Is there a better third CB in the PL?
Maguire | he stays!
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You could argue that one of Stones/Diaz/Ake/Akanji is the third CB at City and I would have all four of them over him
Luke Shaw.
He’s a 4th.
This is wholly unnecessary.
He would actually be quite valuable as a 3rd CB. A lot of clubs playing a back 3 would consider him.
Are there any formations which favour a 4th CB which doesn’t rely on pace? And a large forehead. He would be excellent in that role.
Don't worry he will eventually pass it sideways to the leftSo...
If we beat Newcastle, does he lift the cup
Who’s 3rd?
Victor.
I also think Maguire will be moved on in the summer and I even think it is the most important sale we have to make.
Firstly, you cannot have a club captain rarely playing. It could potentially confuse or upset the squad, as well as Maguire himself.
Secondly, I think he is a very bad fit for what ETH wants from his defenders - quick to recover turnovers in a high line, front-footed, good on the ball and a maybe more importantly a quick thinker with the ball. Maguire has none of those capabilities.
Lastly, I think he is our most sellable CB asset (probably around £40 m) - a good defender in the right setup, a leader and an experienced international. I am sure someone like West Ham, Villa or maybe Newcastle would love to have him as a player.
Josip Sutalo from Dinamo Zagreb looks and interesting prospect to replace him. 22 years old, Croatian international, strong and tall, a very good passer and he has decent pace. I think he would work well with Martinez, Varane or Shaw.
Firstly, you cannot have a club captain rarely playing. It could potentially confuse or upset the squad, as well as Maguire himself.
Secondly, I think he is a very bad fit for what ETH wants from his defenders - quick to recover turnovers in a high line, front-footed, good on the ball and a maybe more importantly a quick thinker with the ball. Maguire has none of those capabilities.
Lastly, I think he is our most sellable CB asset (probably around £40 m) - a good defender in the right setup, a leader and an experienced international. I am sure someone like West Ham, Villa or maybe Newcastle would love to have him as a player.
Josip Sutalo from Dinamo Zagreb looks and interesting prospect to replace him. 22 years old, Croatian international, strong and tall, a very good passer and he has decent pace. I think he would work well with Martinez, Varane or Shaw.
If he's third then why didn't he start over Maguire against Charlton in quarter final and why did Shaw start over him in the derby?
Charlton are a League One aide at home in the Cup, whoever plays is not any reflection of hierarchy.
Shaw is seen as left-sided option and not in competition.
So why can't Lindelof play in quarter final against league one side then? Maguire and Martinez started. It's not like Lindelof was rested because the one who played the previous one and the following match was Varane and Shaw.
Because Lindelof has played a lot more minutes than Maguire this season so sometimes you have to spread it out
He isn’t
Is there another 3rd choice CB that cost a world record fee for a CB?
Absolutely farcical signing.
Ws it last game he was getting it while we were defending an attack from Forest?
Playing more minute because Maguire had injuries. All of sudden when he's fit, ETH picked him over Lindelof. I don't think it's justify to call either 3rd choice anyway when Shaw is being picked ahead of both now.
Maguire is a good / very good CB for most PL teams. Just not a top team that wants to play high up the field, press and dominate games.
West Ham would be a great move for him IMO (and them). Maguire + 50Million for Rice would be a great deal for all involved and hopefully is being explored.
West Ham would be a great move for him IMO (and them). Maguire + 50Million for Rice would be a great deal for all involved and hopefully is being explored.
for all his flaws he’s pretty good on the ball
Oh, seen.
Lindelof was picked ahead of Maguire on more than 1 occasion while Maguire was on the bench. He's definitely not 3rd choice. Playing lower league opposition was an occasion where we would obviously dominate the ball and they wouldn't have much counter threat, so it made sense to get Maguire who is better on the ball. But otherwise it was Lindelof against normal opponents.
Think we need a solid option as CB. Varane can't be trusted injury wise and we will.end up playing Lindelof or this guy very often. Hope we sign a suitable replacement in the summer.
If you read what I said neither Lindelof and Maguire is 3rd choice, so I don’t know why are you arguing with me that he’s definitely not 3rd choice. And those are the match when Maguire only just recovered from a full month injury.
I'd rather sell him straight up and not get Rice for an extra 50m. I don't see how he fits this current system other than being Casemiro's back up. Maguire + 50m is a lot for a back up and seeing how Casemiro plays every game ETH can possibly play him I doubt he'll be happy about that either. That 80m-ish figure could be spent in so many better ways. We need someone next to Casemiro that can dribble, someone that doesn't mind carrying the ball forward if needed. I don't see that in Rice.
Of course, but the check has been deposited and here we are today.
The question remains...is there a better third choice CB not only in the PL but in any league today? The answer might be yes, and if it is I'd like to know who.
Club teams only. The Argie NT insanely had Otamendi starting over Martinez (I'm not a huge fan of Romero, but he is competent) but technically Martinez was the third choice CB for the Argies and he's clearly superior to Maguire.
If either Varane or Martinez go out with injury, it's Maguire who slots right in. But on a game to game basis and either Varane or Martinez need a rest, ETH can go with either Lindelof or Maguire depending on the opponent and the tactical requirements of dealing with that opponent or a late substitution to protect a lead.
Just saw this. Reasonable answers. Thanks!
He's not the best '3rd CB' because he doesn't fit the way we play at all and it's very noticeable when he does play. He might well be, in terms of 'profile', the biggest name '3rd CB' in the league but as a squad player he's not really that useful to us. You can't be considered a great squad CB if your manager doesn't trust you enough to play you. He doesn't really 'slot right in', which is evidenced by Luke Shaw being preferred when Martinez is out.
Yeah, but it's an utterly embarrassing situation on our part. We made him the most expensive CB of all time - he was never remotely good enough to begin with - and now he's on the bench as 3rd choice. I can't fecking wait to see the back of him.
He's clearly off in the summer.
Unless there are injuries I think we see him start at most 5 games between now and the end of the season and then he's going.
We're going to take a massive loss on the transfer, £40m or £50m loss but there's nothing we can do about that now. Best for everyone if he leaves. At the very least it seems like he's being professional about being dropped and on the way out. He's not leaking stuff about how unhappy he is or arranging interviews with Piers Morgan to slag off the manager.
Unless there are injuries I think we see him start at most 5 games between now and the end of the season and then he's going.
We're going to take a massive loss on the transfer, £40m or £50m loss but there's nothing we can do about that now. Best for everyone if he leaves. At the very least it seems like he's being professional about being dropped and on the way out. He's not leaking stuff about how unhappy he is or arranging interviews with Piers Morgan to slag off the manager.
I really don't see this happening only because we have too many positions to replace and upgrade that I don't think that we'll have the time or money to replace him.
Make it 20m and throw in McTominay. They get a very good CB (for West Ham’s level and style of football) and a direct Rice replacement, plus 20m.
if only.
Rice isn’t actually all that bad at ball carrying. His limitation is more with his progressive passing and press resistance (although I hate that term).
Don’t think he’s the ideal partner for Case, but we could do a lot worse.
Agreed hes off just too slow for ETH. We'd be looking for a backup CB so i dont think it would be that difficult to find a replacement. Maybe someone like timber who can play RB and CB.
Casemiro isn’t going anywhere as our first choice CDM for the next few years. We don’t need Rice and he won’t come in as a bench option. We need a younger prospect willing to learn from Casemiro. Caicedo fits that profile better.
Caicedo is going to cost upward of £70mil and like Rice he isnt going to sit on the bench either. Whats needed is a younger upgrade on eriksen with eriksens vision and technical ability alongside casemiro.
A central midfielder, goalkeeper and striker are pressing priorities, but we're capable of signing more than three players in the summer. We managed 6 last summer if you count Dubravka.
Any replacement can be funded from the sale of Maguire, I'm sure there's a half decent, younger option in France somewhere. It's not that much of a challenge to get him out and a replacement sourced, we're capable of spinning more than one plate at a time - regardless of what the Caf tells you.
I disagree. Caicedo is looking to take a step forward in his career…Man Utd squad from Brighton is a big step. Having captained his club and played at the World Cup and euros etc. Rices next step is to slot right into the starting 11 at a top club. While neither are ideal understudies for Casemiro, I would spent out €80 million on CCaicedo first.
I don’t agree that Eriksen is who we need cover for at all…mixtures of Eriksen/Sabitzer(possibly)/Fred/Mejbri for one number “8” position is pleanty. Plus Bruno could slot back in there if necessary…with ETH looking to use Sancho as a ten and with possibly Amad coming back.
We have no cover for Casemiro that doesn’t significantly change how we play. Unless Lindelof shows something in that role …as ETH has alluded to. But really we should be looking for a young and eager number 6 to learn from the best