Maguire | he stays!

I will be amazed if someone doesn't value him at somewhere between £25-£35 million, if we've got to then pay him £10-£15 million of this to make up his wages for a couple of years the so be it, but there is no way he can't leave.
 
Except he wasn't and isn't, he just doesn't suit the style we want to play, given he's a nailed on starter for England despite not playing much football shows that the standard of English CB's is either seriously poor or he's actually a better player than given credit for
He's shit and even he knows it. Just because Southgate is playing him doesn't mean anything to us.
 
There's a lot of subtle pressure that can be applied even if it's not that extreme. The most public example of it is the RM / Bale saga. So far we haven't even released a comment saying we want him to leave. You can have Gary Neville / other ex-Utd folks to amp up the pressure saying he needs to play or lose his place in the euros and so on.

The club is too nice, we need to get a bit of ruthlessness back into the way we do business.

Stripping the captaincy would be a good start.
I wouldn't use the Bale thing as an example, Bale agreed a move out of RM to China and RM blocked it

As for United, maybe EtH doesn't want him to leave, who knows what the clubs position is, no one at the club has ever commented on it that I'm aware of
 
You asked for an example and I gave it to you. My point is that it hasn't hurt their recruitment one bit. In fact, I bet Casillas doesn't even hold a grudge against the club.
Literally returned to the club after retiring to act as an advisor to Perez.

We're far too soft on players and it sends out a message that even if you underperform you can stay and pick up your wages for as long as you want.
 
Unless United agree to pay the remainder of the salary the purchasing team won't cover he's not going anywhere even if you stick him in the U19s. He wants his money like any of us would.
 
Unless United agree to pay the remainder of the salary the purchasing team won't cover he's not going anywhere even if you stick him in the U19s. He wants his money like any of us would.
Yeah, thats not gonna happen. Cannot see a team coming to us, probably offering less than our valuation and then also telling us we need to pay a portion of his wages, if they do, tell them to feck off.
 
These articles and tweets are click baity. I just can't see Maguire sticking around by will. He will lose captaincy, be benched and at max a substitute to our 4th choice CB Luke Shaw.
 
I see he’s tweeted a pic of himself in the new shirt for next season.

Please just leave.
 
Yeah, thats not gonna happen. Cannot see a team coming to us, probably offering less than our valuation and then also telling us we need to pay a portion of his wages, if they do, tell them to feck off.
Then he stays. He won't take a pay cut and no midtable team would match those wages.
 
Am I missing something in regards to officially putting players on the transfer list ? It used to happen but you never hear of it these days, if Maguire isn’t wanted to then officially put him on the transfer list and move him on instead of waiting for someone to come in for him.
 
Am I missing something in regards to officially putting players on the transfer list ? It used to happen but you never hear of it these days, if Maguire isn’t wanted to then officially put him on the transfer list and move him on instead of waiting for someone to come in for him.
That is where DoF (well, in other clubs at least) steps up. You don't wait. You talk with player and agent to find a club, ypu call other clubs, leak something in press...
But we have Murtough so yeah, i guess we just wait for offers.

Btw, I don't think that "official transfer list" is a thing anymore. Except in FM:wenger:
 
I would imagine a social media company, with instructions from the club, run the majority of the players accounts. There is no way Maguire has just decided to post that.

I personally think he will go out on loan late in the window. No doubt he won't perform wherever he ends up and we will have the same, if not bigger problem trying to shift him next summer.
 
Did he seriously think posting that tweet of him with the new home shirt was a good idea?

he’s blatantly an imbecile with an over exaggerated sense of worth. He gets pelters from virtually the whole fan base and he’s now 5th choice CB behind Varane, Martinez, Lindelof and Shaw.

The very thought of him being on the bench next season fills me with dread.
 
he’s blatantly an imbecile with an over exaggerated sense of worth. He gets pelters from virtually the whole fan base and he’s now 5th choice CB behind Varane, Martinez, Lindelof and Shaw.

The very thought of him being on the bench next season fills me with dread.

I don’t think he will even make the sub bench next season unless there are a couple of key injuries
 
I don’t think he will even make the sub bench next season unless there are a couple of key injuries

I would agree. We may well add another CB during the window and if we don't I think we will see Alvaro retained as competition at LB which will allow us to utilize Shaw at LCB more often if needed with Lindelof as the only CB on the bench.
 
Then he stays. He won't take a pay cut and no midtable team would match those wages.

Is he happy to sit on the bench? He can't be deluded enough to think he'll play more than a handful of games.

Surely, it'll affect his England place if he's not playing and that will mean he'll take the move. Or will Southgate keep picking him regardless?
 
I would imagine a social media company, with instructions from the club, run the majority of the players accounts. There is no way Maguire has just decided to post that.

I personally think he will go out on loan late in the window. No doubt he won't perform wherever he ends up and we will have the same, if not bigger problem trying to shift him next summer.

He'll be grand as long as goes to a club playing a low block.
 
Is he happy to sit on the bench? He can't be deluded enough to think he'll play more than a handful of games.

Surely, it'll affect his England place if he's not playing and that will mean he'll take the move. Or will Southgate keep picking him regardless?
Sitting on the bench vs millions of dollars? I know which one I would choose.

For me, it's a no-brainer that the club is better off paying part of his salary and receiving a fee rather than having him rot on the bench.
 
Sitting on the bench vs millions of dollars? I know which one I would choose.

For me, it's a no-brainer that the club is better off paying part of his salary and receiving a fee rather than having him rot on the bench.

With respect, you're not a professional footballer who wants to keep his international place.
 
With respect, you're not a professional footballer who wants to keep his international place.
And he spent most of last season on the bench and kept his international place, nothing has changed
 
My first post was questioning how long that situation can continue. If he gets 10-15 league games next season Southgate surely can't continue to pick him?
He can and he will, there's no seriously viable alternative at the moment, Maguire has generally done a good job for England so until that changes he's going to play
 
My first post was questioning how long that situation can continue. If he gets 10-15 league games next season Southgate surely can't continue to pick him?

Sure he can. Gareth is a company man who hopes for the best but doesn't have the stomach to make hard decisions whether in-game tactics or man management to take England all the way.
 
Then he stays. He won't take a pay cut and no midtable team would match those wages.
For Ex. Maguire is 187g p/w. So you can see 130p/w obtainable not far away. Difference is 8.8m over length of contract at UTD. split the difference and give Maguire 5m up front. So say he is 25m is middle of road selling fee ( anything above 4.7m plus 5m pay off) gives us a balance sheet net gain of 15.3m circa.
 
I've still yet to see a credible story about another club with concrete interest in Maguire - its all journalists speculatively putting 2+2 together and getting West Ham, etc - and the rumors of United wanting 40m for him are a laugh.

If he stays its probably not due to him wanting to fight for his place and more likely because there aren't any offers for him high enough that it makes sense for United to sell from an FFP perspective. If you assume a buying club won't pay him for than 100k per week then Maguire probably needs something like a 10m payoff from United to rip up his current two year 200k per week deal and sign a new one elsewhere. Giving up on loyalty bonuses will also be a factor. But if it costs United 10m to Maguire to sell him plus two years of 13m fee amortization will accelerate, then you're looking at something like 36m ffp figure for this year plus whatever it costs to sign a replacement. That is compared to an estimated 23m that it will cost to keep him.

I don't really understand United's FFP situation but if things are at all tight then this deal just doesn't make sense unless United can get a stupidly high fee from another club, like 30m-40m. But nobody is going to pay that for a 30-year-old defender with a lot of baggage and high wages, not in a world where you can get a similarly aged Conor Coady for 5m, Dan Burn for 11m, not to mention top young defenders from the continent like Botman or Aguerd for 25-30m.

I don’t purport to be an FFP expert, but surely whatever we get for him will be beneficial to the balance sheet. Even if it is just 1m, then our projected outgoings will be reduced by 1m, which allows us to use that 1m elsewhere?
 
He can and he will, there's no seriously viable alternative at the moment, Maguire has generally done a good job for England so until that changes he's going to play

A lot of International managers would disagree. If you're not playing week in week out then you're not at peak fitness and not at your best and they'd be told to move so they were getting regular football.
 
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Sure he can. Gareth is a company man who hopes for the best but doesn't have the stomach to make hard decisions whether in-game tactics or man management to take England all the way.

Well that isn’t true.