Stekelenburg is as much of a risk as De Gea is, if one of them is £15m cheaper the money WILL be a factor.
Maarten Stekelenburg
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Stekelenburg is as much of a risk as De Gea is, if one of them is £15m cheaper the money WILL be a factor.
Fergie has stated many times that getting the best possible keeper is vital after the post- Schmikes farce. I think the money he deems is necessary will be the budget, we've been very frugal the last 2 seasons but Fergie has said he will buy marquee players when VDS, Scholes and Giggs go. Personally I have a concern over our midfield yet we are in the CL final and on the verge of winning the Prem with said midfield, so I don't see Fergie sacrificing his first choice keeper for any other area.
Ahhh Good points Sarni
Agreed, money won't be an issue this time.
Me neither, Neuer probably looks like the safest option but he won't come here. De Gea would cost £20m and could well become a flop, I'm not at all convinced by him. There are simply not many top class keeper available, the likes of Casillas are hard to get.
I don't think we would necessarily save the money if it was a choice between Neuer and Stekelenburg, but when Atletico wants circa £20m for a player with slightly more than a season of professional football under his belt opting for a £6m international who performed well at the World Cup might not be such a bad idea at all, even if his potential might not be equal to that of De Gea's. Goalkeepers are ALWAYS a risk, if we pay £20m for De Gea and he crumbles under the pressure in his first few weeks here it might be £20m down the drain. And between buying Stekelenburg for £6m and buying a midfielder for £15m to £20m, and buying De Gea for £20m and no one else I know exactly which I'd prefer.
Sarni with his "we have no money" shit again. Ugh.
Read my posts! I said we might spend big on a keeper if there's a safe option available, however the only one I can think of is Neuer and he doesn't want to come here. De Gea is nowhere near safe, neither is someone like Lloris or Adler and they would all cost a fortune, so why not go for a cheaper option who has as much of a chance of making it as them?
But yes, I don't think we'll spend heavy in the Summer.
But yes, I don't think we'll spend heavy in the Summer.
Maybe we'll buy de gea for £20m and a similarly priced midfielder. How about that for an option.
And I don't want Stekelenburg, as I said before I think we might well end up looking for a new goalkeeper if we sign him, but it's the case with all of the goalkeepers I've mentioned. I simply do not see a safe option in this market, goalkeepers seem to be getting worse somehow.
I don't disagree with this point, my view is that Fergie wont settle for a lesser choice to save some cash, the scenario you are presenting is two equal level choices, in which Fergie opts for the cheaper more experienced keeper.
Aye. £160m doesn't go far these days.
You don't think we'll spend much this summer because we are skint which, as it happens, we aren't.
There are various reasons why I think we won't spend heavily, but yes, I don't think we have that much money to spend and money in the bank doesn't equal transfer budget, it's not Football Manager.
True and I wouldn't trust Gill much, however Sir Alex says he can have whatever money he deems fit as he always has in the past, and I am willing to trust him until I see concrete proof he's lying.
Just because we didn't spend heavily lately, it doesn't mean we don't have the money to spend it should SAF need it.
We can sign one big money player, perhaps two if he wants it badly, but there will be nothing close to a spending that is being predicted by some sources (i.e. £80m, £100m etc.).
As I said, it won't necessarily be a goalkeeper because I don't think there's a goalkeeper worth that money in the market. If someone like Casillas was available, we'd bid £20m, even £25m for him but De Gea?
Regardless how rich or how poor we might seem, spending £20m on a goalkeeper will always be something to think about hard though.
Anyone who thinks we need more than one or two big money players needs to look at this season. I think we all feel a top class midfield addition is needed but beyond that I don't see why we'd need to spend huge regardless of what funds Fergie has at his disposal.
I agree with you on De Gea, once Neuer became off limits I didn't really have a keeper preference. I think De Gea has potential to be great but the pressure could crush him at such a young age.
Best value for money around, over the long-term will be Craig Gordon ... probably get him for 6-9million, or if Ferguson waits he'll be free next again season 12/13.
He has the temperament, makes very few mistakes and is one of the best shot-stoppers around ... certainly looks better in this respect than any of those talked about here.
He has the temperament, makes very few mistakes and is one of the best shot-stoppers around ... certainly looks better in this respect than any of those talked about here.
No.
He seems a good keeper when he's fit but he's too injury prone and he's not commanding enough.
Sarni, you have no idea how much money SAF has to spend. Give it a fecking rest.
Stekelenburg is a good Gk and the less expansive
The others are: Lloris, Adler, De Gea but you have to pay at least 20 million. There is also Akinfeev, but I don't rate him, Rui Patricio and Mandanda.
If you want cheapest players than Stekelenburg, you can, but with big risks:
- Isaksson (PSV): free agent (June 2011), a decent GK
- Weidenfeller (B.Dortmund): free agent (June 2012), 30 yo, he has some skills, Aston Villa, Fulham and Bolton are looking for him too.
- Courtois (Genk): 18 yo, a U18 material imho
- Handanovic (Udinese): Talented but with shite distribution
- Landreau (Lille): Decent
- McGregor (Rangers Glasgow): Decent probably
- Given (Manchester City):
- Romero (AZ Alkmaar):
- Ochoa (America Mexico): A midget friend of el Chicarito, but with great reflexes
- Diego Lopez (Villarreal): Good
- Diego Alves (Almeria): Decent, he is Braz. but he has the italian passport
- Gordon (Sunderland): Decent, but mega injury prone.
The others are: Lloris, Adler, De Gea but you have to pay at least 20 million. There is also Akinfeev, but I don't rate him, Rui Patricio and Mandanda.
If you want cheapest players than Stekelenburg, you can, but with big risks:
- Isaksson (PSV): free agent (June 2011), a decent GK
- Weidenfeller (B.Dortmund): free agent (June 2012), 30 yo, he has some skills, Aston Villa, Fulham and Bolton are looking for him too.
- Courtois (Genk): 18 yo, a U18 material imho
- Handanovic (Udinese): Talented but with shite distribution
- Landreau (Lille): Decent
- McGregor (Rangers Glasgow): Decent probably
- Given (Manchester City):
- Romero (AZ Alkmaar):
- Ochoa (America Mexico): A midget friend of el Chicarito, but with great reflexes
- Diego Lopez (Villarreal): Good
- Diego Alves (Almeria): Decent, he is Braz. but he has the italian passport
- Gordon (Sunderland): Decent, but mega injury prone.
Unless the club of the main target is playing games.
This would make them think again. Pretty sure Fergie has done that before.
stekelenburg never really impressed me - he looks a bit clumsy. However our goalkeeping coaches may see other qualities in him like concentration for example, assuming there is some truth in that report.
Anders Lindegaard like this.
What about Julio Cesar pf Inter?
He is pretty under-rated.
He is pretty under-rated.
He`s out for 6 months AGAIN and is only number two at Sunderland.
He is injury prone but he is no way second in line at Sunderland. Do you mean to say Mignolet is better than Gordon?
I don't mind any keeper we are linked to other than Steklenburg and Patricio.
Bruce thinks so, Gordon was many times on the bench and Mignolet was in the goal.
I think Gordon is better than Mignolet.
Gordon's been on the bench because they were nursing his knee injury.
There are rumours on Twitter that Eric Steele revealed (talking to Genk goalkeeper's agent) that Maarten Stekelenburg is on his way to Old Trafford this summer.
Terrible season, expensive as wage too
Last year he had a car crash, and seem still shocked
Inter are looking for to sign a new GK, Viviano (Bologna) who is average.
Gordon when fit has been number 1 this season, as said here they were trying to manage his knee injury so were keeping him on the bench, something they were unable to do.
I hope this isn't true. Stekelenburg is distinctly average.
What is important to Manchester United and other topclubs is not to have the best goalkeeper in the world - it is not really required.
The important thing is to have a keeper who is solid in the air, makes few mistakes and is good with the ball at his feet.
It doesn't matter if he drops 2-3 goals that a world-class goalkeeper on the line could have saved.
In a club like United - you just need a solid goalkeeper you can depend on - most matches you are not required to make many saves. You are just required to do what is expected of you - and NOT to make mistake
The important thing is to have a keeper who is solid in the air, makes few mistakes and is good with the ball at his feet.
It doesn't matter if he drops 2-3 goals that a world-class goalkeeper on the line could have saved.
In a club like United - you just need a solid goalkeeper you can depend on - most matches you are not required to make many saves. You are just required to do what is expected of you - and NOT to make mistake
Diego Lopez is a decent suggestion actually. He is a very solid keeper. How old is he?
He is 29 and 6'5" but I don't think he is good enough to play for United.
So in brief, a world class goalkeeper?. The solid and the unspectacular are the ones who are lauded. There are some who are flamboyant in their shot stopping, Kuzczack comes to mind, yet is prone to fla a bit or prone to commit mistakes. I believe the level above Kuzczack would a World class goalkeeper. Make no mistake, PIG would be a match winner for any team below the top 4-5. He is a very reliable goalie. Yet we aspire for a better one.
In short, without rambling on much. I quite politely disagree with your assessment in saying we don't need a world class goalkeeper, you've just described a world class goalkeeper's abilities there. Further there needs to be one area where he's good, Command of Area. With Foster in Goal we saw our defense not being as organised. VDS is a world class goalie and we need a similar type of goalkeeper to replace our departing man.