, and not have the managerial merry-go-round that we had in the 1970s and 1980s. That of course, takes time and patience on the side of the board/fans, but it also requires a manager who will want to/be capable of staying here over the long haul and creating his own chapter.
In terms of charisma and being able to handle the pressure - there are only a select few. The pool is even shallower if you dismiss people like Capello, Hiddink etc, who are not exactly spring chickens themselves. Mourinho is the personality that I would love - he'd ensure we kept on winning. Guardiola would be great from that point of view and for aesthetics - perhaps he'd like the autonomy involved with being an club manager in England? Maybe he thinks he will have done it all in another years time at Barca?
But if we are looking closer to home - I really, really like David Moyes. The job he has done with Everton has been quite phenomenal. Consider where they were when he took over. It's not that they were in one isolated relegation scrap at that stage, they were perennially just above the trap door. He's taken them to the Top 4 and to an FA Cup final, he habitually takes them into Europe as well. His record in the transfer market is excellent and I see no problems with the way his teams play football. I also get the impression that he has a good presence and commands respect.
The thing about Mourinho is that:
a) he's said that he wants to win his holy grail of Portugese league, Premiership, Serie A and La Liga
b) he's said he wants to manage the Portugese national team after his club career and before he retires
c) he's made it quite obvious that he considers the English game to be his 'home', and is where he has most enjoyed it
d) Fergie is the only manager around that he seems to consider his equal or perhaps even his superior
e) he mentioned a few months ago that he does want to settle down and stay for the long term at a club
Put all that together, and as long as he wins the La Liga before coming to us, I don't see any reason he'd want to leave (as long as everything is going smoothly of course). He'd have won his big four leagues. He'd have enjoyed the English game the most (depending on how things go in Spain of course, but I don't think they'd be as appreciating of him as what the English league is). We give our manager more freedom and control than just about any other top club. So I could definitely see him joining us with the idea of staying for the long-term
If he came to us before winning La Liga then that's when I'd be worried he'd always have it in the back of his mind, which is why I really hope he goes to Real Madrid/Barcelona for next season. Stay there for a couple of seasons, and it would then probably be perfect timing for when Fergie steps down.
That seems an awful lot of 'depending on''s. But how can you ever expect a manager with such wide-ranging and eclectic ambitions to settle-down in one place? He seems to me to be a successful manager who all too often cuts his losses and runs at the first sign of trouble; hence why he never builds a team with a long-term plan; once he's gone it's no longer his problem, he has a new team in a new league with new trophies to be won and new crowds to please.
Do you remember him in his final season at Chelsea? He looked a nervous wreck on the verge of a mental breakdown whenever he appeared on TV, he was coming out with all kinds of crazy shit, completely cracking under pressure... at least, that's how i remember it... maybe i'm biased because i despised the cnut at the time...
That's the reason the press love him so much. His teams play such drab, uninspiring football that he has to give exciting press conferences to make up for it.
So those who criticised Mourinho's record in the CL at Inter, what do you think now? Has disposed of Chelsea, and has a very good chance of knocking out the current holders and probably the best team in the world, though Inter did make them look fairly average.
There is no other manager out there.
There is no other manager out there.
Moyes esmufc10.
Things I dislike about Mourinho - The pointless notes, the massive ego, average in the market, boring football.
Things I dislike about Mourinho - The pointless notes, the massive ego, average in the market, boring football.
Moyes I don't like the idea of. No experience of management at the highest level and the immediate years after Fergie leaving are going to be some of the biggest in our history. We can't afford to get it wrong, Moyes would be a risk.
Mourinho has proved himself wherever he has been, and after tonight's result has a very good chance of getting to the final of the CL and winning it for a 2nd time - equalling the amount Fergie has won in a lot less time.
There are plenty of other very good managers out there, you only have eyes for one though.
Yes I do, and tonight is why.
It's only the first leg and Inter rode their luck. Milito's goal was offside and Barca should have had a pen.
Inter had the better chances on the whole, but Barca will rightly feel aggrieved to be trailing by 2 goals, albeit Inter were better on the night.
Barca have no rights to complain about refereeing decisions not going their way after last years semi. Barcelona wouldn't be current holders if a half-competent referee had taken charge at Stamford Bridge.
2007
Aug Juliano Belletti Barcelona £3.7m
July Florent Malouda Lyon £13.5m
June Tal Ben Haim Bolton Free
June Claudio Pizarro Bayern Munich Free
June Steve Sidwell Reading Free
2006
Aug Ashley Cole Arsenal £5m
Aug Khalid Boulahrouz Hamburg £7m
June John Mikel Obi Lyn £16m
May Ben Sahar Hapoel Tev Aviv £320,000
May Andrei Shevchenko AC Milan £30.8m
May Salomon Kalou Feyenoord £8m
May Michael Ballack Bayern Munich Free
2005
Aug Michael Essien Lyon £24.4m
July Shaun Wright-Phillips Manchester City £21m
July Lassana Diarra Le Havre £1m
July Scott Sinclair Bristol Rovers £160,000
June Asier Del Horno Athletic Bilbao £8m
Jan Jiri Jarosik CSKA Moscow £4.83m
July Ricardo Carvalho Porto £19.85m
July Didier Drogba Marseille £24m
July Tiago Benfica £8m
July Mateja Kezman PSV Eindhoven £5m
July Paulo Ferreira Porto £13.2m
July Arjen Robben PSV Eindhoven £12m
Total £225.76m
Average. Not to mention letting Maxwell go at Inter and signing Muntari, Mancini, Quaresma for big fees.
Aug Juliano Belletti Barcelona £3.7m
July Florent Malouda Lyon £13.5m
June Tal Ben Haim Bolton Free
June Claudio Pizarro Bayern Munich Free
June Steve Sidwell Reading Free
2006
Aug Ashley Cole Arsenal £5m
Aug Khalid Boulahrouz Hamburg £7m
June John Mikel Obi Lyn £16m
May Ben Sahar Hapoel Tev Aviv £320,000
May Andrei Shevchenko AC Milan £30.8m
May Salomon Kalou Feyenoord £8m
May Michael Ballack Bayern Munich Free
2005
Aug Michael Essien Lyon £24.4m
July Shaun Wright-Phillips Manchester City £21m
July Lassana Diarra Le Havre £1m
July Scott Sinclair Bristol Rovers £160,000
June Asier Del Horno Athletic Bilbao £8m
Jan Jiri Jarosik CSKA Moscow £4.83m
July Ricardo Carvalho Porto £19.85m
July Didier Drogba Marseille £24m
July Tiago Benfica £8m
July Mateja Kezman PSV Eindhoven £5m
July Paulo Ferreira Porto £13.2m
July Arjen Robben PSV Eindhoven £12m
Total £225.76m
Average. Not to mention letting Maxwell go at Inter and signing Muntari, Mancini, Quaresma for big fees.
I agree Scholesy.
He knows how to run a team though.
He knows how to run a team though.
They shouldn't. At half time alone it should have been 4-1 Inter.
Mourinho is the man for us, no doubt about it. Even Fergie likes him !
Mourinho will be going to City. They'll give him more many than you can imagine.
mourinho commands instant respect from any player, primadonna or not. even if they dislike him, they are willing to die for him on the pitch. that is a mark of a world class manager.
a manager like moyes, well very decent, does not have the experience or persona yet to demand this kind of respect and control for big money foreign talent.
a manager like moyes, well very decent, does not have the experience or persona yet to demand this kind of respect and control for big money foreign talent.
He'll see City as too similar to Chelsea if they get rid of Mancini after not even a full season.
Very important point you make...
Very good point. Few managers can commaned the respect the likes of Fergie/Mourinho/Wenger can.
He'd be the highest paid manager in history, with 200million a year to spend on transfers. He could take a minnow club like City and win them big trophies.
Surely that'd be more attractive to him than go to United, have no money, and have to live up to a record like Fergies?
The way we are going we are not going to see much big money foreign talent coming in.
I do like Moyes, he seems to be a good judge of a player and gets the best out of them. Not sure if he's the right man but he is due a chance at a bigger club at some point soon.
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