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kouroux said:
It may sound arrogant from me but whether we'll win or not the FA Cup will mean feck all to me. The season has been dead for a long time and each match (with a few exceptions here and there) felt like the process leading up to the execution. After Moyes I felt so angry but this is so different, I'm having trouble finding the exact words. I just want LVG to go as he should have many months ago.
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A trophy could potentially be a massive boost to this group of players though. It would also help the new manager coming in as a lot of players will be coming back from summer break on a high on the back of winning their first English trophy.

Obviously this is only a potential scenario but winning the trophy can only be a positive.

It will also go down in our record books and would be nice to equal Arsenal's record and closer to becoming the FA Cup leaders.

Believe me, next season when we all look back at this dreadful season, it will be far nicer to know we at least won a trophy on the back of it. It's not like it's the Carling cup (or whatever its called now).
 
DomesticTadpole said:
Years ago people would have just gone down the pub and had a moan over a pint, or smashed a few windows.
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They would but I don't think that environment encouraged the relentless debate, the endless, circular discussion we have now. You went to to the pub, friends would have discussed who was shit, what mistakes were made, maybe called the manager a twat and then moved on. Whereas here it just builds and builds, people's extreme opinions constantly up the ante, it isn't conducive to moderation or patience.
 
unitedbhoy said:
It will also go down in our record books and would be nice to equal Arsenal's record and closer to becoming the FA Cup leaders.

Believe me, next season when we all look back at this dreadful season, it will be far nicer to know we at least won a trophy on the back of it. It's not like it's the Carling cup (or whatever its called now).
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What if the trophy gives LVG another season? The only people it would be nice for is rival clubs.
 
sunama said:
What if the trophy gives LVG another season? The only people it would be nice for is rival clubs.
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I honestly think there is no chance of that happening.

I've been confident of Van Gaal leaving since Di Marzio and Ballague announcing Mourinho stories, but after last night, I'm certain of it. There is no way top 4 was not a bare minimum target, it's just a shame it took so long for him to inevitably miss it.
 
Adebesi said:
You dont actually have to go back that far to find worse times for the club than this.

The difference is this period comes on the back of such a long and sustained period of success. It is the contrast between the two periods, I think, that makes this so difficult to bear.
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I started supporting United during Ron Atkinson days and my memories of that period are amazing. I loved following that team. Even during SAFs first few barren years, when the football was as bad as it is now, it was also great because I could see what he was trying to achieve.

Its different to now because I can't see a coherent strategy and don't know how the club is planning to get to the top of the League again. What I do see evidence of is relentless maximisation of profits and the business. I don't have an issue with that and think the football side of the club has been given sufficient resources to achieve its goals. Simply that key employee hires have been fundamentally flawed including the most recent 2 managers and several players.

How come that fans can easily see the problems but not our senior management?
 
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sammsky1 said:
I started supporting United during Ron Atkinson days and my memories of that period are amazing. I loved following that team. Even during SAFs first few barren years, when the football was as bad as it is now, it was also great because I could see what he was trying to achieve.

Its different to now because I can't see a coherent strategy and don't know how the club is planning to get to the top of the League again. What I do see evidence of is relentless maximisation of profits and the business. I don't have an issue with that and think the football side of the club has been given sufficient resources to achieve its goals. Simply that key employee hires have been fundamentally flawed including the most recent 2 managers and several players.

How can as fans we can easily see the problems but our senior management can't?
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We don't know they can't Sam. I'll join you in your condemnations if he's still here in July. As for leaving him in his post for 2H this season, that was clearly a mistake in hindsight, and many disagreed at the time. But I think it was defensible, justifiable. It wasn't the clear lunacy that keeping him for next season would be.
 
sammsky1 said:
I started supporting United during Ron Atkinson days and my memories of that period are amazing. I loved following that team. Even during SAFs first few barren years, when the football was as bad as it is now, it was also great because I could see what he was trying to achieve.
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Is that truly the case?

From my dad's recollection (50 years supporting and attending), and the general consensus on here, is that the football played over the past 2 seasons have been among, if not thee, worst football played in the club's history
 
Here is the view from a neutral.
He touches on the Mourinho issue and cannot understand why we are hanging onto LVG, and not jumping all over Jose.

 
Adebesi said:
They would but I don't think that environment encouraged the relentless debate, the endless, circular discussion we have now. You went to to the pub, friends would have discussed who was shit, what mistakes were made, maybe called the manager a twat and then moved on. Whereas here it just builds and builds, people's extreme opinions constantly up the ante, it isn't conducive to moderation or patience.
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Also what was said down the pub was not going end up in the papers. Now, as you say dissent grows and grows, journos are trawling round the fan forums and before you know it your opinion is in a national paper. It simmers from game to game with the papers keeping the flames fanned.
 
unitedbhoy said:
A trophy could potentially be a massive boost to this group of players though. It would also help the new manager coming in as a lot of players will be coming back from summer break on a high on the back of winning their first English trophy.

Obviously this is only a potential scenario but winning the trophy can only be a positive.

It will also go down in our record books and would be nice to equal Arsenal's record and closer to becoming the FA Cup leaders.

Believe me, next season when we all look back at this dreadful season, it will be far nicer to know we at least won a trophy on the back of it. It's not like it's the Carling cup (or whatever its called now).
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Tbh, it will feel nice no doubt but all things considered, when I'll look at the season overall, it won't change anything as to how I'll perceive it.
 
sunama said:
Here is the view from a neutral.
He touches on the Mourinho issue and cannot understand why we are hanging onto LVG, and not jumping all over Jose.

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He's pretty much spot on except for the bit about proposing Giggs take over from Mourinho.
 
unitedbhoy said:
Is that truly the case?

From my dad's recollection (50 years supporting and attending), and the general consensus on here, is that the football played over the past 2 seasons have been among, if not thee, worst football played in the club's history
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You're right, I was being kind.

That early team of SAF's still had genuine street fighters like Bryan Robson, McGrath, Moses and Stapleton who would provide strength and backbone, even if we did not have the enough skill to win anything.

We have lost our carefully produced identity in less than 3 years - its tragic.

Years gone by, a Manchester United team would have gone out last night and revelled in that hell hole atmosphere. Famous night like those at Fenerbahce, Galatasaray, Anfield, Highbury ... the list is endless, when Man United ignored the script and used adverse conditions to motivate themselves.

We now have a bunch a timid and weak hearted layers who have little empathy for what the club was like for many decades. Im furious.
 
sammsky1 said:
You're right, I was being kind.

That early team of SAF's still had genuine street fighters like Bryan Robson, McGrath, Moses and Stapleton who would provide strength and backbone, even if we did not have the enough skill to win anything.

We have lost our carefully produced identity in less than 3 years - its tragic.

Years gone by, a Manchester United team would have gone out last night and revelled in that hell hole atmosphere. Famous night like those at Fenerbahce, Galatasaray, Anfield, Highbury ... the list is endless, when Man United ignored the script and used adverse conditions to motivate themselves.

We now have a bunch a timid and weak hearted layers who have little empathy for what the club was like for many decades. Im furious.
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Agree with all of that except Frank Stapleton as an example of a street fighter
 
NK86 said:
Can you summarise some of it?
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The presenters were basically saying that he blew it last night and maybe just maybe he could have redeemed himself for a season of awful football by beating West Ham and qualifying for the CL.

His team selection (no Carrick in particular), tactics and the teams general mentality were all ripped to shreds.

A few United fans calling in were basically just reiterating most of our sentiments and that he needs to be sacked.
 
simonhch said:
We deserve everything we get. None of this is bad luck, this is all self induced by horrendous decision making:

- hiring Moyes on a 6 year deal
- letting him clear out the bankroom staff
- dithering in the transfer market chasing unobtainable targets
- panic buying two shit players for way over the odds
- replacing Gill with an inexperienced CEO
- replacing Moyes with Van Gaal
- the continuing presence of the philandering clown
- buying and selling di Maria in less than 12 months
- allowing a man who is pathologically incapable of building sustainable professional relationships, bring players in and then shunt them out of the club
- rebuilding the squad with largely inferior players at great cost
- watching Klopp and Guardiola go to our two fiercest rivals
- not sacking Van Gaal in December after the worst corresponding month in club history
- negotiating a kit deal predicated on CL football
- shithouse match going fans that will politely clap a clown polishing a turd, as long as it shows support

Hope we lose to Palace.
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All spot on , and concisely written, with the one insertion missing and that is the wage, and contract length given too Wayne Rooney.
 
Shinehead Dred said:
I think that Morgan, Bastian and Michael are pretty much the same player at different stages of their careers. None are particularly mobile. None of them have a real physical presence. They are all technically proficient, with Morgan being behind Carrick and Bastian with his passing. It may improve in the future but he's never going to be a Scholes imo. All of them can do well if given time and space to play, which we will rarely be given. Age and injuries have hampered Carrick and Bastian in particular. Also Morgan struggles in the holding role.

Mata and Herrera are again very similar in style. Very technical players with an eye for a pass. I would say that they are both best utilised in the No.10 role, but how many times have they been deployed there this season? Mata is often stuck out on the wings where his lack of pace, strength and inability to defend adequately often makes him a liability. Herrera hasn't really been given the opportunities to really stake a claim. They can weave pretty patterns but could you really count on them in a dogfight.

Fellaini is a player who is strong and combative (somewhat thuggish) but he lacks the technical ability to really be a success here. Rooney can't be really blamed for our midfield woes cos.he's only played a couple of games in that position. However he isn't a natural midfielder. I'm not sure how long he can reasonably expect to hold that position.

So you see we have a midfield thats good at passing to each other but struggle to do much more than that.
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Well we're set then!
 
Leftback99 said:
Southampton. Apparently we've gone behind 11 times. Lost 9, won 1 and drawn 1. It's a squad with no character whatsoever.
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Yes we had characters in the past, but I think SAF screaming at you on the touchline would make you up your game. SAF pointing at his watch to make sure we got the correct stoppage time. What do you expect when our manager sits their crayoning during the game and expect them to cope with every eventuality, even ones they hadn't thought of. He should be up reorganising etc, because his captain won't do it for him, or either of his vice captains. SAF made sure his captain was an extension of himself on the pitch. This team is rudderless.
 
Garethw said:
The presenters were basically saying that he blew it last night and maybe just maybe he could have redeemed himself for a season of awful football by beating West Ham and qualifying for the CL.

His team selection (no Carrick in particular), tactics and the teams general mentality were all ripped to shreds.

A few United fans calling in were basically just reiterating most of our sentiments and that he needs to be sacked.
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Cheers mate!
 
DomesticTadpole said:
Yes we had characters in the past, but I think SAF screaming at you on the touchline would make you up your game. SAF pointing at his watch to make sure we got the correct stoppage time. What do you expect when our manager sits their crayoning during the game and expect them to cope with every eventuality, even ones they hadn't thought of. He should be up reorganising etc, because his captain won't do it for him, or either of his vice captains. SAF made sure his captain was an extension of himself on the pitch. This team is rudderless.
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LVG used to be on the touchline for Holland at the world cup. It almost feels like he got into this United job but his mind was already in retirement mode. Seriously feel like he almost doesn't give a crap as he already knows he is retiring.
 
Sick of him now, and the game yesterday left me proper angry about the team for the first time in ages. It makes all feel alot better knowing that Mourinho will be announced in a few weeks time though, but the days just seems to creep by until then.
 
unitedbhoy said:
Is that truly the case?

From my dad's recollection (50 years supporting and attending), and the general consensus on here, is that the football played over the past 2 seasons have been among, if not thee, worst football played in the club's history
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The football during SAF's first years wasn't actually bad in the sense of being dull like LVG's. We were bad in that we were often disorganized, careless and sloppy. We were a bit of what Liverpool was under Brendan Rodgers all seasons mixed together. Great some days, total mess some others.
 
unitedbhoy said:
Is that truly the case?

From my dad's recollection (50 years supporting and attending), and the general consensus on here, is that the football played over the past 2 seasons have been among, if not thee, worst football played in the club's history
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During Atkinson's reign football was exciting and swashbuckling, during Fergies first few years football wasn't shite we were quite good, we had choccy mcclare banging in goals breaking utd scoring records in the process, it was only the 89 season we were worryingly bad , hence the Fergie out campaign, to which I belonged, to my embarrassment ! I went too every home game and quite a few aways, it was nowhere, and I mean Nowhere as bad as now.
 
SteveJ said:
Bit harsh. Personally, I'd just give him the sack.
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Noting is too harsh for this fraud... I want him to leave Manchester stopping at every house to apologise for two years of putrid football, lies and delusional arrogance.
I actually don't want him to slip off into the night, I want him to be crucified like Wenger was when he was sent off at OT and ended up in the stand. I want Van Gaal to know that the autograph seekers who were queued up even this evening at OT aren't a realistic reflection of the majority of Utd fans.
I detest how he's assembled an expensive squad of social media craving frauds for the most part, without a backbone among them & how he's nurtured a seed of resentment in the board and their inability to act in all things football due to their focus on all things commercial, that was planted by Moyes.
 
NK86 said:
LVG used to be on the touchline for Holland at the world cup. It almost feels like he got into this United job but his mind was already in retirement mode. Seriously feel like he almost doesn't give a crap as he already knows he is retiring.
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He acts like a DoF instead of a coach.
 
unitedbhoy said:
When the trophy goes down in record books, people 30 years from now won't remember how awful we were this season.
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They will, I am going to tell everyone I know for the rest of my life how shit United were under Van Gaal.
 
iKeano said:
Noting is too harsh for this fraud... I want him to leave Manchester stopping at every house to apologise for two years of putrid football, lies and delusional arrogance.
I actually don't want him to slip off into the night, I want him to be crucified like Wenger was when he was sent off at OT and ended up in the stand. I want Van Gaal to know that the autograph seekers who were queued up even this evening at OT aren't a realistic reflection of the majority of Utd fans.
I detest how he's assembled an expensive squad of social media craving frauds for the most part, without a backbone among them & how he's nurtured a seed of resentment in the board and their inability to act in all things football due to their focus on all things commercial, that was planted by Moyes.
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Why stop there? Let's send him 'round the world on a Tour of Shame - a bit like our CL campaign - and he can knock on the doors of our foreign fans and say "I am sorry. Please pelt me with assorted vegetables."
 
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