Crazy that we're letting City have a free run at Mahrez while targeting a lesser player in Willian..
Mahrez | Signed with City
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Mahrez is obviously a very good player but he also sounds like he d probably be a massive PIA to deal with for the club. No point in getting sour over someone who the club doesn't want or someone who doesnt wanna come here. Next.
Because City/Liverpool don’t have whiny fans who hate the idea of added quality. If we sign Mahrez, Lingard FC will go bonkers on Jose for trying to stifle his talent.
Jose signed Sanchez and the fans of Martial believe it’s the sole reason Martial’s form went to shit & ultimately cost him a place in the World Cup squad.
Good players embrace the challenge, weak players run from the challenge of having to compete with quality players. City have Sterling, David Silva, Bernado Silva and Sane as wing options and yet they are still going after Mahrez.
I don’t think United fans would want that much quality on the wing cos it would limit the game time of their favourite players. United fans idolise the players much more than the club.
I don't find it surprising in the least. He was one of those who downed tools on Ranieri and Jose is probably understandably wary over players like that after the way his second stint at Chelsea ended.
he's best right sided player in the league outside the top 3 or 4, a position we desperately need to strengthen, and we're seemingly making no effort to get him despite it not being a particularly big fee.
Odd.
Odd.
So City has paid 60M or whatever for possibly a 4th choice winger, aged 27. Right.
And clubs wonder why their academy stars are going to Germany.
If this leaves Sterling or Sane short of playing time and unhappy figures, the league should be thrilled with this move.
And clubs wonder why their academy stars are going to Germany.
If this leaves Sterling or Sane short of playing time and unhappy figures, the league should be thrilled with this move.
Mahrez is going to play on the Right wing. So, he would start most of the games and rotate with Sterling... Sane is going to start on the LW.
But it's different when adding quality to a good side as compared to what we were trying with falcao and Di Maria
I see it now as City having three natural wingers who will rotate in Sane, Sterling, and Mahrez. With the amount of matches and injuries that occur all three will get plenty of game time. B. Silva is not a winger and will be 4th choice out widewide him getting more game time centrally. Could also even see Diaz being above Silva as 4th choice winger by the end of the season. Wasn't happy with this deal when the price being quoted was 80 million but at 60 it is very good business.
He is a cm for Pep. Don't you think there is a problem with having three left wingers and one right winger who plays his best at the center than the right?
When people say why can't we do our business like Chelsea or City, they need to remember how long this has been rumbling on, and still isn't done.
They do aim for a quadruple, remember ?
Bah, nothing to worry about, he's hardly Lee Grant.
That would be odd since Sterling is the best winger they have -- before the transfer and after.
Sterling aint a better footballer then Mahrez
Pretty much every statistical measure says otherwise. And Sterling is younger and still yet to reach his peak. Maybe they got Mahrez just to play against Liverpool since Sterling doesn't usually do too well against them haha.
cant remember the last time Sterling was the key part in a relegation predicted team winning the league or being player of the year, or even playing in a team that don't all out attack, not really sure how you measure them in stats? can see the difference in Sterling since pep has taken over, imagine what he will do with a player like Mahrez
You just need your own eyes to see Marhez is a more talented footballer than Sterling.
City can have who they want as long as we sign Maguire.
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pls noYeah, pesky things like objective evidence just in the way of "the eye test". My next question is always "how do I know that you know what you're looking at and how to assess?"
Mahrez to me was a one year wonder that played over his head like everyone else on that team that year, largely due to N'Golo Kante's influence on the game. Mahrez is good, of course, but Sterling is rounding into one of the best all-around wide attackers in the league and will only get better.
The market would agree if Sterling was at all for sale.
I think your choosing to see what you want to see, Sterling is a good player, absolutely no doubt but his performances are helped massively by playing in the best team in the league for arguably the best manager in the league. He relies massively on his pace, and for space to play into. Marhez is technically a better player in most aspects of his game, stats wise he equalled Stirling's assist figure and still got 11 goals for a team that finished 9th.
I agree. It's always easier to play in a high flying team and there's a lot of evidence that at City, the team is greater than the sum of its parts.
I consider it far more impressive if someone has stellar seasons with mediocre players around him. Mahrez consistently shows he's a level above his teammates at Leicester and is the MVP for Algeria. While Sterling is just a cog for City and for England he has the worst record out of any forward in living memory.
I like Sterling, I think he's better than what he's showing for England but I also think he's worse than what he's recently shown for City.
City have been patient to make sure they're getting their targets for the right price. When talks with Leicester started, they wanted £80m, City are looking likely to get him for £60m. When talks with Napoli started for Jorginho, they wanted £65m, City are days away from signing him for £43m.
City have shown they can get it done very quickly when they want to (Bernardo, Danilo), but have shown that they are willing to wait, or even forgo the transfer altogether, if the selling clubs are asking for too much.
Getting Mahrez and Jorginho for ~£100m is very good business. Two top quality players that plug the only two holes left in City's squad.
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People who use stats as definitive evidence in football, don’t understand football. They can be helpful, but that’s it.
if they would have offered £60m at the start of last January they probably would have got him then, come in on the last day or so of course the price sky rockets as replacing the player is that much harder
And I think people here are biased by him having played for Liverpool and City where Mahrez hasn't played for either one -- yet. So they haven't got as negative an impression.
Whatever, the market and pretty much every club in the league agrees with me. If Sterling was sold he'd go for more than 100M, easily more. He's already been sold for about what Mahrez was in a less heady market, as a less developed player.
Even the garbage teams in the league, and even in the Championship, use statistics extensively to supplement *experienced* expert scouting. Let alone randos on a message board.
Maybe we'll see what the market values Sterling at someday, but it won't be soon because City has absolutely no intention of finding out what the market values him at. He's developed and still developing into a very very good player.
Sterling will never be able to shoot, he scores lots of tap ins, that is a skill in itself but you take away Silva and KDB putting them on a plate for him and you see what Sterling is really like with England
Sterling will be more expensive for a few reasons, he is English and he is young. I have no real hate for Liverpool so I do not see how I am biased. If you ask most fans who is the better player, Sterling or Mahrez I would say a good 75% would say Mahrez.
He has definitely improved from the past couple of years, during which he also had Silva and KDB at his disposal. 23 goals compared with 10 the year before.
Here is a good way to look at it, put Sterling in the Leicester team of last year and imagine how well he would have done.
I'd say its more because he gets into the box more often rather than his shooting is better
He did miss some sitters this season.
Really don't know where the notion that he's a Ben Arfa type personality has come from.
He was the consummmate professional from the moment his star rose high enough for elite clubs to come in for him, ignoring interest from Arsenal in 2015-2016 before playing all through the 2016-2017 summer speculation while the likes of Coutinho, Sanchez and Van Djik were hit by horribly unfortunate injuries.
It was only when he had his move to Manchester City scuppered in January by absurd £90m demands from Leicester - raised from £40m the previous summer and despite already having been promised his move should an acceptable offer be presented - and so he probably really started to fear his ambitions would go unfulfilled and began attempting to force things.
Natural PITA he is not, he's always come across as a super humble guy to me, getting kicked around in the Championship to now.
he's being paid over £100k/week and had his agent talk about slavery when we turned down a bid that came in on the last day of a transfer window and any Promise would have been made by a manager he played a part in getting sacked very early in the season oh and lets not forget HE WENT ON FECKING STRIKE at a time when we had a realistic chance of cracking the top 6 which completely derailed our season
The transfer was being discussed for 2/3 weeks prior to the last-minute bid, the bid only happened as a last-ditch "try our luck" response to Leicester's exorbitant demands. Diabate had already been brought in as an insurance policy anyway and Patrick Roberts was supposed to be part of the deal so having to replace Mahrez was a non-issue.
If you had stayed loyal to the club in 2015-2016 despite massive interest and others like Kante cashing their chips, see Kante win the league while you request your own move to Roma in summer 2016-2017 but have that rejected, stay professional and playing anyway while all around you while other players in similar positions are striking, then see those striking players actually get their moves in January while your club ruins yours again by demanding ludicrous money from Manchester... you're coming to your late 20s...
How do you think you would react?
Kante had a buy out clause, Mahrezx doubled his own wages Diabate was bought to join the U23s but was chucked in as he impressed after being recommended by Puel's son who was his teammate and you were trying to price Roberts at close to £30m as part of the deal.
How would I react, maybe I would remember the club I'm at took a chance on me when I couldn't get a game for Le Harve and I have tried and failed to force a move a couple of windows in a row but failed due to a lack of interest and wondered what I was doing to put clubs off, remained professional and turned up for work publicly told my agent to stop talking about slavery when I am making 6 figures per week and understood that the market had shifted and what was a fair price pre Neymar isn't after it.
Oh by the way he withdrew his transfer request so he could demand a "loyalty" payment, and a few weeks before that said he would stay "if the club matches my ambition"
Much like Danny Drinkwater Riyad Mahrez will very quickly come to realize how good he had it here and regret leaving and he's shit on his legacy here to find that out.
How would I react, maybe I would remember the club I'm at took a chance on me when I couldn't get a game for Le Harve and I have tried and failed to force a move a couple of windows in a row but failed due to a lack of interest and wondered what I was doing to put clubs off, remained professional and turned up for work publicly told my agent to stop talking about slavery when I am making 6 figures per week and understood that the market had shifted and what was a fair price pre Neymar isn't after it.
Oh by the way he withdrew his transfer request so he could demand a "loyalty" payment, and a few weeks before that said he would stay "if the club matches my ambition"
Much like Danny Drinkwater Riyad Mahrez will very quickly come to realize how good he had it here and regret leaving and he's shit on his legacy here to find that out.
He’s the real deal. I would love him here. Fabulous footballer.
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