You mean a more defensive midfielder? I don't see it really. Mascherano isn't winning any headers, so the game may completely pass him by given how it has been laid out. Busquets or Schuster we are talking roughly the same kind of player in this incarnation with Busquets being somewhat better defensively (hard to tell really with him being a "system baby"TM) but Schuster being a much more formidable midfield general. Think Pirlo in terms of distribution, but with a cnutish streak and not shying away from physical players.LV Monopoly draft - QF3: Enigma vs DavidG
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You mean a more defensive midfielder? I don't see it really. Mascherano isn't winning any headers, so the game may completely pass him by given how it has been laid out. Busquets or Schuster we are talking roughly the same kind of player in this incarnation with Busquets being somewhat better defensively (hard to tell really with him being a "system baby"TM) but Schuster being a much more formidable midfield general. Think Pirlo in terms of distribution, but with a cnutish streak and not shying away from physical players.This is a match up of two teams where one has 3 players who will never help out defensively ( and let's face it, they could do with the help) and the other only has one (pele)
I think the midfield work pretty well in terms of what I've tried to achieve here, none of my midfielders would overlap with the attacker roles, all are excellent passers on the ball, all are technically great and on top of that positionally and tactically excellent. With of course a work rate to boot.
It's a well oiled machine that sets up the stage to our three focal points in attack - Ronaldo, Eusebio and Dinho.
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How is Eusebio when coming from the right? Any videos showcasing it? I admittedly haven't watched too much of him and the first thing that comes to mind is the drag back goal he scored.
How is Eusebio when coming from the right? Any videos showcasing it? I admittedly haven't watched too much of him and the first thing that comes to mind is the drag back goal he scored.
Aye, exactly this. Schuster is a big game players as well, not that Busquets is not of course, but had to point it out with the former.
Busquets does seem to struggle without Xavi in midfield and while it might be down to being a bit tired and probably overplayed there is a gulf in difference in this Barca midfield and the one Xavi orchestrated.
"Four times baby", shouts Seedorf as he leaves the pitch in a strop.
Which box did you pick Pelé from? I was under the impression you had several good options and actually expected Enigma to pick Pelé (or Eusebio) from the US box.
Sorry , when I say triple I'm always referencing the fact it was 3 different sides.
First box I landed on was the US one, considered getting Leonel Alvarez to replace de Rossi but you just don't pass up pele when you land on that box unless Kaiser is still an option
I've posted a link on the previous page where he played against Real Madrid in the EC final:
He's no stranger playing wide. The penalty that he creates @ 2:50 is one of the most remembered moments during that time - sprinting past none other than Di Stefano.
He also played a pretty similar role in 66 against Brazil when he scored 2(the game Pele got injured, or better say carried an injury).
Generally he played inside left, inside right, roamed a lot on both flanks. Probably you'll find him storming more on the right channel but was really apt on both. At his best he's off the forward and drops deeper - a bit much like this game.
He put a shift in midfield as well, not Gullit level of course, but Kaka level at least from what I've seen of him. As I said I don't think Bale(the winger forward version) gives better support in midfield than Eusebio. He's no Romario in that sense.
Any excuse to post this , but it shows the kind of space Beckham would likely get in this game ( I.e. LCM trying to push across to him)
Unfortunate that the guy on the end of this is in your team, but it's a goal you can easily imagine pele or Gullit scoring.
Unfortunate that the guy on the end of this is in your team, but it's a goal you can easily imagine pele or Gullit scoring.
I approve the clip, especially since the other guy - Ronaldo, focal point of the attack, in our team is currently leading our line.
Of course from that wing there is another lad that can spray a decent ball.
Cafu Beckham is one of the most dangerous right sides I can think of, they literally have everything you could ever want in a RB/RM duo and with the time and space they are going to get here it's set up for them to run the show.
Switch to the left and you have the same scenario but with a weaker defensive player than souness shifting out wide to try and stop the threat of Bale and Carlos.
As touched on you are stronger through the middle but I have arguably the best defender ever, famous for his performances against star players , and another who will win everything in the air. Anything quickly into your forwards feet more than 30 yards from goal will have de Rossi snapping at them and seedorf helping out, and before you know it the pace of my full backs and bale plus the industry of Beckham and Gullit are back helping out.
Its also worth noting that should they get through on goal or get a shot away, they are facing an all time great goalkeeper. Contrast that to the guy at the other end and it's another clear advantage for me.
Switch to the left and you have the same scenario but with a weaker defensive player than souness shifting out wide to try and stop the threat of Bale and Carlos.
As touched on you are stronger through the middle but I have arguably the best defender ever, famous for his performances against star players , and another who will win everything in the air. Anything quickly into your forwards feet more than 30 yards from goal will have de Rossi snapping at them and seedorf helping out, and before you know it the pace of my full backs and bale plus the industry of Beckham and Gullit are back helping out.
Its also worth noting that should they get through on goal or get a shot away, they are facing an all time great goalkeeper. Contrast that to the guy at the other end and it's another clear advantage for me.
I approve the clip, especially since the other guy - Ronaldo, focal point of the attack, in our team is currently leading our line.
Of course from that wing there is another lad that can spray a decent ball.
Dani alves got so much time on the ball because he had messi playing close to him, who occupied 2 players on his own. He doesn't have anyone close to resembling messis style here, so will naturally be less effective. I think he's in for a torrid time here trying to deal with Carlos and bale with Xavi the most likely to help out on a regular basis, Xavi quite simply can't keep up.
Unlike Ronaldinho/Ronaldo and Eusebio?
Ronaldo alone occupied usually 3. Xavi work rate tends to get underrated but in his prime he worked his bollocks off. Not that I'm comparing directly the formations but in terms of personnel I don't think the current setup is less defensively capable compared to the best Barca side (that also included Xavi and Dani Alves playing in the exact same positions as here), right on the contrary. I don't think I'm losing anything in the defensive aspect with Schuster instead of Busquets and Souness defensive game is the best on the pitch.
Dani Alves and Xavi will be just fine and are a proven partnership on top of it.
Very clear how this game will pan out. Enigma_87 will control the ball through the centre of the park. DavidG will move it wide and burst down the flanks.
I thought DavidG might go down that route, but it would need a bit of selling of Gullit as a CM. He can play anywhere IMO but in a draft it might have been a distracting debate from the real selling points of the team - those flanks and the ability to attack crosses.
Just incase there was some dubiety about the winner of a pele chumpitaz battle in the air , his manager doesn't have much faith in him.
I thought the same, that's why I didn't underline Pele as #9 in the OP as I wasn't sure what route he will go with.
In the current set up as Physio pointed you need a focal point of the attack, not 4-6-0 as David mentioned on the last page. In this game you have Gullit and Pele both dropping back to help the midfield of some sorts, it can't work both ways.
Gullit as a LCM would have meant pele and Charles up front, both barely contributing to the defence. This way (assuming I'm in my ideal defensive shape) Gullit occupies schuster, and there's no mismatch elsewhere in the middle.
It absolutely can work both ways, that's what a multidimensional attack does.
Me to Pele- " listen son, you have a free role but make sure some of the time you're playing on the last man , and make sure other times you're picking the ball up a little bit deeper. Mix it up and confuse the hell out of them"
It's not a difficult concept to grasp at all.
Desailly will charge the first ball, while Chumpitaz will mop behind him. His positional sense is top notch, and still @harms pointed some good sources in that game that Chumpitaz game in the air is not bad at all
And we're back to the original point you need a focal point in your attack and in this set up you kinda - don't.
That's not Pele tho:
Watch this one - it's documentary where he talks about himself. Around 3rd minute mark - he says he was not a CF and was the third man in attack - helped the midfield a lot, etc.
Rarely you see Pele playing on the shoulder of the defender.
Pele himself said:
Desailly will charge the first ball, while Chumpitaz will mop behind him. His positional sense is top notch, and still @harms pointed some good sources in that game that Chumpitaz game in the air is not bad at all
And we're back to the original point you need a focal point in your attack and in this set up you kinda - don't.
Your tactics give me the wings when I have the ball. Cafu and Beckham will have time for a quick coffee, a swipe session on tinder and some stock market chat before they are in danger of losing the ball and in that time , boom, pele and Gullit are in the box and there's your focal point.
If we break the pitch into left, right, middle , I'm in complete control of 66% of the field. Given that I've instructed my players to mix it up, it's not hard to imagine them adapting well to the certainty that Cafu/Beckham and Carlos/bale will dominate their respective wings. It's a case of playing to your strengths and your set up lets those players do that, whilst pele and Gullit become " the focal point"
Sure. Would rather get Gullit in midfield and pass on Alvarez if that was the choice. Charles looked very good in this side TBH.
Yep but I needed a convincing midfield in terms of all of them being able to defend, so dropping Gullit wasn't an option and you can't not play pele.
Gullit Van basten was devastating , it's hard to imagine Gullit Pele not being even better.
the flanks are not 66% of the field, so that's an exaggeration, not to mention the latter part - when we're off the ball we will try to get it back as quick as possible. Xavi and Souness are reknown with their stamina so they will press the opposition, naturally.
For one playing with 2 highly offensive and overlapping full backs with Baresi, Vidic and De Rossi - the latter known for pace being their achilles heel would create more chances for me on the counter in contrast to having your attackers come into the box in an already organized back line, expecting a cross to come in.
It should be Pele / Van Basten as again Pele and Van Basten compliment each other close to perfection, Gullit and Pele on the other hand - don't.
As I said in the current formation you're not getting the best of Pele. He was excellent header of the ball, but that's not his main strength, neither he has played as a target man in a formation that has him waiting for the cross to come in.
The only player I really wanted in the reinforcements was rijkaard. He would have replaced de Rossi and the team would have been nigh on unstoppable.
Not going to discuss anything else about Pele as its boring and been done to death. He's pele, he can play wherever he wants in the attacking third and be one of the best of all time. Simple.
I think the biggest difference here is De Rossi, who, IMO would can be singled out considering the quality of the attacker he's facing and Vidic against Eusebio or Ronaldo. The latter is a bit of a mismatch. Both Eusebio and Ronaldo are exactly the types of forwards Vidic would hate to face. That IMO is a clearer route to goal, especially given the space and channels both will be allowed to operate in with the full backs high up the pitch.
On the other hand Chumpitaz is a good match for Pele's ground game, while Desailly is a rock and excellent in the air. Schnellinger in the box shouldn't be underestimated as well, he's very good in the air as well and used to play both as a marker and as a sweeper.
I just see our team neutralizing DavidG's attack better and our attack is able to score more than the opponent in this game.
On the other hand Chumpitaz is a good match for Pele's ground game, while Desailly is a rock and excellent in the air. Schnellinger in the box shouldn't be underestimated as well, he's very good in the air as well and used to play both as a marker and as a sweeper.
I just see our team neutralizing DavidG's attack better and our attack is able to score more than the opponent in this game.
You're shooting into sepp maier, I'm up against Julio fecking Cesar.
I love how you are trying to represent Julio Cesar as some kind of a sheep keeper, but let me assure you he isnt.
At his peak years at Inter he won 5 Scudetti, a CL, 3 Coppa Italia, 1 CWC and has been one of the top keepers in the last decade.
He faced the very best attackers in its era and he didn't look out of place at all. Apart from that he's perfect for the system as well so I see no issue with it.
Well it kinda is important to your game plan as both Gullit and Pele used to share the position you are putting Gullit in, not both at the same time on the pitch. While I can see Gullit playing his natural game here but I don't think Pele is, which is the key to your game.
In an all time draft, he's a horrendous choice between the sticks , courtois got some stick and he's better IMO.
Let's not forget some of that inter dominance came during juventus scandal, had they Been around inter wouldn't have been as successful.
To be honest I could have Steve claridge instead of pele and it wouldn't change the fact that your team gets destroyed on the flanks.
Souness, assuming he's on the pitch long enough, will give away a lot of fouls trying to deal worn beckham and Cafu. That's a lot of deadballs where I'm backing Vidic, Gullit and Pele ( even Bale to an extent ) to get the better of your players. I put the set pieces part in my write up because I see it being an important part of the game. Beckham is the best in history at delivering crosses, and he's going to be playing A LOT of them this game. With Julio Cesar not the most comfortable coming for crosses, you're just hoping that Desailly has the game of his life because anywhere away from him and I have the advantage in the air. I'm backing Beckham to take Desailly out of the equation.
Julio Cesar dealing with a cross
That's way off the mark. Julio Cesar won 5 Scudetti on the trot, he conceded less than goal per game in all 5 season with only 26 in one of them. Won CL conceding just three goals in the elimination stage against Barca, Chelsea and Bayern in a defensive line which is inferior to the one played in this game.
The Juve scandal has nothing to do with it, Italian teams still did well during his time with Milan and Inter winning the CL and Milan playing another final.
Julio Cesar is not as good as Maier in some aspects of the game, but reflexes and shot stopping is certainly not one of them.
Again I think you are exaggerating with those destroyed on the flanks stuff. You still have to capitalize those crosses in the box. Moyes United put 81 crosses against Fulham with the better team and players yet they still couldn't win the game against a much inferior opposition.
That's if your tactic had a target man who is able to capitalize those crosses. Sure Pele and Gullit have the heading ability but that's not the game that would suit them best - especially in Pele's case.
I could give you thousands of examples of top keepers missing crosses like Neuer, De Gea, VdS, Buffon etc. Julio Cesar is not a keeper from 50 years ago, I'm pretty sure everyone knows his ability.
You underestimate Gullit as someone who can only be at one place at one time.
He's what you'd get if Superman, Flash, George Best and Cruyff had kids who then had a kid.
Too soon.
nah I'm aware of his game, as I've said the current set up and role I have no problem with, the problem is Pele with him and the idea behind the 4-6-0 and at those times when both Pele and Gullit are deeper DavidG will have the ball on the flank with no one to cross to in the box.
Too soon.
Well I can't lie. Having Figo on the flank as well felt like cheating in the first 4-5 rounds.