LvG would consider a contract extention, but will retire at United

Roman Bellic said:
Given the T&C's of LVG's appointment,yes.

But i wouldn't put it past Fergie to win the league with this current crop.
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You know what though I just think SAF was able psychologically to win with any team! He was a freak (in a good way) I don't think anyone will be able to replicate his success in this league again!
 
Stretford Red1978 said:
You know what though I just think SAF was able psychologically to win with any team! He was a freak (in a good way) I don't think anyone will be able to replicate his success in this league again!
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Yeah, but he wouldn't necessarily need to do that to be honest, we currently have one of the best teams in Europe, so there's really no excuse for not winning anything or at least coming close(contending in May) - hence my conditions for Gaal.
 
Umm, this might be considered a negative opinion, and I do like Van Gaal, but instead of extending the contract I'd probably want the club to explore the option of letting him go after this season. The opportunity to pick one of Guardiola (provided he doesn't extend at Bayern), Ancelotti and Klopp (2014/ 2015 season now-withstanding) doesn't come around too often, managers of that caliber don't usually become available all at once. And we really need to take advantage of the strength in numbers with one eye on the future, or there's a risk of ending up with none of them once Van Gaal's contract is up, and having a repeat of the Moyes debacle, which seems even more ill-advised in hindsight. Might prove to be a ruthless decision on face value, but the club should always maintain a pragmatic outlook when it comes to major decisions.
 
Even if we don't win the league under his leadership, I hope he decides to stay after the initial three years. I appreciate that he is a manager who generally provides results and his personality, approach to man management, tactics, media e.g. appeals to me.
 
Roman Bellic said:
Yeah, but he wouldn't necessarily need to do that to be honest, we currently have one of the best teams in Europe, so there's really no excuse for not winning anything or at least coming close(contending in May) - hence my conditions for Gaal.
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We may have one of the best teams in Europe that are only just starting to play together, they need to gel properly first, get used to each other on the field. This is not always something a manager can force. I agree with what you are saying about challenging and we most certainly will but I wont be disappointed if we don't win the PL! Just give a good account of ourselves and start building that fear again, when teams face us they won't get any easy time. I think that's a major point to our future success!
 
He has to earn the contract, and no, 4th place isnt earning a new contract, He has never been a long term manager , and there have been reasons for that..My preference would be him leaving at the end of his current contract.
 
Stretford Red1978 said:
We may have one of the best teams in Europe that are only just starting to play together, they need to gel properly first, get used to each other on the field. This is not always something a manager can force. I agree with what you are saying about challenging and we most certainly will but I wont be disappointed if we don't win the PL! Just give a good account of ourselves and start building that fear again, when teams face us they won't get any easy time. I think that's a major point to our future success!
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The thing that is obvious for teams that go through the massive changes that we are having is that someone else tends to come in and push on..For Chelsea, Ranieri was the first and did very well(Best league position in 49 years)..then Hughes with City..then someone comes in with new ideas..LVG must be that man for us, but someone else needs to come in and push us on.
 
Invictus said:
Umm, this might be considered a negative opinion, and I do like Van Gaal, but instead of extending the contract I'd probably want the club to explore the option of letting him go after this season. The opportunity to pick one of Guardiola (provided he doesn't extend at Bayern), Ancelotti and Klopp (2014/ 2015 season now-withstanding) doesn't come around too often, managers of that caliber don't usually become available all at once. And we really need to take advantage of the strength in numbers with one eye on the future, or there's a risk of ending up with none of them once Van Gaal's contract is up, and having a repeat of the Moyes debacle, which seems even more ill-advised in hindsight. Might prove to be a ruthless decision on face value, but the club should always maintain a pragmatic outlook when it comes to major decisions.
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I agree with this. van Gaal has done a good job overseeing the exodus of players no longer able to facilitate our ambitions, and bringing in/revitalising the careers of younger players eager and potentially good enough to play for us. Doing that while getting the club back into the Champions League marks the completion of his time here.
 
Invictus said:
Umm, this might be considered a negative opinion, and I do like Van Gaal, but instead of extending the contract I'd probably want the club to explore the option of letting him go after this season. The opportunity to pick one of Guardiola (provided he doesn't extend at Bayern), Ancelotti and Klopp (2014/ 2015 season now-withstanding) doesn't come around too often, managers of that caliber don't usually become available all at once. And we really need to take advantage of the strength in numbers with one eye on the future, or there's a risk of ending up with none of them once Van Gaal's contract is up, and having a repeat of the Moyes debacle, which seems even more ill-advised in hindsight. Might prove to be a ruthless decision on face value, but the club should always maintain a pragmatic outlook when it comes to major decisions.
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I think , from what I heard that talks with Alex Ferguson started long before Big Ron was fired..United and Sir Bobby had been in contact before that..thats the kind of foward thinking that we need now..
 
K2K said:
I think , from what I heard that talks with Alex Ferguson started long before Big Ron was fired..United and Sir Bobby had been in contact before that..thats the kind of foward thinking that we need now..
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Woodward could start that off by giving Pep Guardiola a call.
 
K2K said:
The thing that is obvious for teams that go through the massive changes that we are having is that someone else tends to come in and push on..For Chelsea, Ranieri was the first and did very well(Best league position in 49 years)..then Hughes with City..then someone comes in with new ideas..LVG must be that man for us, but someone else needs to come in and push us on.
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I think I understand what you are saying but I do think that he will win before he goes anywhere (retires) rather than being the man to lay the groundwork for someone else to gain success.
 
Mitchell Nicholas said:
Woodward could start that off by giving Pep Guardiola a call.
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Not necessarily Pep, but he would be among the younger managers that would be in the shortlist..City's 10 year plans like that may come across as corny, but really we need to have such kind of plans too, and tangible steps to get there..For example I feel we have too few European cups, we should set out long term plans to change that..
 
Stretford Red1978 said:
I think I understand what you are saying but I do think that he will win before he goes anywhere (retires) rather than being the man to lay the groundwork for someone else to gain success.
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I think it depends heavily on Mourinho, yes his Chelsea side havent started that well, but he knows how to grind out trophies..I have yet to see lvg outmaster Jose..even the 2010 UCL was a classic Mourinho masterstoke in that he allowed Bayern to play, but then hit them hard to win...And City are ahead of us and just seem hell bent on spending even more..Annoyingly, they have a great core too. I dont thing LVG has adapted to English football as well as Mourinho and Wenger did for example when they got here.

I'm hopeful that we can win, but I just dont see it...Maybe a few cup wins..but Id love to be wrong
 
Nope, if Klopp, Ancelotti and Guardiola are around why not try them.
 
I'd rather have him than any of the other mooted managers except Guardiola, provided he does win us the league in the next 2 seasons, which I believe he will. People are just getting carried away with the currently fashionable names.

As for LVG not being a long-term manager, that is down purely to him falling out with the boards at Bayern and Barca. There have been no signs of that at United despite all the soothsaying.
 
He'll only be offered an extension if he's successful, which would be the logical thing to do.
 
SammyUnited_83 said:
No way he gets sacked this year if we finish 4th, probably debatable if he should be - but considering our net spend this year and seeing how Chelsea and City (in particular) have strengthened it's a little fanciful to think we can catch them.

A deadline day splurge, could change that feeling though...
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So if we had spent 50 million on depay and 30 on darmian for a really high net spend, that would make us favourites?
 
As long as we continue to make progress, he can continue in the job, eventually we will win things again.

Another huge upheaval in coaching staff, personnel and tactics is not beneficial for the club, because when he leaves it will be another major challenge to replace him.
 
NJM78 said:
I will be happy for him to see out his contract, no further though. I think he may get the chop though at end of this season. Not a van Gaal hater or knee jerker but I don't see us doing any better than 4th again and depending on the expectations given to him this year, I don't think that will be enough for a second season running. Then again maybe it will be, but beyond his current contract no thanks unless he wins the league or CL then he will merit it.
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Spot on.
 
Shez said:
So if we had spent 50 million on depay and 30 on darmian for a really high net spend, that would make us favourites?
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No.

Point being we needed to add, and we did. But we then we also sold 2 players in RvP and Di Maria that needed to be replaced and this far, they haven't. If DDG goes then we will need another one.

I find it hard to believe that people think we will seriously compete for the title with our current squad (so light up front), hence I think it would be harsh if he was sacked for finishing 4th. We are close though, very close but unless we buy in the next 3 days we won't be good enough.

So saying that I would be shocked if we don't bring in 2 more, maybe a keeper as well for when DDG inevitably goes.
 
K2K said:
I think it depends heavily on Mourinho, yes his Chelsea side havent started that well, but he knows how to grind out trophies..I have yet to see lvg outmaster Jose..even the 2010 UCL was a classic Mourinho masterstoke in that he allowed Bayern to play, but then hit them hard to win...And City are ahead of us and just seem hell bent on spending even more..Annoyingly, they have a great core too. I dont thing LVG has adapted to English football as well as Mourinho and Wenger did for example when they got here.

I'm hopeful that we can win, but I just dont see it...Maybe a few cup wins..but Id love to be wrong
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We shall see! Sounding a little LVG there! He's the best person for us at this moment he's building a damn good squad and if the belief is there then anything is possible.
 
Gopher Brown said:
As long as we continue to make progress, he can continue in the job, eventually we will win things again.

Another huge upheaval in coaching staff, personnel and tactics is not beneficial for the club, because when he leaves it will be another major challenge to replace him.
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Agreed. I want him to stay around long enough to overhaul and modernize our youth setup. Is there any manager in the world you would rather have in charge of that?
 
Shez said:
So if we had spent 50 million on depay and 30 on darmian for a really high net spend, that would make us favourites?
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Stop being a smart ass. We need to add more quality in our attack to compete with what Chelsea and City have in that department. It will be a much transformed team if we add someone similar to Memphis on that right side.
 
beergod said:
Agreed. I want him to stay around long enough to overhaul and modernize our youth setup. Is there any manager in the world you would rather have in charge of that?
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3 years is enough. Check his history, there is a reason he doesn't stay at a clubs for long periods.
 
3rdCarter said:
3 years is enough. Check his history, there is a reason he doesn't stay at a clubs for long periods.
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We don't have the same level of backroom politics that Barca or Bayern do that affect the manager.
 
It's dependent obviously on him winning something but so long as we continue to see progress I think giving him an extension would be wise. He has brought in players to suit his style and the transistion could be rendered pointless if we give it to another manager who wants to change things again.

The most important reason for me is stability, we need it after the last few years. If we get rid we are on our 4th manager in 5 years which is exactly what we needed to avoid after Fergie.

Besides that the work LVG is doing is going to have a lot more chance of having a lasting effect if players get 5 years of it than 3 years which in football is nothing. I for one don't want to see us searching for a new identity again in 18 months time.
 
Makes no sense to give LvG a new contract. It's his last job, United could wait untill the last day of his current contract.
 
3rdCarter said:
Ajax and az then ?

The pattern exists for a reason.
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Six years at Ajax before going to Barcelona. Four years at AZ before going to Bayern Munich. The reason he didn't stay at Ajax and AZ longer was because he got better offers. You're hardly going to say no to a move to Barcelona or Bayern.
 
As it stands I'd give him a rollling contract. I like him, despite not agreeing with all of his decisions. I have faith in him, and I love the way he makes journos look like the dumbed down cnuts they are.
 
SammyUnited_83 said:
No.

Point being we needed to add, and we did. But we then we also sold 2 players in RvP and Di Maria that needed to be replaced and this far, they haven't. If DDG goes then we will need another one.

I find it hard to believe that people think we will seriously compete for the title with our current squad (so light up front), hence I think it would be harsh if he was sacked for finishing 4th. We are close though, very close but unless we buy in the next 3 days we won't be good enough.

So saying that I would be shocked if we don't bring in 2 more, maybe a keeper as well for when DDG inevitably goes.
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Given RvP and Di Maria's contributions last year, I don't think it will be hard to replace them with what we already have.
 
A rolling one year deal would seem appropriate, IF we are progressing and winning trophies.
 
beergod said:
six years at Ajax and four years at AZ and he left both for jobs at big clubs. Your point is?
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My point being he doesn't need more than 3 years to install his philosophy, people love to give him credit for today's bayern and pep's barca but he didn't have long spells there.

Backroom staff had nothing to do with it, he also bred alot of hate at ajax but because of his accomplishments was never fired. It's simple for me, if he doesn't win a title he shouldn't extend.
 
Raoul said:
A rolling one year deal would seem appropriate, IF we are progressing and winning trophies.
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I can see the sense in it i'd worry if we need to recruit players though how many will be put off by the uncertainty of not knowing if the manager that wants them will be there the next year.
 
We are setup to do well next year if our young forwards grow into their boots. I wouldn't be surprised if he doesn't need an extension to win a major trophy.

nokillingmoths said:
Do you mean CL title. From 7th to CL winners in 3 seasons. Realistic...
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I am actually quite bullish on our CL prospects. May win it again before we do the league.
 
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