Its nothing but a fitness thing and more and more an advertising thing. I doubt it meant everything to Liverpool, and if it did, it showed their small time mentality.
Man United v Liverpool Post Match
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Its nothing but a fitness thing and more and more an advertising thing. I doubt it meant everything to Liverpool, and if it did, it showed their small time mentality.
He didn't say shite now, he was surrounded by players that aren't ready to play for the first team.
He's a bit sour with it but I'd accept that level of honesty over fans hiding behind empty phrases such as Utd way or how we excel in bringing youth through etc.
We can't talk ourselves into our youth players being ready / good enough
If the other option is Darmian i will take just back off holiday Lindelof thanks.
even if you think it you don't say it
the man is a cock and i'm amazed anyone can defend that quote
Keane was moved on for less and there's fantastic potential in many of our youth players - why on Earth would you insult them like that
Great post mate, great post. After reading some of the very over the top reactions and hatred on here, I was about to make a similar post, but then i saw your post. Thank you, you saved my time. I wish all our fans were as sensible as you are.
But having said that, I am really worried about this season. Not coz of the pre-season results, but coz of the absence of most of our first teamers and I am sure that most of them won't be fit enough for the first few matches. Matic, Valencia, Fred and Dalot are injured. And it seems Martial is on his way out. We badly need 2-3 more signings within a week.
I knew this thread was going to be hard work today.
I'm not abandoning all hope just yet. We've still got our first team to come back and the possibility of one or two more signings.
Chill out.
I'm not abandoning all hope just yet. We've still got our first team to come back and the possibility of one or two more signings.
Chill out.
We started the game in the following lineup:
Grant, Darmian, Fosu-Mensah, Bailly, Tuanzebe, Mitchell, McTominay, Herrera, Pereira, Mata, Sanchez.
Bailly and Sanchez are the only genuine first-teamers in the entire lineup.
Stop making a mountain out of a molehill.
Grant, Darmian, Fosu-Mensah, Bailly, Tuanzebe, Mitchell, McTominay, Herrera, Pereira, Mata, Sanchez.
Bailly and Sanchez are the only genuine first-teamers in the entire lineup.
Stop making a mountain out of a molehill.
Its not even the quality of the youth, all but Pereira couldn't play a forward pass all game.
I'd include Mata in that as well. Our youth have a habit of coasting over the last few seasons if we're being honest. Performances like last night aren't acceptable at any level
People need to listen to this guy. And remember the dippers had to dive for two of their goals.
If we get this type of performance and result against leicester, then i'll be worried.
I thought all the fake stuff had been taken out.
Is there a real copy of the post match presser?
Is there a real copy of the post match presser?
The man desperately needs to have some PR lessons. He's bang on about our main squad being MIA though.
See 6:47 - the absolute contempt with which he uses the term 'soccer'he looked like he wanted to strangle the journalist with her upbeat question about promoting football in America. Poor Woman.
That part I totally agreed with. It is only called Soccer there because of the American Football rubbish.
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I am as well. I'm more worried about our attack because we're missing all our strikers and it leaves you wondering where the goals will come from. Which was a problem area last season. This is the worst time for Martial to be going AWOL, he was on the plan to start against Leicester up front with Sanchez.
I'm kinda expecting a slow start to our season due to all the absences. Hope I'm proven wrong and if it does happen, I hope we recover from it quick enough to mount a challenge at least.
Saw this ref Everton but rings true.
Good way of looking at things. Mourinho needs to be judged when he has something near a proper squad at his disposal. Let’s see what happens against Leicester.
Am I missing something today? I’ve just watched the press conference and don’t see the problem with anything Mourinho said, the Alexis quote flying around isn’t what he actually said, and People analysing the way he said the word “soccer” need to give their fecking head a wobble ffs.
We can't judge until all our squad is back, and that might not even be till the 2nd or 3rd game of the season.
Yeah
I've watched it twice and I am still yet to discover the shockingly negative attitude Jose is supposed to have expressed.
People are either lying or simply lack basic comprehension skills.
how can actually anyone defend this?? Grant is a PL quality keeper, Darmian has nearly 100 starts for our club, Fosu-Mensah, premier league player, although young, McTominay played also in some bigger games last season, Mata started for us more often than not, on of the best attacking players in the league even a bit past it, Herrera proven premier league player POTY 2016, only rookies are Mitchell and Tuanzebe
Compared to Liverpool, who are the genuine starters for them like you mentioned? Only Salah, Mane and Van Dijk, Milner and Lallana are also not starters. Moreno is shit, Camacho and Grabara are teenegers of the same age as Gomes/Chong
Second half they send players like Gomez, Grujic, Chirivella, Jones, Ojo, Phillips, Woodburn in which world is this their starting 11? And they even got better second half and absolutely pinned us to the box, and maybe it is because of their manager can actually apply his philosophy and has tactics...
In which world is to hoof the ball to their centreback any legit tactics. Jose Mourinho became an absolute shambolic manager and I can only laugh if someone like you still believe his rhetorics. He made you believe that we played completely B team/ youngsters against first teamers, whereas they played about the same team and completely dominated us. It is still a fecking derby and we shouldn't be battered like this.
It is also up to him a s manager that he put trust into dross players like McTominay and Darmian and made them play for the first team.
And this is just talking about his tactics and football approach. If we talk about how how shit he talks in the media about the players and the club, how he always defends himself first. He is a selfish moron who should be sacked asap because if he stays longer the negativity around him will force some of the players out and the complete meltdown is coming for sure..
We fielded a pretty strong first half team, but to say we were full strength is a massive stretch.
Missed
Our top 3 keepers
Clyne
TAA
Lovren
Matip
Henderson
Gini
Keita
Henderson
Firmino
Our second half team was mostly u-23.. and I'd say guess our first half team had 3 players that will be in our starting 11. Albeit 3 of our most important.
You missed depth for sure, but you werent trotting out a team like city or PSG. Still had experience in there. Average age of your starting 11 was actually older than ours.
If Jose meant 'surrounded by a load of shite' (I have'nt heard the quote) then he is referring to Mata, Herrera, Periera and McTominay, and maybe you should throw in the wing-backs Darmian & Mitchell as well.
So where's the controversy ? Mata has passed his sell by date and was anonymous, Herrera (captain btw) has suffered one of the biggest fall from grace I have known (POTY to Club Jester), McTominay should not be anywhere near a United first team, Darmian wants away, Mitchell was unsure of what he was supposed to be doing and Periera struggled because of the lack of cohesion between him Herrera & McTominay and seemed to throw in the towel early in the second half (maybe he's had too much game time on this pointless tour) ?
I'm not a great fan of the Sanchez signing (he's the reason Martial wants away), but he deserves to play alongside better players than those above, that said how many will start against Leicester ?
Darmian will still be here to play the first couple of games by which time Young will be back, I'm more worried about who's playing LB
Surely the conversation is more about whether it's appropriate to say that to the media? You may be right, the players you listed may not be good enough, just doesnt do much for morale when you basically disown 70% of your touring preseason squad.
You would presume Shaw until Young has had his allocated rest, but I just get the impression Young will try to come back early.
Yet none of which are genuine first-team players. Mata and Herrera, excellent players in their own right, are nothing more than squad players. Mctominay, TFM, Mitchell and Tuanzebe are academy graduates with minimal experience and questionable ability. We simply do not know if they will make it yet and any assumptions to the contrary would be foolish.
Moreno and Lallana both start for Liverpool when fit (at least they did before Klopp's wild spending spree this summer) in addition to the 3 you mentioned above, that would make 6 first team players opposed to the two that represented United.
The very same world that saw United finish second in the league last year, some 2 places above your mighty Liverpool I might add. Laugh at me all you want, we'll see who's laughing come the end of the season. It's a friendly game, nothing more nothing less. Control yourself and stop acting like a spoiled child.
Are you a United fan or yet another fake dipper in disguise?
The comments are just stupid and just another way of deflecting blame and taking no responsibility. All if the top teams have players missing, we are not some special case. Jose has already made it clear that this is not ideal at the very beginning, we get it. There is no reason to keep moaning about it though, as that is not going to change anything. Instead of being a negative moaning twat, how about doing something about it and at least try to be positive.
The only real youngster that played that has not played much before is Tuanzebe. TFM and Mitchell have been on loans previously and likely will be out on loan again, they are not players who are still playing at academy level. The rest will be a part of our full squad, who will be with us for tge entire season.
The only real youngster that played that has not played much before is Tuanzebe. TFM and Mitchell have been on loans previously and likely will be out on loan again, they are not players who are still playing at academy level. The rest will be a part of our full squad, who will be with us for tge entire season.
Yes we did finish 2nd playing tumescent football, Liverpool finished lower but still got in the CL. Bet their fans are perfectly happy with that and the sheer excitement of getting to a CL final, even if it gave United fans a good laugh in the end, rather than capitulating against a shit Sevilla side and not competing in an F.A. Cup final. Their season will have given them more good memories than ours has given us.
Dont think you watched us much last season. Robertson was comfortably our best LB. Lallana was hurt pretty much all of last season. Dont think they'll sniff a regular starting spot. Prob not to dissimilar to mctominay.
I mentioned that the other day, that it is the same for everyone, he just isn't dealing with it very well.
The amount of quality missing from our side is amazing.
Pogba
Rashford
Lingard
Jones
Young
Matic
Lindelöf
would all be first choice or one of the 3 subs if they were present. Other than making a money grab from being in the US we could well have done some skills training and played lower league teams in Europe for competition.
Fred and Dalot just joined in and barely played yet. Matic appears to be still injured. Martial is AWOL.
Add to the fact Jose moaning about lack of transfers and this is depressing to follow as a fan.
Pogba
Rashford
Lingard
Jones
Young
Matic
Lindelöf
would all be first choice or one of the 3 subs if they were present. Other than making a money grab from being in the US we could well have done some skills training and played lower league teams in Europe for competition.
Fred and Dalot just joined in and barely played yet. Matic appears to be still injured. Martial is AWOL.
Add to the fact Jose moaning about lack of transfers and this is depressing to follow as a fan.
don't have energy to argue with you sorry, they played even more youngsters than us. I am not sure if youre blind or a fan of Mourinho, I am a fan of Manchester United not a manager who makes excuses just to defend himself. It was a big lie, first teamers against kids and if you believe that I feel for you
He is getting annoying with the woe be me attitude. Doubt the WC players returning will like it either with all this negativity. It just does not help anyone.
Oh come on... if Moreno and Lallana were "starters", Mata and Herrera surely would be too. It's a pre-season game that usually is not representative, but this is just ridiculous. Their C-team beat yours, and I wouldn't make too much of it since Mou relies on individual quality oppose to Klopp when attacking anyway. Individually, your attack is up there with any PL team. Sanchez was one of the best players in the PL before his move, Lukaku is a striker that can bully any defender and probably the best finisher in the league, Martial would probably start for us and Pogba is one of the key players for the current WC champions.
If he is in a job next season, he will have all his players, bar any injuries, so no excuses then.
They made the CL final after one of the easiest runs in the history of the competition, and once they made that final they met a proper team and decisively lost - as expected by many on here myself included. Our own CL campaign was far from a success I admit.
When all is said and done, Liverpool finished the season trophyless (again!) and below United in the table. We had the more 'successful' season of the two.
It's a training game, so why are we deciding to play like Stoke? The result is meaningless after all. Have a go.
Surely you want to press, get on the ball and get a good work out that way?
Surely you want to press, get on the ball and get a good work out that way?
We had two players who would be in our strongest starting line up, and one of those was bailly, who only arguably would be in it, and only came in at the last minute due to smalling getting injured in the warm up.
It's not really a basis to judge anything is what I'm saying. Five of our starting line up were youth team players.
I'm not concerned about Liverpool beating our non team 4-1 in a friendly game, particularly given how the game was played with dodgy penalties being handed out and Sanchez being kicked every time he went near the ball. There we a different situation and attitude the two teams approached the game with.
I'm concerned that come the start of the season, our team won't have enough of our actual players back or up to speed.
Even with the players who weren't on world cup duty, which is literally half our squad, there was Shaw, Martial, Matic, Smalling missing on top of that. There is no team in the pl that can realistically compete at the level they want with two thirds of their squad missing.
I'm not making anything of last nights game - the same cannot be said of many United fans on here though.
It was a friendly comprised of a group of players who will see very little game time next season. Really is as simple as that.