Makes one mistake, is now shit again.
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This is the way.
Maguire's Redemption | One-year option triggered
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Actually 2 mistakes. A free header missed, should have been 2-0. Then the defending error.
In his defence he was nudged slightly for the Rangers goal. While it wasn't something that should've affected him too much, it was as bad or worse as the "push" from Yoro on their defender for the disallowed goal.
Exactly what I was thinking when I saw the goal. If Maguire had gone down pretending to be pushed, he would have probably got the foul.
With his body size, and experience, and he actually head the ball, nothing should have affected him.
I excuse Garnacho for his poor decision in front of goal, on his inexperience. But not Maguire.
We’ll be backs-to-the-wall for 80 minutes tomorrow against Fulham and he’ll be back to shagger champion of the world status again
Same as oppposite. Plays good 2 games in deep defence and defensive setup; redemption.
It strikes me how after 5 years fans are still fickle regarding Maguire when it is said and seen dozen and dozen times;
Solid PL defender which is really very good for a team which play defensive football with deep back line. In that setup his good traits (good in air, strong, tall) prevail.
On the other hand he is out of depth and liability in attacking team with high line. In that setup his flaws (slow, immobile, dodgy decision making) come out on surface.
Yep, you can see that by how they've all come crawling out the woodwork at what they consier the first opportunity.Of course he would. I'm not surprised many are delighted the foul wasn't given though
You can see how biased they are when they don't even consider the push in the back, just call it an error.
But he didn't mess it up, he was pushed whilst in the air.
Didn't even make a mistake, people just feel the need to crap on him.
He was nudged i agree, but seemed to mistime his jump and once he feels the push he should go down. Other teams do this stuff constantly against us
Let's leave Harry's surname out of it and just think of just a player in a play
1. He commands the line in such situations and he got caught keeping onside the rival, first mistake
2. Shit happens, not everytime the offside line works, so the first thing to do is to be aware where it's your rival, keep him on check, do not loose your whole attention in an aerial ball, less with such an announced and high one
3. The nudge it's sthg that happens all the time all over the pitch, will happen, he has to impose and be more clever and nasty, expecting to control that ball without anyone bothering him, it's silly
It all ends on a mess and also the rival has his merit, his control was superb and his finish great, it could have end in nothing without these two ingredients.
Now since the player in question was Harry and stuff with him would tend to end always in Black or White, fair or not, some might go over the top, but it's going also over the top to not see any responsability from him in that play.
Plus since he is Harry, it's not the first time he struggles to control, nor feel confident with these type of balls and it shows.
There were people actually celebrating us extending his contract.
He's been an abomination today.
Back to the form we all started hating him for.
I really thought he'd improved too.
I really thought he'd improved too.
How can we have such clowns running a football club that can't see the most obvious stuff going?
He had some really bad games 2 and 3 years ago but this has to be one of his worst halfs in United shirt, if not the worst.
What the feck was he doing for both goals. Heading into their players for first and for second getting twisted and turned and then glued to the spot letting the player jump without having any awareness of players around him.
Back to scapegoat for the fools panicking trying not to blame the coach for how the team is coached
what would letting him go achieve and trying to replace yet another player this summer? your anger would be satisfied?
we were terrible without him, improved with him, now the whole team is falling apart as they realise the situation is untenable for a manager with this squad to have no improved in 3 /4 months and be in relegation form. if we had money we could let his contract expire. it would be incredibly dim to let it expire.
People are far too invested in performances on a game to game basis and not looking at the wider picture of "does this player have the qualities and attributes to be a consistently great player?"
He's one of the slowest moving players in the league. He's slow to distribute the ball, slow to turn, slow to run, slow to react. He's so aware of his slowness he'll inexplicably play offside traps because he doesn't want to run back.
That's just who he is. He can't improve these things.
He can have some games where those flaws aren't exposed and he just heads the aerial balls. But he can never be a consistently elite player.
He’s better than any other CB at the club. If we can get 3 better centre halves, then fine, he won’t play.
Exactly this. Even Onana will have some good games and saves. But the fundamentals won't change. Maguire should only be used as a sub.
That just shows how bad our CB's are.
Hopefully INEOS will everything they can to sell in the summer now. I'd take anyone who's over 6'2, can run and head a ball as a replacement, youth or cheap prospect.
Apart from the goals, he gave Everton players a few free headers. it is shambolic since supposedly his strength is in the air.
Still won the most headers on the pitch though.
I'll say the same I've said in the perfomance thread:
At this point with him it's not a question of perfomances from daily basis, it's about what he brings to the table in characteristics since day one, the big sum paid for him and the concept of trying to build a defensive line around him for years to come.
If it didn't worked for many reasons time ago, to nowadays try it again with the lad being way older it does not look like the wisest choice.
At this point with him it's not a question of perfomances from daily basis, it's about what he brings to the table in characteristics since day one, the big sum paid for him and the concept of trying to build a defensive line around him for years to come.
If it didn't worked for many reasons time ago, to nowadays try it again with the lad being way older it does not look like the wisest choice.
Guy is the only CB we have who can consistently hit a long ball.
I think there will be some buyers for Maguire.
I don't understand why we've kept him for an extra year? We had the chance to get him off the wage bill and move forward but we decided to stick with him!
Id rather take a chance on anybody else in the summer. Hes never ever going to be consistently good enough at this level.
Id rather take a chance on anybody else in the summer. Hes never ever going to be consistently good enough at this level.
Money.
Evans is leaving while Martinez is fecked. Maguire was kept to give heaven and kukonki time to ease in
I don't think we need him to be a consistently elite player to be fair. he is 32 in a few weeks. we play 3 centre backs. we are very frail from corners when he isn't playing, stats wise one of the worst in europe. we benefit from maguire in the squad in the short term. we can worry about getting rid of players for not being 'consistently elite' when he have even one other player that qualifies as that and when we aren't in clear relegation form
probably why you dont manage a premiership football team. if we emotionally ran down every contract after bad performances we would have zero players.
Think about it.
Lindelof and Evans will be released.
We stubbornly play three at the back and have De Ligt, Maguire, Yoro fit.
Martinez out deep into next season, Shaw very unreliable. Maz is sort of OK at different positions but not a centre back.
Money is going to be tight this summer anyway, we don't want to have to find another 30-40m for another centre back to match Maguire's output.
You say that like it's a bad thing!
So your logic is that it's better to keep/extend players that consistently under perform?
I know money is tight but Maguire will never ever be good enough, yet he's still here!
That's just inaccurate on many levels
You can't blame a coach for a player's inability to read the game and then jump to head a ball in the air. Amorim has yet to convince a lot of people on his tactics, me included but to blame the coach for individual errors is rubbish.
Need to badly get rid of this guy in the summer, it's the last time he'll have some value left in him, maybe 20m or something like that.