I'm not pretending he's a liability it's true, it's pure luck he's not got a lot more red cards than he has, he should have been off against Newcastle.
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I'm not pretending he's a liability it's true, it's pure luck he's not got a lot more red cards than he has, he should have been off against Newcastle.
Feck me you don't half twist things. Read what I posted. Depay is showing signs of coming into himself, Blind is a great squad player, Darmain hopefully settles. Morgan, Bastian good signings and Martial looks a steal now. Shaw and Herrera will become main fixtures. I covered the sub GKs both frees, Falcao and ADM flopped. What bit are you not getting?
The bit where all these signings are shrewd depending on variables that have not been realised yet and you yourself have expressed doubt about until it now suits you.
Think you need to check my posts a bit clearer and see what I've been saying consistently all season. Feel free to cherry pick posts though
Either go and check my posts from the start off the season till now and see what I have consistently been saying about LVGs buys or give me piece and quiet. I'm not going to argue with someone who's trying to argue black when I have been saying white. I'm just finding you puzzling now.
It's all there for you in black and white. They're your words not mine. Darmian has been no better than McNair and Depay should be fourth choice but now they're shrewd because you're desperate to stick up for Van Gaal.
Do 2 things at once but he's a man. It's widely known that men can't multitask.
Because he doesn't believe a manager can affect a game during the match. He said as much when they asked him why he never stood in the technical area in the pre-match presser.
He is wrong but that is what he believes.
Depay should be fourth choice I still agree with that that doesn't mean he's not a shrewd signing he's a kid who has massive potential but no way should he be a nailed starter at this stage of his career. Same goes for Martial but is he not a good signing now? Darmain has been poor but like Evra his profile is good I'm hopeful he will kick on once he settles. He's an Italian international at 25 years roughly, we spent less than £16m on him that is shrewd in my book. I'm all for LVG going and a new manager coming in. But you'll probably cherry pick 1 post out of a 100 posts to argue otherwise. I don't think you are fully understanding what I am saying so I can't really argue with you. Me writing those posts doesnt weaken what I say so I don't get your point. At best you are looking to short term like half a season at worst I'm not sure what you are getting at. But in my opinion I'll state for you again I think LVG has been shrewd in the transfer market and I have stated this a few times now since the start of the season.
We should stop judging the players as they were all being played out of positions. We need a better manager who will be able to bring the best out of the players.
I am surprised this guy still has the job. 9 Points off the top and falling back after every match.
Joint bottom of the form table after the last 6 matches.
Football for the most part as been negative, hard to watch and ineffective.
Where has it all gone wrong? Glaizers? Woodward? Van Gaal?
Behind the scenes, I don't know who makes the final decisions, but our transfer business has been poor for quite a few years now, but even looking at Van Gaals tenure, it's been a disaster.
The Good: Shaw, Martial, Schneiderlin
The bad: Di Maria, Valdes, Romero
The Unsure: Depay (potential) Darmian (shows signs) Bastian (Age, wages, effectiveness) Rojo (Just unsure) Blind (Jack of all trades, mas...) Herrera (Not been given a fair chance)
Problem for me is, to many of these signings are in the unsure bracket for one reason or another.
It is easy to say this (He may not have wanted to come), but why sign Bastian, when we could have gone straight for Vidal, who Bayern bought to replace Bastian.
We just don't go into windows with a vision it seems. We have no real right sided winger, yet we don't go for one, etc etc.
But who is to blame when it comes to transfers..Woodward or LVG?
Joint bottom of the form table after the last 6 matches.
Football for the most part as been negative, hard to watch and ineffective.
Where has it all gone wrong? Glaizers? Woodward? Van Gaal?
Behind the scenes, I don't know who makes the final decisions, but our transfer business has been poor for quite a few years now, but even looking at Van Gaals tenure, it's been a disaster.
The Good: Shaw, Martial, Schneiderlin
The bad: Di Maria, Valdes, Romero
The Unsure: Depay (potential) Darmian (shows signs) Bastian (Age, wages, effectiveness) Rojo (Just unsure) Blind (Jack of all trades, mas...) Herrera (Not been given a fair chance)
Problem for me is, to many of these signings are in the unsure bracket for one reason or another.
It is easy to say this (He may not have wanted to come), but why sign Bastian, when we could have gone straight for Vidal, who Bayern bought to replace Bastian.
We just don't go into windows with a vision it seems. We have no real right sided winger, yet we don't go for one, etc etc.
But who is to blame when it comes to transfers..Woodward or LVG?
Its hardly surprising that some of these signings are in the "unsure" bracket, three of them have only been here for half a season, it is normal for it to take that long for signings to settle in. Vidic and Evra would have been lucky to get into the "unsure" category after this period, theyd probably have found themselves in the "shit" group.
The other 3, yes, youd expect more. Actually I would put Blind in the good category anyway, you are right he is a jack of all trades but he was inexpensive and he may not be a master of any of his trades, but he is very good, on the whole. Early last season he looked better than Shaw at LB, OK Shaw overtook him, that is what we all expected and hoped for. But he is a good option there. He has been a good CB for us, OK a lot of people will disagree with me there but others will agree, if half of us think it he must be doing something right. Id like to see him in midfield again as well, he was quality there, if you doubt it go and look at the threads from last season when he was playing there. Herrera too, I would put on the borderline of being good, and I blame Van Gaal for mismanaging him more than him for underperforming, as you seem to imply.
I dont want to get bogged down in player evaluations in this thread but I guess my point is I think our squad is better than it is showing at the moment.
The other 3, yes, youd expect more. Actually I would put Blind in the good category anyway, you are right he is a jack of all trades but he was inexpensive and he may not be a master of any of his trades, but he is very good, on the whole. Early last season he looked better than Shaw at LB, OK Shaw overtook him, that is what we all expected and hoped for. But he is a good option there. He has been a good CB for us, OK a lot of people will disagree with me there but others will agree, if half of us think it he must be doing something right. Id like to see him in midfield again as well, he was quality there, if you doubt it go and look at the threads from last season when he was playing there. Herrera too, I would put on the borderline of being good, and I blame Van Gaal for mismanaging him more than him for underperforming, as you seem to imply.
I dont want to get bogged down in player evaluations in this thread but I guess my point is I think our squad is better than it is showing at the moment.
Unfortunately it seems the ability to maintain possession and keep the opponent at arm's length is really only possible when the opposition are happy with the result and simply allow United to play their sterile possession football. When teams attack this United defence it really doesn't have the quality to withstand it.
One of the main reasons United has such a good defensive record at home is because they have scored so few.
It really does weaken what you say. My opinion is his business has not been shrewd at all and nothing you have said has changed that. His signing have been a mixed bag of expensive but very good in Martial, a good squad player in Blind and players either under performing or shite.
Your starting to bore me now, you are like the person who heard an end of a conversation and are now rambling on. Go back further through out the season rather than 2-3 posts if you like then maybe you'll see the bigger picture. I've tried to say to you and explain but you are not interested as that would mean you are wrong so no point in it. I'm not adverse to admiting getting things wrong but you are clearly misrepresenting what I have said. I'll say it for the time to you, LVG has bought well imo he has made very shrewd signings. The problem LVG has got is his philosophy is not working so our football is boring and to safe. But Herrera, Blind, Shaw, Morgan, Bastian have all proved there worth. Darmain and Depay should next season but both have been poor this season imo. Two GKs were free transfers and ADM and Falcao both flopped for different reasons.
You'd be surprised.
That is a very well put point
You're not the only one ores of it. I just don't see how players you've admitted yourself haven't been good enough can be considere shrewd at this stage. They may prove to be but there's no evidence to suggest it so far. Feel free to keep believing how shrewd he's been if you want but his transfer record so far has been pretty shit in my eyes. His best players are almost all players that have been handed to him.
Herrera, Shaw, Darmain, Depay, Blind, Morgan and Martial look like having long careers here as opposed Mata and Fellaini who was more expensive than most them.
Herrera and Shaw were all but signed beforehand. Add them to De Gea, Smalling, Carrick and Young and like I said most of his best performers were nothing to do with his apparent shrewdness. Again, I don't see how Darmian looks like he has a long career here ahead. There's nothing to suggest it other than hope.
Who will win?
Is 'hard-hitting exclusives' the new 'gobby bullshit'?
The only thing Custis hits hard is the all-you-can-eat buffet at his local Indian.
Who's actually been out of position?
if there was a graph drawn charting the last couple of months, the curve would have been throbbing on the "sack imminent" line Norwich/Stoke, but has now in my opinion gone down to "pretty safe".
Which is quite odd really, bearing in mind we've only won against a shocking Swansea team at home, and a League 1 team requiring a 93rd min after an awful game.
It'd probably take a 3 or 4-0 pumping to even tick up to "under pressure" again.
I'm certain he's here until the summer now, after all that's only 17 league games, and a small handful of cup games.
Then a very tough bit of work for the board, as any new manager will obviously be a huge decision, but then you lose a lot of that summer for buying players, not to mention that you can't expect instant gelling.
Which is quite odd really, bearing in mind we've only won against a shocking Swansea team at home, and a League 1 team requiring a 93rd min after an awful game.
It'd probably take a 3 or 4-0 pumping to even tick up to "under pressure" again.
I'm certain he's here until the summer now, after all that's only 17 league games, and a small handful of cup games.
Then a very tough bit of work for the board, as any new manager will obviously be a huge decision, but then you lose a lot of that summer for buying players, not to mention that you can't expect instant gelling.
Not sure if you're either not being serious, or mean in the last game or 2.
But for starters, Blind, Young, Darmian, Martial and Mata are all pretty out of position fairly regularly.
Fellaini himself isn't really a CM.
Then at other stages, Rooney, Valencia, Herrera AND Memphis.
So erm, almost everyone?
Not sure if you're either not being serious, or mean in the last game or 2.
But for starters, Blind, Young, Darmian, Martial and Mata are all pretty out of position fairly regularly.
Fellaini himself isn't really a CM.
Then at other stages, Rooney, Valencia, Herrera AND Memphis.
So erm, almost everyone?
Well Blind has played in a lot of positions before he joined us including CB, LB and DM.
Young I will grant you but that will happen when 3 of your 4 fullbacks are injured.
Darmian was signed as a fullback who can cover both sides. Which he has done
Martial has played all but one game as either a left forward or striker. His positions.
Mata has played the same role his whole career.
Fellaini has played CM (which box he is closest to changes at times) all his career he just isn't very good.
Valencia is a much better fullback than he is winger and also better than Darmian at right back.
Herrera and Rooney covered a thin area last season.
You're talking about where players have played, not where they are most effective, and thus what their position is.
Darmian is a right back. There's been games he's played left back, with Young left back!
No-one bar Van Gaal would play Blind at centre back In the premier league! We've got away with it by being so dour, and with 2 deep CMs.
Valencia has been an out and out winger his whole club career, with the odd bit of CM action for his country. He played fullback once when we were desperate, but Van Gaal has meddled with him too.
Looking over it all, no wonder we look so disjointed!
How did Fergie win leagues by doing the same?
Agree. I am not sure why so many talk about playing players out of positions.
Young is only in the side because of injuries and does a better job than people like Varela, Jones and McNair in that role.
LVG has already said
1. he is confident that Depay can play LW, No 9 or No 10.
2. That Martial is more effective from the left, but can play No 9.
3. That he does not believe Rooney plays No 9 well and hence prefers him at No 10. Let's not forget Fergie had Rooney in midfield and LW,
4. Mata is playing where he has most of his career as is Fellani.
5. Blind is a utility player that has played many positions because of that.
6. Darmian is the same, history shows he has played LWB and RWB all his career.
The fact some players have found the PL considerably harder than their previous leagues should also be taken into account. Martial, Depay and Darmian have only been here 5 months.
Herrera and Shaw were signed when LVG was the manager. Carrick has been poor, Smalling has improved massively under LVG and DDG stayed under his tenure as well. It can also be worked to say Young has had a reinvention under LVG. But that's all twisting to suit an agenda! I'll leave you with it.
Heard lots of people talk about our ability to only just beat Swansea because they are so shit. Yet just prior to our game they were only just beaten 2-1 at City with Yaya late deflected goal, Palace and WHU both only got 0-0 draws.
Everton and Arsenal scrape past a resurgent Geordies, yet we should apparently smash them.
Some really unrealistic expectations from the caf. You would think that we have always smashed teams, never found it difficult against lower league teams.
so you're saying we are playing really shit football with all those players in their correct positions?
Herrera and Fellaini aren't being used properly at the moment. Herrera is a good 10 but it's not his best position. Fellaini just isn't very good, yeah, but again, he isn't at his best playing in a defensive role. It's especially frustrating because there's no discernible reason for using them in that way other than LVG insisting on playing 4-2-3-1. Having Schneiderlin hold and giving Herrera and Fellaini box to box roles either side of him would suit both of them more.
Not sure if you're either not being serious, or mean in the last game or 2.
But for starters, Blind, Young, Darmian, Martial and Mata are all pretty out of position fairly regularly.
Fellaini himself isn't really a CM.
Then at other stages, Rooney, Valencia, Herrera AND Memphis.
So erm, almost everyone?
The clearest example of this is the midfield 3. The squad doesn't have the personnel in depth to play 2 holding midfield players and a number 10. There isn't an outstanding number 10 at the club and they have had to shoe horn Fellaini or Herrera into a holding midfield role to fit the system in recent weeks.
The impression is that LVG has picked his preferred system and tried to fit the players around that rather than adapt the system to get the best out of his players.
It's the same situation with the wingers. The system demands high quality wide players but he doesn't have any. I am amazed how reluctant he is to change the system.
Which is kind of exactly what he did when we went on a good run towards end of last year. and this season totally changed it trying to shoehorn everyone into a different system.
Or because United keep the ball most of the time so no one can attack them.
We had poor results against Newcastle and Norwich, and should have taken more points against Chelsea and City, but largely had all the ball at our home games. Not saying we have played well, but definitely had the ball a significant amountil of time.
Look at the entire stock market and the rest of the world. Almost every stock market is down in the last week. The Twitter is talking crap.
Not that I particularly care right now but, same thing happened when Moyes was here from what I recall. Same excuses were trotted out.
Although, even Hugh Hefner's stiffy went down when Moyes was in charge
Apparently Klopp was offerred the job after SAF's retirement and the guy said No. 
He was a better manager.
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