This makes no sense, we have a completely different squad from the one that finished 7th, besides, previous league positions have no bearing on CL aspirations.
LvG would consider a contract extention, but will retire at United
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This makes no sense, we have a completely different squad from the one that finished 7th, besides, previous league positions have no bearing on CL aspirations.
Not talking about their contributions last year but in general.
RVP led the line and won us a title, yes Rooney could do this also, but if he is out of form, injured or suspended - I can't see who else could take that on... Henandez and Wilson? Not for me.
Di Maria was bought as a ready made world class winger that we obvioulsly lacked, yes his output didn't come up to scratch. But again I struggle to see who in the squad could be that player that we wanted Di Maria to be, the type of player LvG obviously wants.
Yes we have a very good squad, but I'm talking about players to fill those boots, players that come the big games the opposition look at the team sheet with fear.
My point is they didn't contribute world class contributions last year, which won't make them difficult to replace. I'm happy with Mata and Herrera and a hopefully revitalized Rooney, until such time as suitable transfers become available, as in the best winger and striker in the world.
Well 7th meant no CL. So one season for (as you state) a brand new squad to get used to playing in it again. Then one to win it. Makes perfect sense to me.
Not to mention the 6 or 7 elite teams that have settled squads and no CL break....
He spent six seasons at Ajax and only left to become coach of Barcelona. Same thing at AZ, where he took them to unprecedented success and then moved to a bigger job at Bayern. You can't say a coach doesn't last long because he moves to a bigger club. You might as well tar Mourinho and Guardiola with the same brush then, they haven't spent more than 6 seasons at any club either.
Not sure i get what you're crying about, mentioning our 7th place finish is irrelevant as we have a better squad right now... as for the CL, there are only about 5 elite teams in the competition and a lot of dark horses (United being one of them) and as Juventus,Atletico,Dortmund and Chelsea have proved in the last 4 seasons - dark horses are very much in the conversation, so it's really not far fetched to suggest we are capable of winning it in his 3rd season.
If we have a strong enough squad to win the PL then what is stopping us from winning the CL?
Crying about? Come on mate lets act like adults. My point is that your expectations are unrealistically high and i think you're setting yourself up for disappointment. I think if we're genuinely challenging for the title next season we'll have done really well from where we were two years ago.
I think you might have under estimated how far we were away even last season....
My expectations aren't unrealistically high, i merely stated that for LVG to get a contract extension, he has to either win the PL or the CL, which is fair considering the amount of money he has already spent/and is on course to spend in the future, a team good enough to win the PL should also be good enough to try and win the CL, i mean Chelsea won it as the 6th best team in the country.
Let me be clear, i haven't held a gun to his head demanding a CL trophy, but if he wants a contract extension, he has to deliver a major trophy (or at least contend for one in April/May).
Any team that is as defensively solid as we are has a chance in a knockout tournament. It's been proven many times over the past decade or so.
Think with the way it's been in the last two seasons we are best off to wait and see.
It's good to see that LVG still has the passion for the club. And if we continue to see these improvements then he's clearly doing a good job for the team.
The football isn't pretty but if he's putting in place the foundations of a solid defence first then any manager that follows will have a much easier job to take us onwards.
Offense wins games, defense wins championships... We just need to strike the right balance between the two.
It's good to see that LVG still has the passion for the club. And if we continue to see these improvements then he's clearly doing a good job for the team.
The football isn't pretty but if he's putting in place the foundations of a solid defence first then any manager that follows will have a much easier job to take us onwards.
Offense wins games, defense wins championships... We just need to strike the right balance between the two.
LVG will extend if he sees this squad having a chance to win the CL or when he is sure he can win the title if he didnt achieve it yet.
I dont particularly want him to extend if im honest. would rather let him set the foundations then allow a Klopp/gaurdiola come in and unleash it.
He won't get an extension if he doesn't win the league (or UCL) in this or in the following season.
It would probably be a pragmatic decision, but very ruthless. If LVG does well this season (title challenge or UCL semis) then it won't be right to sack him, even if there are better alternatives right there. He is doing some great stuff for the club, and would be only fair to see him finish the 'project'.
If we finish fourth like last year, then obviosuly get Klopp or Pep.
He will have to back his processes and philosophies with some real trophies first
That's a fair point, and removing him would seem a bit machiavellian by design, but I quite like the way Bayern transitioned from Heyneckes to Guardiola even after the former won the treble, and on matters of principle deserved another go. Granted Juup was a bit older than Van Gaal is right now, and maybe he was unmotivated (if Der Spiegel is to be believed), and we can't say conclusively if it was the best short term decision given their inability to win Champions League (a harsh criticism of Pep perhaps). But theoretically, it made a lot of sense to bring in one of the, if not the best manager in Europe to ensure future sustainability even though Heyneckes did wonders with the squad. I just worry that Louis might not be able to stick around beyond his 3 years, or might not have the desired level of success in his third, and we'll be left with no suitable alternatives by virtue of passing on three really good candidates just a year before. Obviously there's a fair bit of speculation there, but I'd just want United to do the due diligence and cover all the bases if good alternatives (even upgrades) become available.
It's the owners and the board who hire LvG and from their perspective his results so far are excellent.
1. We are back in CL.
2. We have almost totally rebuild our squad since Moyes left.
3. So far our net spend this window is almost £0.
4. We have lowered our wage bill and at the same time replaced our under performers.
I'm quite sure the owners are very satisfied with this outcome. At this moment LvG is in a very strong position and if he wants to stay another year or two the chances are more then good that the owners and Woody will approve this.
1. We are back in CL.
2. We have almost totally rebuild our squad since Moyes left.
3. So far our net spend this window is almost £0.
4. We have lowered our wage bill and at the same time replaced our under performers.
I'm quite sure the owners are very satisfied with this outcome. At this moment LvG is in a very strong position and if he wants to stay another year or two the chances are more then good that the owners and Woody will approve this.
Well Juup finished his contract, he wasn't sacked. Not extending LVG's contract would be fine, even if he wins the treble in last season. But sacking him if he is doing well, just cause Pep might be available it isn't fine IMO. It would be the first time I would use that it isn't 'the United way'.
I think that managers are almost always available. Someone good will inevitably be free the following season. Maybe Pep and Klopp will be busy, but Mourinho would be free, or Enrique will resign after winning an another treble, or Simeone will be tired competing with a fraction of budget that Barca/Real have.
The only way I would fancy us making the change to Pep/Klopp (and I rate Pep as a top 10 - top 15 all time manager, while Klopp is my favorite (unretired) manager) is if there aren't signs of improvement from last season.
That makes a lot of sense and I do get your argument favoring the idea of honoring our agreement with Van Gaal, but I'm a bit more cynical and just differ with that on a fundamental level. Ever since Fergie retired I somehow don't value loyalty towards managers that highly. IMO he was one of the last remaining managers from another more subtler era, and Wenger still remains. I'd like us to have a more trimmed down managerial model where he's very a part of the machine as a head coach than an all-encompassing presence - much like at Barcelona, unless that is, he's young enough to build around for the medium to long haul and evidences appropriate quality (like early 1990s Fergie that we stumbled upon, which Van Gaal isn't).
That kind of ensures minimal turnover and more 'continuity'- in terms of the squad, than turning the entire team around every time there's a managerial change - hemorrhaging a significant amount of personnel or money in the process (that could instead go towards improving the training facilities, subsiding tickets, recording the debt - though still within tax benefit levels, expanding Old Trafford - though some might argue it'll ultimately find its way to the owners' pockets). I don't believe letting him go with be an egregious offense when he initially came to the club with the understanding that it'll be a short time appointment, and will have just one season remaining on the contract. Van Gaal is professional enough to understand that sometimes tough business decisions have to be made, pretty sure he'll understand the circumstances and the club's reasons for it.
Also get the argument that managers are always available, but we should also factor in what other clubs might be in for them. Looking at next season, we'd be the likely front-runners for Pep (who won't join Bayern or Madrid), Klopp (bit unsure if Madrid sack Benitez, or if Wenger calls a day), and Ancelotti (depends on Pellegrini's performances this season). One never knows what the environment would be like further down the road, when Simeone or Jose hypothetically become available. Much rather lock one up one year too early rather than one year too late. Though again, it is a bit speculative.
Klopp is going to take a 2 year hiatus, and then take over for LvG.
You heard it here first.
You heard it here first.
I really hope to God he doesn't stay longer than his current contract permits him to. I don't think I'd be able to handle watching this tumescent football week in, week out for more than another two years.
No thanks. Don't even want him here during his current contract.
On that basis then, LVG should be gone tonight.
he'll be the man who got us back on track after the Moyes disaster, but that'll be the extent of his legacy.
Definitely need to keep the feelers out for our next manager in 2017
Definitely need to keep the feelers out for our next manager in 2017
Is this Manchester United or Arsenal?
He should get this season IMO, unless we are in a very bad position around Christmas.
if this season follows last, then he'll lucky to still be here.
Thats right because after 4 games its blindingly obvious we haven't improved.
Sadly, I don't think the owners are football savvy enough to know what is happening on the pitch. They are businessmen, and rightly so, with the primary concern keeping the investment growing. LVG narrowly got us back into the CL which is a big money maker. BPL viewership continues to explode along with tv rights and that income stream. I fear that as long as he keeps us in the top 4 there will be no motions to replace him.
Klopp, Ancelotti and Pep could be available in the summer.
He'd be lucky to see out his current contract if he carries on like this.
He'd be lucky to see out his current contract if he carries on like this.
Get a grip.
This place is laughable. We've been narrowly done away to a good Swansea side and this thread has been turned into an LVG out rally.
Spineless. One of you grow some bollocks, man up, and start an actual LVG out thread.
No I want him to take over tomorrow and bring in 2-3 new players before Tuesday.
Honestly Klopp will have better options
It's not 4 games. It's a season and 4 games, as well you know.
Get Ancelotti in.
He doesn't deserve an extension.
For the money spent there's been an inexcusable lack of progress. The guy is far too stubborn and far too arrogant, you need someone who will adjust, not someone who decides on a set system and sticks by it regardless.
For the money spent there's been an inexcusable lack of progress. The guy is far too stubborn and far too arrogant, you need someone who will adjust, not someone who decides on a set system and sticks by it regardless.
He should earn it, no extension otherwise
Just requoting what you quoted to avoid you embarassing yourself further.
4 games in is not enough to state we haven't improved.
One ageing manager for another. When will this end.