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Do you want LVG sacked?

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SteveJ said:
If we allow them, the club will gladly let Louis carry on regardless - all it will take is a Cup semi-final; a comeback against Liverpool; an 'ooh so close' 5th place in the League; or even a few decent results at the season's end. And while he keeps being applauded out of Old Trafford, our living-in-a-bubble club will claim that LVG has the fans' support. Something must be done or the club will take the easy way out and we'll have more of van Gaal's borenography followed by Rookie Ryan.
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I agree with you, Woodward doesn't want to make a decision here, he wants the decision to be made for him like we did with Moyes. I can't see the fans fully turning though, just look at this thread, after three wins we had people changing their votes then we a had a swing of votes after the Liverpool fans. LvG is good with the press, he can turn the fans on his side with something pointless.

People seem sure about Mourinho, but to me the club is desperate for LvG to get something decent from this season so they can keep to their long-term plan of letting Giggs take over.

I'm just so down on the club as a whole right now, I can't even trust them to make a sensible decision. I know how you feel now, I don't even care if I miss all of our games this season.
 
Taxx said:
When will it be mathematically impossible for us to get top 4?
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Ages. Our next 3 league games are City, Everton, Spurs, but even if we lost all three it wouldn't be mathematically impossible until the following week. So something like 16 April at the earliest.
 
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"Get me Schneiderlin...SCHNEIDERLIN!"
 
Leftback99 said:
They really do. They need to give us some hope that they actually plan on turning this around. As long as the aim is to be the best, I can take not being the best, I can even take losing to Liverpool because they are simply better than us at this moment. But when the owners/board quite clearly have different aspirations where 'making £ > winning matches' you start to think what's the point?
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You nailed it, the ambition of the fans and the history of the club seem to not match the aspirations of the board. That's how you kill a club but also how you kill a brand in general.
 
He's slowly sucked away my love for the sport during his reign. Even if I really tried, I could never miss a United game but it's currently painful viewing.
 
I'm calling it now, we're not going to finish top 6. Chelsea and/or Liverpool will leapfrog us by the end. West Ham will comfortably finish 5th.

The only chance we have of finishing top 5 (top 4 is long gone imo) and salvaging some pride, is if we sacked van Fraudster and thereby injected a little more enthusiasm into our fans and players.
 
Shark said:
He's slowly sucked away my love for the sport during his reign. Even if I really tried, I could never miss a United game but it's currently painful viewing.
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Same here. There's so little excitement and anticipation for games.
 
He's one of those people that take delusion to another level and every time you see their face, you want to smash it with a metal pipe out of sheer frustration. Sad thing is, if we were rival/neutral fans, we'd have been pissing our pants laughing at him because he's a fecking idiot and he hasn't been sacked despite this abomination of a season. We're a laughing stock thanks to the Woody-Vangle cnut-duo.

It's remarkable that he pissed us off about 4 times in the past few days alone - the defeats to WBA and Liverpool, his "live in the past" comments and now this garbage.

When he finally fecks off, there should be celebrations of epic proportions. Let's just hope we'll have preserved our sanity until it happens.
 
He wont be here next week

We re playing the most important period of the year and we are utterly shit

I cant see us winning against West Ham tbh. They are the in form team and we have just won 5 in 30 games.

Then we ll be out of the EL by our ennemies at home. What a shame

And then once again we ll be hammered in the derby and be 7 or 8 points behind top four at 6th or 7th place with 9 games remaining, monstrous task

I really home IM wrong reagarding the results but I think that we ll be out of our three main aim next week and this f*t Dutch t*** will be out
 
Chaky_Best said:
He wont be here next week

We re playing the most important period of the year and we are utterly shit

I cant see us winning against West Ham tbh. They are the in form team and we have just won 5 in 30 games.

Then we ll be out of the EL by our ennemies at home. What a shame

And then once again we ll be hammered in the derby and be 7 or 8 points behind top four at 6th or 7th place with 9 games remaining, monstrous task

I really home IM wrong reagarding the results but I think that we ll be out of our three main aim next week and this f*t Dutch t*** will be out
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We're out of the Europa League and I think City will beat us at the Emptihad. Unless we beat West Ham tomorrow, I agree, he will be gone.
 
Chaky_Best said:
He wont be here next week

We re playing the most important period of the year and we are utterly shit

I cant see us winning against West Ham tbh. They are the in form team and we have just won 5 in 30 games.

Then we ll be out of the EL by our ennemies at home. What a shame

And then once again we ll be hammered in the derby and be 7 or 8 points behind top four at 6th or 7th place with 9 games remaining, monstrous task

I really home IM wrong reagarding the results but I think that we ll be out of our three main aim next week and this f*t Dutch t*** will be out
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Can you stop posting this type of things, that's disgusting
 
K2K said:
So the fact that a manager gets help in signing players means that the players are being dictated to him? Which club is run any differently?

Because at United, the manager has always had final say . Case in point, David Moyes. The club had scouted Garay and Strootman extensively before he got here, Herrera too. But he wasnt interested in the first two and didnt sign them.

You are just making up stuff as you go along now.
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I'm not making anything up. If you asked most people where United would finish this season then most people would have said between 3-5th - that is where the quality of your squad is. The optimistics or maybe unrealistics would of said top two and the total pesimistics would have said outside of the top 6.

This isn't like a Man City who have the best squad in the league and the best player in the league (in his prime, may I mention) and struggling to nail down a top 4 place, or what Mourinho was doing earlier in the season - having the league champions in 17th place, or even what McClaren done at Newcastle, a team that should be finishing top 10 but down in 19th.

Is Van Gaal doing a great job? Certainly not! Could he be doing better? For sure! Is it purely his fault whilst Man Utd are in 5th place and lacking top quality in the side? IMO no. If you were to finish 4th it would be an ordinary season but based on the quality of your squad not totally surprisingly. And before you mention it yes you could be certainly playing a better style of football but I've already mentioned that in earlier posts.
 
If I win something like 5 in 30 on football manager, I usually delete in the save file in shame.

And that's when I'm managing Barnet.
 
RyRoc said:
I'm not making anything up. If you asked most people where United would finish this season then most people would have said between 3-5th - that is where the quality of your squad is. The optimistics or maybe unrealistics would of said top two and the total pesimistics would have said outside of the top 6.

This isn't like a Man City who have the best squad in the league and the best player in the league (in his prime, may I mention) and struggling to nail down a top 4 place, or what Mourinho was doing earlier in the season - having the league champions in 17th place, or even what McClaren done at Newcastle, a team that should be finishing top 10 but down in 19th.

Is Van Gaal doing a great job? Certainly not! Could he be doing better? For sure! Is it purely his fault whilst Man Utd are in 5th place and lacking top quality in the side? IMO no. If you were to finish 4th it would be an ordinary season but based on the quality of your squad not totally surprisingly. And before you mention it yes you could be certainly playing a better style of football but I've already mentioned that in earlier posts.
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Nothing of what you said shows that signings have been dictated to him.

You've now gone off tangent about expected league positions and what not.

My point was simple, you have no proof of those claims whatsover. The fact that you used the fact that he has help as proof of some sort dictaction is just silly. Even Luis Enrique gets help on that, that doesnt mean anything he's being dictated to.
 
K2K said:
Nothing of what you said shows that signings have been dictated to him.

You've now gone off tangent about expected league positions and what not.

My point was simple, you have no proof of those claims whatsover. The fact that you used the fact that he has help as proof of some sort dictaction is just silly. Even Luis Enrique gets help on that, that doesnt mean anything he's being dictated to.
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Ok so the big issue here is you believe that Van Gaal is having a big say in the transfer recruitment and I don't. Simply a difference of opinion, which you're entitled to and so am I.
 
He will still be here next week. We will get a replay against West Ham, beat Liverpool but go out, then draw against City
 
TakeMeHome said:
He will still be here next week. We will get a replay against West Ham, beat Liverpool but go out, then draw against City
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And that week will be praised as an 'unbeaten run' and LVG will taunt us again on his progress while many of our fans lap it up like fickle eejits.
 
RyRoc said:
Ok so the big issue here is you believe that Van Gaal is having a big say in the transfer recruitment and I don't. Simply a difference of opinion, which you're entitled to and so am I.
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Why do you think that?
 
Kaos said:
And that week will be praised as an 'unbeaten run' and LVG will taunt us again on his progress while many of our fans lap it up like fickle eejits.
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Except I don't think it will happen. The not scoring an away goal at Anfield will bite us on the bum. Not confident about tomorrow either. City are as bad as us.
 
K2K said:
I am saying that your opnion is baseless. You still havent provided any proof to those claims.

just like a generic daily mail comment.
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I'm not going to provide any proof because as I've said I'm not in the know and I'm not claiming to have any sources. I'm simply stating how the structures of transfers work at football clubs. Just like you don't have any proof that Van Gaal is happy with all the transfers. Football is a game of opinions, you don't have to agree with them but everyone is entitled to their say especially on a forum...I want to add maybe Van Gaal agreed to these transfers but they were not his first choice players and had to accept what was given to him, therefore who in your opinion is to blame? It's a difficult one.
 
RyRoc said:
Yes managers will also have their say on players they want but quite often they are not given their first choice player and quite often they agree to sign a player based on their scouting or on what someone inside the club wants - that is how it works.
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I don't understand that part, managers' first choices come from the scouting system, you don't really think that managers discover players by themselves. They create their wishlist from the scouting reports and from their own video analysis.
 
Guys, he's going nowhere until end if the season. We could lose the next 6 games and nothing will change. So anyone hoping he's gone after defeats to City etc, think again.
 
JPRouve said:
I don't understand that part, managers' first choices come from the scouting system, you don't really think that managers discover players by themselves. They create their wishlist from the scouting reports and from their own video analysis.
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Not always, what about players that you have worked with before or you have come up against? Players that you have seen with your own eyes. Stats and scouting reports can often be used to back up what the manager originally thought. By the way I'm talking about more established players. For players under the age of 19 with little first team experience then yes you are correct.
 
RyRoc said:
Not always, what about players that you have worked with before or you have come up against? Players that you have seen with your own eyes. Stats and scouting reports can often be used to back up what the manager originally thought. By the way I'm talking about more established players. For players under the age of 19 with little first team experience then yes you are correct.
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The players you have come up against are scouted, the players you have worked with are rare.

Edit: By the way that post kind of destroy your initial claim.

LVG played against Rojo, Schneiderlin, Di Maria, Romero, Schweinsteiger, Valdes.
And he trained Romero, Blind, Memphis, Schweinsteiger, Valdes.

So, out of the 12 first team players that he bought, he has experience with 8 of them, the other players are Falcao, Martial, Shaw and Herrera.
 
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I'm back unfortunately after a bit of trouble.

For the people who say that LVG is using kids to cover his back.. that might be true sense he might be finishing a job he started..however, this is something he has been known to do (playing youth) for 20 years or so.

Let's not pretend that this wasn't always likely.

His present performance s are poor, something again that nobody should be surprised about.

No-one would hire LVG to win titles over someone like Mourinho. Hopefully LVG finishes and gives more debuts to kids before someone who can focus on the present comes.

Personally, I'd love LVG to do ish buying youth I.e a young RW , 2 young cm's and a young CB. Let him do that and then let mourinho add whichever players in their prime or experienced to start winning things now.

People who see no progression are stupid. You have a squad full of under 25's doing the same thing a bunch of experienced players did the year before and the one after that. Purely by age alone, they can only get better.
 
I've been changing opinion like i change my underwear wether he should keep his job if we reach top 4 or not, but i think my final conclusion is that he should go no matter what now.
We have a few runs here and there where we up the tempo and play more direct football, but now when a few players have come back he suddently reverts back to the slow boring football that we have seen so much of in his tenure.

His view on football just seems very outdated, the way he wants his team to play doesn't Work anymore. Also, i think he is very bad at buying the right players, a manager simply needs to know what type of player he is looking for, the players we have bought haven't lived up to what you would expect.

I want to see a new manager coming in with a positive play style, high pressing, likes to play the Young lads etc.
I'm not sure Mourinho fits that description at all, but which other options is there? A Pochettino like appointment, someone who has achieved better than expectations would be ideal, i don't know who that is though.
If we ended up with Mourinho then it's not exactly a bad choice, that guy is a Winner, but he definitely has his negatives.


I'm confident that LvG will be gone this summer.
 
Santiago_KinderBueno said:
I'm back unfortunately after a bit of trouble.

For the people who say that LVG is using kids to cover his back.. that might be true sense he might be finishing a job he started..however, this is something he has been known to do (playing youth) for 20 years or so.

Let's not pretend that this wasn't always likely.

His present performance s are poor, something again that nobody should be surprised about.

No-one would hire LVG to win titles over someone like Mourinho. Hopefully LVG finishes and gives more debuts to kids before someone who can focus on the present comes.

Personally, I'd love LVG to do ish buying youth I.e a young RW , 2 young cm's and a young CB. Let him do that and then let mourinho add whichever players in their prime or experienced to start winning things now.

People who see no progression are stupid. You have a squad full of under 25's doing the same thing a bunch of experienced players did the year before and the one after that. Purely by age alone, they can only get better.
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Playing dour Van Gaal football and losing games?

New players getting introduced to the team have looked good more often than not, only to eventually have what the life sucked out of them by the system.

But of course, when Van Gaal eventually leaves and these players he's so called introduced to the team are playing under a manager who actually allows them to play football are performing, Van Gaal will get the credit from people like you.

There's more to managing a club than just introducing young players to the side, and it seems like Van Gaal and his acolytes have forgotten this.
 
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