Man Utd board warming to Inter Milan boss Mourinho

[esmufc07]

2000 Benfica
2001–2002 União de Leiria
2002–2004 Porto
2004–2007 Chelsea
2008– Internazionale

When and how is he expected to have brought through kids when he hasn't stayed at one club for a prolonged period of time?

Lest we forget he would immediately turn Old Trafford into a fortress aswell, 126 games he hasn't been beaten at home domestically.

 

[ooeat0meoo]

2000 Benfica
2001–2002 União de Leiria
2002–2004 Porto
2004–2007 Chelsea
2008– Internazionale

When and how is he expected to have brought through kids when he hasn't stayed at one club for a prolonged period of time?

Lest we forget he would immediately turn Old Trafford into a fortress aswell, 126 games he hasn't been beaten at home domestically.

That settles it then...

 

[Striker10]

2000 Benfica
2001–2002 União de Leiria
2002–2004 Porto
2004–2007 Chelsea
2008– Internazionale

When and how is he expected to have brought through kids when he hasn't stayed at one club for a prolonged period of time?

Lest we forget he would immediately turn Old Trafford into a fortress aswell, 126 games he hasn't been beaten at home domestically.

You can be at a club a month, like the look of a young player and promote him but he'd be asked that at the interview. The youth development is such a big thing here he'd have no choice

The biggest factor is the tactics because we have to play attacking football. I don't follow inter so can't tell you if they play better football then what chelsea did

 

[esmufc07]

You can be at a club a month, like the look of a young player and promote him but he'd be asked that at the interview. The youth development is such a big thing here he'd have no choice

Mourinho wants this job, I thoroughly believe he'd want to stay here for a number of years, enough time to build an empire, create a dynasty similar to Fergie and being remembered for being one of the greatest managers ever. Given that time, I am sure Mourinho would look to promote youth at his club, it'd be silly not too. But at Porto he wasn't really there long enough, at Chelsea he was under huge pressure to achieve results, Arnesen was brought in from Spurs to lead the youth development and failed miserably, and like you I've not really followed his time at Inter so I can't really comment.

The biggest factor is the tactics because we have to play attacking football. I don't follow inter so can't tell you if they play better football then what chelsea did

We have to play to win. How often do we go against our 'attacking football' philosophy away from home in Europe? Or in the big games domestically? Often we do, very often. We set ourselves up to win, simple as. Mourinho does the same, and he wins. This myth that we play the most beautiful, swashbuckling, attacking football in every game is exactly that, a myth.

 

[charleysurf]

Lest we forget he would immediately turn Old Trafford into a fortress aswell, 126 games he hasn't been beaten at home domestically.

he can play centre back can he? Because we don't have any just now.

Poor old Fergie. 11 titles and 2 CLs, but it's still going to be down to Mourinho to come in and teach United how to defend.

 

[esmufc07]

he can play centre back can he? Because we don't have any just now.

Poor old Fergie. 11 titles and 2 CLs, but it's still going to be down to Mourinho to come in and teach United how to defend.

I thought it was obvious enough that was just an off-hand comment, and not really a reason as to why he should be our next manager.

 

[RufRT]

God I hope its Mourinho when that inevitable day comes....

 

[Striker10]

Mourinho wants this job, I thoroughly believe he'd want to stay here for a number of years, enough time to build an empire, create a dynasty similar to Fergie and being remembered for being one of the greatest managers ever. Given that time, I am sure Mourinho would look to promote youth at his club, it'd be silly not too. But at Porto he wasn't really there long enough, at Chelsea he was under huge pressure to achieve results, Arnesen was brought in from Spurs to lead the youth development and failed miserably, and like you I've not really followed his time at Inter so I can't really comment.



We have to play to win. How often do we go against our 'attacking football' philosophy away from home in Europe? Or in the big games domestically? Often we do, very often. We set ourselves up to win, simple as. Mourinho does the same, and he wins. This myth that we play the most beautiful, swashbuckling, attacking football in every game is exactly that, a myth.

Jose did that alot domestically though which is one of the reasons he had such a great record. Don't get me wrong though, he has the personality for it. He's a tad outspoken but so's Sir Alex down the year. In fact I remember hearing once he had a go at his team even though they'd won a trophy as he wasn't happy with the display

We do look to attack though. Our form isn't always consistant. Chelsea often looked to kill games 1 nil where as 9/10 we look to score more when we score but maybe he'd change here? We'll have to wait and see. I don't think he'd crumble here by any means

 

[esmufc07]

Jose did that alot domestically though which is one of the reasons he had such a great record. Don't get me wrong though, he has the personality for it. He's a tad outspoken but so's Sir Alex down the year. In fact I remember hearing once he had a go at his team even though they'd won a trophy as he wasn't happy with the display

In Chelsea's two title winning seasons under Mourinho, they had 17 1-0 wins. Our last two title winning seasons have yielded 16 1-0 wins.

 

[Cal?]

In Chelsea's two title winning seasons under Mourinho, they had 17 1-0 wins. Our last two title winning seasons have yielded 16 1-0 wins.

There it is, 16 is acceptable but 17 is not.

 

[SirAF]

God I hope its Mourinho when that inevitable day comes....

So do I.. he's The One ! (no pun intended lol)

 

[Kraftwerker]

He should definitely be given the chance. If Mr A.N.Other new guy turns out to be slightly underwhelming, we'll always wonder how Mourinho would have done.

Now I know it works the other way too, but if Mourinho doesn't work out we can say, well he was by far the stand-out option at the time, so it made sense to go for him.

Also, if we snub Mourinho he'll never come and manage then, and we'll never know what he could have done here. The likes of Blanc would probably be happy enough to step in after Mourinho, if it doesn't work out, provided he's not in the Madrid or Barca job or something already.

 

[Wumminator]

Why? Does anyone actually have a decent reason why they wouldn't want Mourinho?

Yes.

First of all, he's an arrogant dickhead who would turn the job about him. feck knows what the Inter fans must think, with him always mouthing off about other jobs.

I think his record in the transfer market being exceedingly poor, with Chelsea having a better squad before he come, then when he left. I believe at Chelsea and Inter he's done very average jobs, Chelsea won two leagues, but they had massive ammounts of money, the other teams were rebuilding, and he never won a Champions League. Avram Grant got closer with Jose's team to winning the champions league than Mourinho ever did.

His tactics for the big games aren't exactly great. His Inter team got torn a new one in the CL by either Barca or Real, I can't remember who it was, and he frequently got knocked out to Rafa Benitez in the Champions League, a manager who so many people here laugh at.

At Inter, he won the league, but his squad is so far and above everyone elses it's untrue. He still managed to buy Queresma who was a massive flop, and his team has still never got anywhere in the Champions League. Indeed, it's likely Bordeaux will progress further than Inter this year, which is pretty funny.

Blanc on the other hand has taken an inferior club in the French League (still a very competitive league, and I'd say at the moment, equal to Serie A) and made them champions, as well as playing a nice brand of football. He seems very composed and also seems to bring the best out of his players. Players like Gourcuff look very promising, and he talked him into signing from a bigger club.

 

[Cling Bak]

2000 Benfica
2001–2002 União de Leiria
2002–2004 Porto
2004–2007 Chelsea
2008– Internazionale

When and how is he expected to have brought through kids when he hasn't stayed at one club for a prolonged period of time?

Lest we forget he would immediately turn Old Trafford into a fortress aswell, 126 games he hasn't been beaten at home domestically.

I think his career path worries me most. People are going on about tactics as if United play to entertain first and to win second, and whilst we do entertain, I don't think Ferguson would even see it like that. My point being that Mourinho is good enough, so we shouldn't scoff.

But my worry is how short his stints have been with all of those clubs. He left Porto at the drop of a hat because Chelsea came calling, there was then a falling out at Chelsea which ultimately lead to his early departure there - we'll never know how long he'd have stayed. Now the rumours are that he's just waiting to manage us and I actually believe those rumours.

What happens if he comes to us in 2010 (unlikely yes, but just in theory) but Portugal have a bad European Championship in 2012 and want him to to take the national team job? I worry he'd jump at it. Which would ultimately take us back to square one. I don't want a manager looking to win a title at another club and move on, if Mourinho joins I want him with us for 10 years.

 

[phelans shorts]

I think his career path worries me most. People are going on about tactics as if United play to entertain first and to win second, and whilst we do entertain, I don't think Ferguson would even see it like that. My point being that Mourinho is good enough, so we shouldn't scoff.

But my worry is how short his stints have been with all of those clubs. He left Porto at the drop of a hat because Chelsea came calling, there was then a falling out at Chelsea which ultimately lead to his early departure there - we'll never know how long he'd have stayed. Now the rumours are that he's just waiting to manage us and I actually believe those rumours.

What happens if he comes to us in 2010 (unlikely yes, but just in theory) but Portugal have a bad European Championship in 2012 and want him to to take the national team job? I worry he'd jump at it. Which would ultimately take us back to square one. I don't want a manager looking to win a title at another club and move on, if Mourinho joins I want him with us for 10 years.

look back to one of my posts in this thread I mention that point and why it doesn't worry me, it is primarily a quote of a thread I made in the newbs

 

[Cling Bak]

look back to one of my posts in this thread I mention that point and why it doesn't worry me, it is primarily a quote of a thread I made in the newbs

Your point, for reference:

ok i participate in alot of mourinho threads (as i'm sure you all have noticed) and one point always appears that i don't understand the reasoning behind, and this is it.

jose mourinho never stays at clubs for a prolonged period

right now these are what rafa would call the fachts, mourinho has had five jobs in his nine year tenure, now lets go through these jobs and why he left after a short amount of time

Benfica= new president wanted own manager, like when keegan left newcastle, he was their kinnear if you wish

Leiria= led them to there highest ever finish, was then offered the much larger porto job

porto= proved he was a very good manager by winning champions league, immediately got offered the chelsea job

Chelsea= Once again a huge succes, was offered the chance to manage a team that could challenge for europe every season with lots of money (most of which never materialised) was then sacked after disagreement with abramovich

Inter= current job, will only leave if sacked or a "special" club makes an approach

looking at these facts i cannot see what makes people think mourinho leaves clubs as easily as is made out

so can anyone enlighten me?

I think what you're saying is, in those 9 years he's moved up and up. Chelsea he would've stayed at, had they let him too, right? That certainly a point that I picked up on and believe he would've been there longer had he and Abrahmovic not fallen out.

But Inter is a big club, they do well in Serie A and he has yet to do well with them in Europe in his short time there, which surely offers him enough of a challenge, no? Yet he seems to just suggest he'll be off if we come calling.

What I'm saying is, who is next after us? Is Portugal's national job the next big one, the next challenge for him? What about 2-3 years of success with us and then Barcelona or Madrid need a new manager? Will he definitely turn down the chance to manage in Spain? Because I think he wants to go and prove he can manage in all the top countries in Europe and be a resounding success.

You ask why people would think he'd up and leave, well I think it's because he's ambitious and to him, 5 years is a long time, he has other goals beyond England and his track record seems to suggest he would not stay anywhere very long.

 

[Amir]

I agree, phelan, the whole 'shorts stints' doesn't worry me one bit. You can't blame a manager going up the ladder - Fergie has done that as well, didn't he leave his first club after a few months? - and he would be stayed with Chelsea longer if they hadn't been so messed up.

Anyhow, just because we got lucky with Sir Alex doesn't mean we can or should expect a repeat. A manager being at one job for five years doesn't happen often. 10 years is freaky, 23 is almost insane. We can't look at a manager being at United for five years and say it's not good enough.

 

[Clique]

look back to one of my posts in this thread I mention that point and why it doesn't worry me, it is primarily a quote of a thread I made in the newbs

I've been here most of the time you've stayed in this site phelans, and let me be honest with you by saying i've never ever seen a quote from you in the football forum that i've agreed upon.

But this time i agree with phelans, we've played very very attractive football over the years, But with the change of personnel and the change in the way we play in Europe has seen us take a more defensive approach even in the Premier league. We still play with swagger sometimes, but the Mourinho approach has also been seen lately.

 

[Cling Bak]

I agree, phelan, the whole 'shorts stints' doesn't worry me one bit. You can't blame a manager going up the ladder - Fergie has done that as well, didn't he leave his first club after a few months? - and he would be stayed with Chelsea longer if they hadn't been so messed up.

Ferguson is British. It's more likely that a British manager would want to manage in Britain and the best place to do that is England. Having worked his way up and done well in Scotland, he took on one of the biggest sides in England, ready to make them the biggest again.

Spain, Italy, Germany, Romania or Cyprus don't interest Ferguson the way they would interest Mourinho, who can speak many different languages and has shown he would manage pretty much anywhere. And he could, too. Nothing wrong with that on Jose's part, just not very stable for us.

It concerns me if he was to come. I'm not saying he'd definitely do it, but it worries me and that sort of worry has never been an issue at our club. Not even particularly with players either.

 

[Amir]

British managers do - well, did - go abroad. Venables went to Barca, after they tried for Fergie if I remember correctly. Anyhow, if the idea of the manager staying long or not is the clinching factor, then it shoudln't be a problem. It seems the least of our worries to me, when the time comes. The lack of stability caused by appointing the wrong man or a weak character will be a lot worse then someone coming in, doing a good job and leaving after five years. We're just spoiled. No other club would even think about rejecting a quality coach because he 'might only stay A FEW years'.

 

[Wumminator]

Let me be honest, I don't believe any of this "weak character" stuff. When you see people like Blanc captaining sides and winning world cups, I don't think you need to worry about his temprement.

When Blanc finishes the season at Bordeaux this year, he's been there for three full years yeah? How many jobs has Mourinho lasted longer than that in?

 

[Wumminator]

Anyhow, just because we got lucky with Sir Alex doesn't mean we can or should expect a repeat. A manager being at one job for five years doesn't happen often.

It does at the biggest and best clubs. Especially in England. Ferguson, Rafa and Arsenal have all been there for long enough now. Constantly changing managers helps no-one, and if Mourinhos reason for not bringing through youngsters is he's not been at a club long enough to see his methods bear fruit, then we need to get a young manager who'll be here for the forseeable future hopefully.

Which is why you dont' want an older manager, or why you don't want someone who'll jump shit after a few years. I saw someone post recently he didn't want Benzema to come to United, play a few seasons improving, then jump ship to his dream move of Real Madrid. Nothing from Mourinho suggest he will stay at a job long term. Imagine him being here for three years, then Madrid want him. He has no ties to Manchester, could manage a massive club and win the La Liga. He'd go.

 

[phelans shorts]

Your point, for reference:



I think what you're saying is, in those 9 years he's moved up and up. Chelsea he would've stayed at, had they let him too, right? That certainly a point that I picked up on and believe he would've been there longer had he and Abrahmovic not fallen out.

But Inter is a big club, they do well in Serie A and he has yet to do well with them in Europe in his short time there, which surely offers him enough of a challenge, no? Yet he seems to just suggest he'll be off if we come calling.

What I'm saying is, who is next after us? Is Portugal's national job the next big one, the next challenge for him? What about 2-3 years of success with us and then Barcelona or Madrid need a new manager? Will he definitely turn down the chance to manage in Spain? Because I think he wants to go and prove he can manage in all the top countries in Europe and be a resounding success.

You ask why people would think he'd up and leave, well I think it's because he's ambitious and to him, 5 years is a long time, he has other goals beyond England and his track record seems to suggest he would not stay anywhere very long.

Cheers for that I'm on my iPod so finding it would take a while, and your point on ambition leaves me with this, is he really more ambitious than fergie? I would say they are very similar, and an empire would sound very attractive to him, and what club on earth treats mangers as good as Manchester united? Busby & ferguson are a testimamt to that, ferguson in Europe is as succesfull as nunez at real, and I have forgotten his first name, most real fans won't know his surname either

I agree, phelan, the whole 'shorts stints' doesn't worry me one bit. You can't blame a manager going up the ladder - Fergie has done that as well, didn't he leave his first club after a few months? - and he would be stayed with Chelsea longer if they hadn't been so messed up.

Anyhow, just because we got lucky with Sir Alex doesn't mean we can or should expect a repeat. A manager being at one job for five years doesn't happen often. 10 years is freaky, 23 is almost insane. We can't look at a manager being at United for five years and say it's not good enough.

wanting a manager to stay as long as fergie is very romantic idea, of course it's unlikely but 5 succesfull years would be fantastic aswell, and much more realistic

I've been here most of the time you've stayed in this site phelans, and let me be honest with you by saying i've never ever seen a quote from you in the football forum that i've agreed upon.

But this time i agree with phelans, we've played very very attractive football over the years, But with the change of personnel and the change in the way we play in Europe has seen us take a more defensive approach even in the Premier league. We still play with swagger sometimes, but the Mourinho approach has also been seen lately.

first agreement from clique, I'm honoured

but as I say some people just hate Jose with no apparent reason, which considering he is the only manager capablee of replacing fergie is ridiculous

 

[esmufc07]

Yes.

First of all, he's an arrogant dickhead who would turn the job about him. feck knows what the Inter fans must think, with him always mouthing off about other jobs.

Find me these direct quotes, which have come from his mouth, where he is always talking about these other jobs. 'Sources close to....' don't coun't.

I think his record in the transfer market being exceedingly poor, with Chelsea having a better squad before he come, then when he left. I believe at Chelsea and Inter he's done very average jobs, Chelsea won two leagues, but they had massive ammounts of money, the other teams were rebuilding, and he never won a Champions League. Avram Grant got closer with Jose's team to winning the champions league than Mourinho ever did.

Now you're just talking rubbish. How was the 03/04 squad better than the squad he left in September 2007? That'd be like saying our 2005 squad was better than our 2008 one. Very average jobs? 7 trophies with those two teams suggests otherwise. He broke every record you can think of in his first season with Chelsea, so stop spouting rubbish. Hughes at City has shown it's not just the ability to be able to spend money, that it is actually a lot more difficult to build a winning side.

I the 07/08 Season, Chelsea had to navigate past Olympiakos and Fenerbache, and then Liverpool. I think it's safe to say he'd have at least reached the semi's, and no-one can say for sure what would have happened in the Liverpool game. Considering how could Drogba was though, I'd hazard a guess they'd have reached the final. And Mourinho had (Or has, I should say), an outstanding record against Fergie.

His tactics for the big games aren't exactly great. His Inter team got torn a new one in the CL by either Barca or Real, I can't remember who it was, and he frequently got knocked out to Rafa Benitez in the Champions League, a manager who so many people here laugh at

.

Last season they got knocked out by the current European Champions at the time, no shame in that, and they were the better side on the night at Old Trafford. Ibrahmovic missing a sitter when it was 0-0 if you remember. And he's reached the knock-out stages this season, being drawn against his former club. Benitez in the league is a crock of poo, but in Europe no-one can really doubt his tactics. He's very good when it comes to tactics in Europe. Let's not forget the goal that never was in 04/05 aswell, and the Gudjohnsen chance in the last minute that if given to him 100 times again, he would score 99 of the time.

At Inter, he won the league, but his squad is so far and above everyone elses it's untrue. He still managed to buy Queresma who was a massive flop, and his team has still never got anywhere in the Champions League. Indeed, it's likely Bordeaux will progress further than Inter this year, which is pretty funny.

Team still hasn't got anywhere in the Champions League, despite him having played only one full CL Season. Take your rose-tinted specs off for just one moment.

Blanc on the other hand has taken an inferior club in the French League (still a very competitive league, and I'd say at the moment, equal to Serie A) and made them champions, as well as playing a nice brand of football. He seems very composed and also seems to bring the best out of his players. Players like Gourcuff look very promising, and he talked him into signing from a bigger club.

Competitive? Is it feck competitive, it's been won by the same team in 7 of the last 8 years, a team who have no declined so much they find themselves way down in 6th and with little, if any, hope of winning Ligue 1 this season.

If Blanc was at Inter and Mourinho at Bordeux, it'd be a completely different story.

But my worry is how short his stints have been with all of those clubs. He left Porto at the drop of a hat because Chelsea came calling, there was then a falling out at Chelsea which ultimately lead to his early departure there - we'll never know how long he'd have stayed. Now the rumours are that he's just waiting to manage us and I actually believe those rumours.

He didn't leave them at the 'drop of a hat', he left because he'd done everything he could ever dream of doing there. 6 trophies in 2 seasons, including 2 league titles, a UEFA Cup and a Champions League. Then a newly resurgent Chelsea looking to dominate England and Europe for years to come knocks on your door. It was moving onto better things and a new challenge.

Then Abramovich decided to start signing players and bringing in Director's of Football, against Mourinho's wishes, so it's no surprise he left. Would Fergie have stayed under those conditions?

What happens if he comes to us in 2010 (unlikely yes, but just in theory) but Portugal have a bad European Championship in 2012 and want him to to take the national team job? I worry he'd jump at it. Which would ultimately take us back to square one. I don't want a manager looking to win a title at another club and move on, if Mourinho joins I want him with us for 10 years.

As I said, I think this is a club Mourinho would thrive at and stay at for years if the time came. Portugal I have no doubt he will manage one day, but only after he is finished with his club career.

But Inter is a big club, they do well in Serie A and he has yet to do well with them in Europe in his short time there, which surely offers him enough of a challenge, no? Yet he seems to just suggest he'll be off if we come calling.

He's played in 1 full CL Campaign, so it is mind-blowingly harsh to say 'he has yet to do well with them in Europe'.

What I'm saying is, who is next after us? Is Portugal's national job the next big one, the next challenge for him? What about 2-3 years of success with us and then Barcelona or Madrid need a new manager? Will he definitely turn down the chance to manage in Spain? Because I think he wants to go and prove he can manage in all the top countries in Europe and be a resounding success.

You ask why people would think he'd up and leave, well I think it's because he's ambitious and to him, 5 years is a long time, he has other goals beyond England and his track record seems to suggest he would not stay anywhere very long.

He loves it in England, the Italian media and fans don't react to him the same way we do. I doubt he would ever go to Madrid because it's a similar set-up to Chelsea, Barcelona maybe, but then we're basing that on nothing. If Mourinho was given the same freedom Fergie is if and when he is given the job, then he'll be here for years to come.

 

[KM]

Yes.

First of all, he's an arrogant dickhead who would turn the job about him. feck knows what the Inter fans must think, with him always mouthing off about other jobs.

I think his record in the transfer market being exceedingly poor, with Chelsea having a better squad before he come, then when he left. I believe at Chelsea and Inter he's done very average jobs, Chelsea won two leagues, but they had massive ammounts of money, the other teams were rebuilding, and he never won a Champions League. Avram Grant got closer with Jose's team to winning the champions league than Mourinho ever did.

His tactics for the big games aren't exactly great. His Inter team got torn a new one in the CL by either Barca or Real, I can't remember who it was, and he frequently got knocked out to Rafa Benitez in the Champions League, a manager who so many people here laugh at.

At Inter, he won the league, but his squad is so far and above everyone elses it's untrue. He still managed to buy Queresma who was a massive flop, and his team has still never got anywhere in the Champions League. Indeed, it's likely Bordeaux will progress further than Inter this year, which is pretty funny.

Blanc on the other hand has taken an inferior club in the French League (still a very competitive league, and I'd say at the moment, equal to Serie A) and made them champions, as well as playing a nice brand of football. He seems very composed and also seems to bring the best out of his players. Players like Gourcuff look very promising, and he talked him into signing from a bigger club.

His transfer record for Porto was excellent.
Signed players like Paulo Ferreira, Maniche, Valente who all became crucial players for Porto's success. Moulded Deco and Carvalho into excellent players. Granted his transfer record for Chelsea and Inter is average but is still not as poor as you say. He instills that winning mentality into his players just like the way Fergie does and also has good man-management skills.

For me he is the only true successor for Fergie out there, people say that he is arrogant but forget that Fergie is also seen as arrogant by most people out there and to succeed at a big club like United, you need arrogance and personality and we all know that Jose has both of them in abundance. The only issues that I have with him is Longevity and developing young players(which is our club's tradition).

Blanc has been pretty impressive as-well but for me he is just behind Mourinho. I can't see Fergie retiring in next two years though, so let's see what happens in the next two years but as of now Mourinho is the best choice

 

[Cling Bak]

It does at the biggest and best clubs. Especially in England. Ferguson, Rafa and Arsenal have all been there for long enough now. Constantly changing managers helps no-one, and if Mourinhos reason for not bringing through youngsters is he's not been at a club long enough to see his methods bear fruit, then we need to get a young manager who'll be here for the forseeable future hopefully.

Which is why you dont' want an older manager, or why you don't want someone who'll jump shit after a few years. I saw someone post recently he didn't want Benzema to come to United, play a few seasons improving, then jump ship to his dream move of Real Madrid. Nothing from Mourinho suggest he will stay at a job long term. Imagine him being here for three years, then Madrid want him. He has no ties to Manchester, could manage a massive club and win the La Liga. He'd go.

Completely agree and the point I was trying to make, if I wasn't clear before.

 

[esmufc07]

Let me be honest, I don't believe any of this "weak character" stuff. When you see people like Blanc captaining sides and winning world cups, I don't think you need to worry about his temprement.

When Blanc finishes the season at Bordeaux this year, he's been there for three full years yeah? How many jobs has Mourinho lasted longer than that in?

Blanc didn't play in the World Cup Final.

If the requisite for the United job is how long a manager has been at a club, perhaps we should make a move for Gradi.

 

[esmufc07]

but as I say some people just hate Jose with no apparent reason, which considering he is the only manager capablee of replacing fergie is ridiculous

They hate him because he was successful, just as everybody hated Wenger when he was winning. Now he isn't, most people like him. You can bet your last Irish dime that the minute Wenger wins the PL, or wins a trophy by beating us, the hate will return.

 

[phelans shorts]

They hate him because he was successful, just as everybody hated Wenger when he was winning. Now he isn't, most people like him. You can bet your last Irish dime that the minute Wenger wins the PL, or wins a trophy by beating us, the hate will return.

Agree just one thing, why are you insinuating I'm irish?

Also I don't buy the "but he's a cnut" brigade, I ask you this, is he a bigger cnut than fergie undoubtably is?

 

[esmufc07]

Agree just one thing, why are you insinuating I'm irish?

Also I don't buy the "but he's a cnut" brigade, I ask you this, is he a bigger cnut than fergie undoubtably is?

I always thought you were Irish.

Anyway, I don't think he's a cnut. If Fergie was in charge of any other club, he'd be despised by 99.9% of people on here. Facht.

 

[Amir]

It does at the biggest and best clubs. Especially in England. Ferguson, Rafa and Arsenal have all been there for long enough now. Constantly changing managers helps no-one, and if Mourinhos reason for not bringing through youngsters is he's not been at a club long enough to see his methods bear fruit, then we need to get a young manager who'll be here for the forseeable future hopefully.

Nothing from Mourinho suggest he will stay at a job long term. Imagine him being here for three years, then Madrid want him. He has no ties to Manchester, could manage a massive club and win the La Liga. He'd go.

It's all about options. If you have someone with Mourinho's ability, with Mourinho's track record - and also a good reason to think he'll happily stay at the job for years and years, fine, I'll take it. Blanc seems to be a popular option around here - what makes people think he'll stay at one club for years and years? There's just no way of knowing. Maybe he'll want to go to Italy? I'd love a british one, but there aren't many good options there.

But like I said - I don't think Mourinho's as bad as people have painted him. He started a fourth season at Chelsea and he didn't leave because he really wanted to. He was pushed. I think he'd love to manage United and not just to say, 'here, I've done that as well'. I think he really loves english football and if he can get the job at the biggest english football has to offer, he won't leave - at least as long as things go well, obviously. 20 years? No one can promise that. 10 years? The same. It's just the way things go. Fergie, as the legend tells it, could easily have been out after less than five.

I think a big factor here is that while we might have had all those discussions for years and years now, it's been donkey's years since we've actually went ahead and appointed a new manager. We tend to think of the job in Fergie Terms. Well, there only one of him.

 

[phelans shorts]

I always thought you were Irish.

Anyway, I don't think he's a cnut. If Fergie was in charge of any other club, he'd be despised by 99.9% of people on here. Facht.

So in about a month you have said I'm over 40 and Irish, despite me being neither, I'm going off you elvis!

you are redeemed by seeing sense in subjects like this one

 

[Zen86]

He's a cnut yes, but a charismatic and successful cnut. I'd only want him if he was was going to be here long term, which by all accounts he wants to settle down and do.

 

[Wumminator]

Some points to make, if I've ignored anything sorry, just say it again.

Firstly Smurf, you mentiong Grants easy run to the final, and goals not given against Mourinho, but you don't aknowledge Portos easy run to the final as well. As well as the Scholes goal not given against Porto.

Second of all, his record at Porto was great, but since then he's been exceedingly average in the transfer market. Some great buys, a lot of shit ones. He's still been able to dominate the transfer market in his respective countries since then.

Another point - I do think the team he inherited was better than the one he left. The one he inherited still had Terry and Lampard, Duff was a great winger for them etc etc. They certainly played much better football. Again people often say Rafa Benitez won the Champions League with Houlliers team, and it was the bulk of Ranieris team which won the Premiership, since then Mourinho won two titles, and then the team hasn't won much since.

Finally, Mourinho is arrogant, just found this quote by him:

“The circumstances are difficult for us with the new football rules that we have to face. It is not possible to have a penalty against Manchester United and it is not possible to have penalties in favour of Chelsea. It is not a conspiracy, it is fact. I speak facts. If not, I need big glasses”,

Cracked me up after all of us taking the michael out of Rafa. However Smurf you are right, I couldn't find anything baout him wanting another job.

 

[Wumminator]

Hell, I don't even agree with half of what I'm writing, it personally comes down to me thinking Mourinho is a bit of a cnut, and not suited to United. I don't like the media circus that comes with him, and I don't think he's all he's cracked up to be in management. I think taking someone like Blanc who has the most promising managerial record in all of Europe for a very young boss and giving him the job is a much more "united" appointment, allowing him to grow into legendary status. It's mostly just the romantacism of the idea, but I think he's done all he could so far to prove he has what it takes.

 

[phelans shorts]

Hell, I don't even agree with half of what I'm writing, it personally comes down to me thinking Mourinho is a bit of a cnut, and not suited to United. I don't like the media circus that comes with him, and I don't think he's all he's cracked up to be in management. I think taking someone like Blanc who has the most promising managerial record in all of Europe for a very young boss and giving him the job is a much more "united" appointment, allowing him to grow into legendary status. It's mostly just the romantacism of the idea, but I think he's done all he could so far to prove he has what it takes.

As I mentioned earlier, I seriously dispute he's more of a cnut than ferguson

I am a sucker for the romantic story in football most of the time, this is an exception though to me

 

[esmufc07]

Firstly Smurf, you mentiong Grants easy run to the final, and goals not given against Mourinho, but you don't aknowledge Portos easy run to the final as well. As well as the Scholes goal not given against Porto.

What people seem to forget is that, despite the Scholes' disallowed goal, we were still heading through until a Howard blunder allowed Costinha to score. Yes Scholes' goal clearly should have counted, but it didn't, we still did enough in that game to win it. Howard cost us, not the referee.

Porto didn't have an easy route to the final.They had to face United, Lyon (A team you yourself has said is so great, and a reason as to why Blanc has done such a wonderful job ), a team who were a fantastic side up until around 2007, then Deportivo, who had just beaten Milan 4-0. They also had a group consisting of Madrid, Marseille and Partizan. Easy route? No way, most teams would have fell at the first hurdle.

Second of all, his record at Porto was great, but since then he's been exceedingly average in the transfer market. Some great buys, a lot of shit ones. He's still been able to dominate the transfer market in his respective countries since then.

Someone has listed his buys while at Chelsea, of course he got some bad ones, he got some very good ones, but they guy is still only 46 (I think, maybe 47), and Chelsea was only his second major job, you can't have expected him to be a master in the transfer market. Most managers make some bad signings, name me one who hasn't.

Another point - I do think the team he inherited was better than the one he left. The one he inherited still had Terry and Lampard, Duff was a great winger for them etc etc. They certainly played much better football. Again people often say Rafa Benitez won the Champions League with Houlliers team, and it was the bulk of Ranieris team which won the Premiership, since then Mourinho won two titles, and then the team hasn't won much since.

He made Terry and Lampard into the players they are now, he instilled that mentality into them, that belief. That's a skill not many managers have, and a skill Sir Alex is praised for having. The team hasn't won much since, because Mourinho has left, and a resurgent United squad has come to the fore. Nothing to do with Mourinho, the squad has changed quite a bit since he left.

Finally, Mourinho is arrogant, just found this quote by him:

“The circumstances are difficult for us with the new football rules that we have to face. It is not possible to have a penalty against Manchester United and it is not possible to have penalties in favour of Chelsea. It is not a conspiracy, it is fact. I speak facts. If not, I need big glasses”,

Mind putting that into a bit of context for us? I remember it, and I remember him having a right to be angry, I just can't remember after what run of games the comment was made.

 

[esmufc07]

Hell, I don't even agree with half of what I'm writing, it personally comes down to me thinking Mourinho is a bit of a cnut, and not suited to United. I don't like the media circus that comes with him, and I don't think he's all he's cracked up to be in management. I think taking someone like Blanc who has the most promising managerial record in all of Europe for a very young boss and giving him the job is a much more "united" appointment, allowing him to grow into legendary status. It's mostly just the romantacism of the idea, but I think he's done all he could so far to prove he has what it takes.

So all it takes is to win a Ligue 1 to have the most promising managerial record in all of Europe? If so that's a sad indictment on the quality of young managers coming through.

 

[Wumminator]

So all it takes is to win a Ligue 1 to have the most promising managerial record in all of Europe? If so that's a sad indictment on the quality of young managers coming through.

Well yes. Winning a major league in your first managerial position, and also doing well in your Champions League group is very promising. No other young manager can match that.

 

[esmufc07]

He's done well, I'm not denying that. I just think you're overstating how good Ligue 1 is, when truth be told it's not very good at all. Is that Blanc's fault? No, of course not, he can only beat what's in front of him, but I'd like to see him be tested more before he's given what will be the biggest job in football. By the time the position becomes available, he may well have carried on his success and be a real candidate for the job, but he's simply not done enough yet to even be considered. Get the next appointment wrong and we could well go down the route of Liverpool.