Maguire's Redemption | One-year option triggered

NZT-One said:
I agree. I also think that both options weren't great and rather a choice between two subpar options than between a good and a bad one. I guess, the thing that is triggering me is that so many posters in here acted as if there was no alternative at all. But yeah, if the extention has been done to get a fee, than I will be happy to admit my mistake in this regard.

Yes, I don't see it like that but I can see the rationale behind it. I guess, my approach would be more crass(?), I would have offloaded him long ago and thats why I consider this an "hanging thread" that needs to cut finally. I think, the mindset of "who would be a good player to have around?" isn't forceful enough for what we have to do (in my opinion).
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If there was a 'what we should have done as a club' list, extending Maguire would be far down that. The issue isn't what's happened before, it's what happening right now under INEO. They weren't decisive enough in the summer to get rid of ETH (which Ashworth paid the price for) and probably didn't want to sell Maguire given the choices. So knowing what INEO know now, the extension was probably the only logical choice even if it means him seeing out the contract with us here. It's kicking the can down the road but at least it's with some thought and hopefully planning as compared to previous 'protecting the value' bollocks of before.

Of course I'd love to bring another defender if finances permitting for a 'cheap' 10-30m athletic prospect from France or Germany and have him there instead of Maguire but that would be a gamble in the board's eye. Heck, we bought the most talented and hyped teenage French defender of a generation and he's look like a fish out of water in his starts for us.
 
criticalanalysis said:
If there was a 'what we should have done as a club' list, extending Maguire would be far down that. The issue isn't what's happened before, it's what happening right now under INEO. They weren't decisive enough in the summer to get rid of ETH (which Ashworth paid the price for) and probably didn't want to sell Maguire given the choices. So knowing what INEO know now, the extension was probably the only logical choice even if it means him seeing out the contract with us here. It's kicking the can down the road but at least it's with some thought and hopefully planning as compared to previous 'protecting the value' bollocks of before.

Of course I'd love to bring another defender if finances permitting for a 'cheap' 10-30m athletic prospect from France or Germany and have him there instead of Maguire but that would be a gamble in the board's eye. Heck, we bought the most talented and hyped teenage French defender of a generation and he's look like a fish out of water in his starts for us.
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We need to go buy Jared Branthwaite, He has it all and he’s PL proven, he has the pace and physicality that a United CB needs, if we have to see Martinez and let Lindelof and Evans go to make it happen then so be it.

Then I still think we need a mobile monster like Diomende to play in the middle.
 
It's crazy that we have people coming in this thread wanna get Maguire sold again because of a defeat against Brighton where he played well.

He is also our best defender this season.
 
Yakuza_devils said:
It's crazy that we have people coming in this thread wanna get Maguire sold again because of a defeat against Brighton where he played well.

He is also our best defender this season.
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He's distinctly average but we all know it by now and accept it. Spare us the shill, it's been a tough weekend for all.
 
Yakuza_devils said:
Average? Feck me. Then we should sell all our other CBs first?
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Distinctly average, as in middle of the road, par for the course. I look at the table and see the teams just above us, Brentford, Fulham etc. and he certainly wouldn't get into their teams as a starter. On current form none of our CBs would, but we are talking about Maguire here. You think he has not been average, therefore he has been good this season?
 
tomaldinho1 said:
Distinctly average, as in middle of the road, par for the course. I look at the table and see the teams just above us, Brentford, Fulham etc. and he certainly wouldn't get into their teams as a starter. On current form none of our CBs would, but we are talking about Maguire here. You think he has not been average, therefore he has been good this season?
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He has been excellent in my book.
 
Yakuza_devils said:
He has been excellent in my book.
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When he’s one of our more reliable players; well that tells you all you need to know about the state of our squad.
 
He has an enormous problem in European games. It's odd. The biggest mistakes always occur in Europe.
 
So many people have short memories. He’s as bang average as you get being paid £200k a week. Should never have been given a contract extension even with losing Lindelof and Evans. Go and get a CB on a free transfer.
 
Nothing we haven’t seen for years. Shame because he was decent from the much I saw.
Hopefully he ends up a squad option and not a starter sooner than later (or sold for a decent amount). Best for everyone involved.
 
evil_geko said:
Haters couldn't wait for their moment, been a long time.
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Not really, it was bound to happen with Maguire. Just glad Bruno saved him. It is what it is, Maguire will make mistakes and hopefully those mistakes just wont have much impact. Bit like how i hope Onana his mistakes come at moments it doesnt affect the result much.
 
evil_geko said:
Haters couldn't wait for their moment, been a long time.
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Totally, the schadenfreude (at least in my case) of course doesn't have anything to do with the way some on here depicted him. Wasn't there even talk about one of the best CCB? :lol:

I mean, obviously, everybody can make a mistake here and there, even the best. It is still ironic
 
Josep Dowling said:
So many people have short memories. He’s as bang average as you get being paid £200k a week. Should never have been given a contract extension even with losing Lindelof and Evans. Go and get a CB on a free transfer.
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Could and should have signed Mario Hermoso for free last summer but we decided against it.

I also agree that Maguire should never have been give an extension; you just know he'll do something stupid and put you in a difficult position at the worst moment.

Instead of getting rid we still look for extensions.
 
Shame tonight because he has been really reliable for the last year.
Should've scored as well
 
That missed header chance was awful considering how solid he is in the air. Yes, a slight push in the back for their goal but I think he got his positioning slightly off, too. Luckily enough neither mattered in the end!
 
Leftback99 said:
Of course he would. I'm not surprised many are delighted the foul wasn't given though :lol:
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He could have played him offside, got onside of the player, gone down to win a freekick, argued with the ref about the push. Instead he was weak and didn’t react. A back 3 hides his flaws but they’re still there.

People saying he’s one of our best CBs just shows the state of the club, not the quality of the player. He should have been going this summer. Jonathan Tah is available on a free.
 
Josep Dowling said:
He could have played him offside, got onside of the player, gone down to win a freekick, argued with the ref about the push. Instead he was weak and didn’t react. A back 3 hides his flaws but they’re still there.

People saying he’s one of our best CBs just shows the state of the club, not the quality of the player. He should have been going this summer. Jonathan Tah is available on a free.
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Jonathan Tah was literally being slagged off the other day for his performance. Maguire has been great recently for us. He made a mistake, should have dealt with it better.
 
I dont think a terrible mistake should change the fact he's been very good for us for about a year now.
 
NZT-One said:
Totally, the schadenfreude (at least in my case) of course doesn't have anything to do with the way some on here depicted him. Wasn't there even talk about one of the best CCB? :lol:

I mean, obviously, everybody can make a mistake here and there, even the best. It is still ironic
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Hey hey, one of the best CCB in the world and if you dont rate Maguire you dont know football! I dont think anyone really hates Maguire right because what he came back from is quite impressive but his die-hard fan(s) on this forum can be a bit annoying/deluded.

Jumping at every chance to put in any negative comment towards Harry Maguire his replacement (de Ligt) but Maguire is always absolved of any blame and one of the best CCB in the world. When you dont agree, you dont know football.
 
he should be smarter there, hes messed it up and should go down under the touch, especially given what was disallowed for us
 
Shame about the error and fortunate Bruno bailed him out. Also should have scored. FFS my intention was to say he largely played well overall but I might have talked myself out of it. I like his passing. There.
 
Bad mistake, is he carrying a knock? Looked to be holding his leg for a good chunk of the half.
 
That was the old Maguire creeping in wasn't it? Wrong positioning for the headed, got fouled but didn't have the presence of mind to exaggerate being pushed and then had the exasperated gormless look on his face as he realizes he's made another glaring, meme-able error.
 
So pushing someone mid-air while they're jumping for the ball isn’t a foul. Unless it's a United player doing the pushing, then it's a foul.

I'm starting to understand the rules.
 
This is his 6th season, he'll be 32 in March and by now we all know who he is as a player. He is a typical mid to bottom table team player who is good in a low block. If we have plans to rise above current state then he simply cannot be a regular starter at this club starting next season. If we want to be a middling top 6-8 team, then he can start 30+ games, some of which will be good and keep the endless debates going.
 
Insanity said:
This is his 6th season, he'll be 32 in March and by now we all know who he is as a player. He is a typical mid to bottom table team player who is good in a low block. If we have plans to rise above current state then he simply cannot be a regular starter at this club starting next season. If we want to be a middling top 6-8 team, then he can start 30+ games, some of which will be good and keep the endless debates going.
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This. His redemption has come from the fact he’s been in a poor team that has had a lot of defending for 18 months.

Front foot football is a real struggle with him in the side though.
 
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He's so slow on the ball. I mean really, he hasn't suddenly turned into a world class defender, nor will he. He's a technically limited, slow footballer who isn't the most athletic. He is what he is...........average, but can have a great game on the odd occasion when the opposition suits him. For me, he's a squad player, rather than someone I'd want to rely on starting every week.
 
Never rated him. Still don't. Don't get the praise he's recieving. So often terrible in big games, ponderous and slow on the ball. Has always lacked urgency.
One of the many reasons we're always leaking goals at the back. And for someone so good in the air internationally has always missed sitters for us. 80m was always a farce. His attitude and commitment has never been a question.
 
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