If the likes of McTominay and Fellaini win Mou over - then it's clear as day Shaw isn't putting the effort in, or doing what he is told. That's football - talent gets you so far, the rest relies on the player tuning into the what the manager says.
Luke Shaw nearer to Manchester United exit [The Times]
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Is this a writing competition where the word 'Shaw' has to be used the maximum times or something?
Has it occurred that the manager isn't arsed on him because Shaw isn't arsed himself? I have seen Shaw this season, but he has never shown the intent to make the LB position his own, whenever he played. There were multiple times where he didn't track back enough and got caught out of position.
You cannot be serious.
He is over-weight.
Shows little dedication to his profession.
Does the bare minimum.
Failed under 2 managers.
All managers who have worked with him say that Shaw lacks commitment to his progression.
Even the Caf (who love Shaw, for some reason) admit that Shaw won't play well unless someone puts an arm around his shoulder.
He is a 22 year old man who needs to fight for his place.
He is at MUFC, not at Southampton.
If Guardiola was our manager, he'd have got rid of Shaw on day 1, just as he did Nasri, when he told him that he was too fat to play for him.
If Shaw wants to, he keen tell Jose that from here on in, he will be the guy who trains hardest and longer than any other player on our roster. He can tell him that he will be fitter than any other LB in the EPL. And ones he proves this on the training pitch and by his thinner appearance, Jose will be beaming from ear to ear. Jose absolutely loves hard workers who fight. Lukaku, Ibra, Matic, Valencia, Young, etc - all possess this trait.
If I were his manager, I'd have given Shaw an ultimatum on my first day. Lose weight. Show me desire. Work hard and I will pick you for every match. Show none of these traits and I will make you train with the U18s and at the first transfer window, you will be sold. The carrot AND the stick.
every utd player has put lacklustre performances in at some point throughout this season.
everyone, not just Shaw. everyone.
Jose made his mind up on shaw a while ago, just like he did Miki.
Shaw's attitude is questioned, but has he been given a run of games to prove himself? I'd say no. He gets picked for a game, if he does well he's benched for young for the next game. If he has an average game he gets slated
This isn't entirely inaccurate. Has Shaw been brilliant when given the chance ? No - but he has done ok or good in every match this season. Good enough to be regular ? Maybe not - but better than being a 3-4th choice at left back
Will Shaw be going to Russia for the world cup? Who does England have as LBs? Bertrand? Baines? Utility man Ashley Young? Anyone else i've missed?
hopefully United remove him from the club faster. I cant recall his positive contributions to the club beside negative stories in media. he's done nothing to the club.
Shaw has been decent the few times he played, its not like he set the field on fire. Think about it from other side, is it right to bench Young (who has been much better over the season) to favor Shaw?
If shaw is not putting in the effort(which he clearly isn't) he shouldn't play, and be sold. It's as simple as that. Even if there isn't much difference between him and Young's form this year. Sends a bad message if you have lazy players with half hearted attitude who can still play.
I still think he's class and will prove his worth when given the chance.
If it is I'm afraid to say, you've come up Shaw-t. Better luck next time.
I'll get my coat.
What is the basis for this opinion and how many chances does he need to show his class?
He doesn't really not show it. He turns out performances far better than the dross Young churns out and yet can't get near the team. Whist it's true he's only set the world alight in flashes, he's also performed on average as good or better than the guy who seems to have the place nailed down. That's what the frustrating thing, he might not have a track record of pulling up trees but to me he looks a far better option than Young most every time he steps onto the pitch yet can barely get a game.
So what performances have bettered Young's away at Watford or making the players of the year Salah out of a key game?
I'm curious.
What was special about Young's performance at Watford aside from the freekicks?
I'm curious.
Such a ridiculous level to conduct any kind of football chat on that we just pick out two games in a overly defensive 'big whoop, want a fight about it' way.
Young's performances, especially since the turn of the year, have been poor. Shaw's looked at least as good whenever he's got the chance. One maintains his place, the other struggles to. That's fine but people are entitled to think one deserves to play more than the other.
So you haven't answered my question then? Ok.
I'm a big Shaw fan and saying his performances have been as good as Youngs is ridiculous
Can’t really agree on that. Young’s not perfect, but overall this season, I think his positioning has been better with regards to not giving space to wingers, he’s been equally good on-on-one both ways, he’s been clearly better at playing out from the back and supporting attacks, not good but still better at crosses into the box, as good in the air, and more decisive in tracking counters - this is from what I’ve noticed myself.
Then there is the obvious question: When Mou picks A in front of B consistently, and consistently praises A’s dedication and consistently critizices B’s understanding of the game and tactics - isn’t this a sign that A is probably better at both dedication and tactical intelligence, things I would know little anout as a supporter?
Yes, he might hate him, bear a grudge, not like ‘the boards man’ or be a weak man manager with that kind of person, but does that alone explain it? Unlikely, I find.
Ed. Need to clarify that I think Shaw this season has looked ok to my eyes when played, not bad not good, and Young has looked quite ok + on the whole, nothing very special.
It's ridiculous to say such a thing then fail to back it up with anything at all.
We all want Shaw to succeed but let's not make things up eh.
Whilst I understand a lot of people have had issues with Shaw's attitude or work ethic, and he hasn't lit up anything for us for a good long while, i can't look past Mourinho's handling of the situation this season
Pretty much shits on him from the get go
Then gives him a chance
Shaw gets better game after game, getting into some form
Mourinho sais he's one of the best Left Backs around
Is then inexplicably dropped for no reason
Gets thrown into a game again later on, only to be dragged off at half time despite his performance not even being that bad
Then Mourinho shits all over him again
Sorry, but its been ridiculous regardless of your opinion of Shaw.
Pretty much shits on him from the get go
Then gives him a chance
Shaw gets better game after game, getting into some form
Mourinho sais he's one of the best Left Backs around
Is then inexplicably dropped for no reason
Gets thrown into a game again later on, only to be dragged off at half time despite his performance not even being that bad
Then Mourinho shits all over him again
Sorry, but its been ridiculous regardless of your opinion of Shaw.
I am a big critic of Shaw but I agree with your point. When Shaw was taken off at the half time, many of our players had as poor game as him. And Shaw himself had other poorer games. Taking him off at half time and then criticising him on the post match conference was totally unwarranted.
He is trying to get a reaction from Shaw who strolls around the pitch with his arse scraping the grass ..
He is overweight and mentally weak ..
Young is in the team because he gives his all. Shaw doesn't, he looks in idle all the time ..
I am really disappointed how he turned out for us as I really thought we were nailed on to have a top LB for the next 10-15 years ..
Must be something going on off the pitch. Wouldn’t just bully him like that, surely? His attitude, his desire? Maybe he answers back and lacks discipline?
What do you mean by the likes of McTominay and Fellaini?
Why do people forget that the previous manager also called him out for his weight, but he has shown no desire to lose weight in 4 years here. Forget everything else, without committment, talent had zero value.
And he has done okay whenever he is played cuz we play him in easiest of games yet he hasn't set the world alight. The last time he played, he almost gave away a pen which the ref missed.
And he has done okay whenever he is played cuz we play him in easiest of games yet he hasn't set the world alight. The last time he played, he almost gave away a pen which the ref missed.
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Young's best games this season (and last season for that matter) have been significantly better than Shaw's. Young's average performance over the last two seasons have been better than Shaw's.
At that period a few months ago when they were alternating games, yes Shaw was slightly outperforming Young. As such I personally hoped that Shaw would continue to get more games. But what you said in your post is simply wrong.
He’s been nearing the exit for so long, is it just that he can’t fit through it?
We should loan him for a season to a good prem club. It allows us to postpone the decision for a season and maybe get a good back up lb for the season after, assuming his replacement is the real deal.
Where for key games, they where picked as their workrate and determination saw them ahead of players that are on paper much better technically. They earned their place and proved it to Jose. Something Shaw clearly hasn’t
Young has done well in games granted, but he isn't a LB.
So I would favour the LB personally but can see the logic in your point.
In the games shaw has done well or even average, he's always dropped without question, if young has a similar level of performance he is likely to retain his spot. It's just Jose's preference.
I rate shaw, I want him to do well here and firmly believe he could be our LB for years. But Jose doesn't and that's all that matters ultimately
Don't know if you can read too much into it but, I remember on two occasions last year where Wayne Rooney, lost the head with him twice in a match, over not overlapping and not defending properly.
I then recall, when he got injured towards the end of last season, Rooney's reaction was something along the lines of
As for Shaw, he's alright. Not great but, not shit. Something though is clearly a miss when worse players than him are getting chances ahead of him
I then recall, when he got injured towards the end of last season, Rooney's reaction was something along the lines of
As for Shaw, he's alright. Not great but, not shit. Something though is clearly a miss when worse players than him are getting chances ahead of him
None of us will be privvy to what goes on in the dressing room or the manager's office in situations like this. Maybe that performance was where Jose was looking at him to step up as some of his team mates let him down but he didn't. I don't think any United fan wants a young kid to fail when they come to our club or through the ranks. He came with a lot of hype and looked the what we needed. As many have said though, he just doesn't show it. Even if he was a typical teenage footballer who showed some very poor games, some average and some worldies and his consistency grew then that would be acceptable. He never seem's to kick on and I don't blame Jose for that. All the ability in the world counts for nothing if your attitude doesn't match it. Ronaldo / Morrison as an example.
I’ve never seen him be anything other than bang average at best for us. Most of the time he has played he has either been rubbish or invisible.
People talking abou him being a great talent and potential to be one of the leagues best full backs, I just do not see it.
People talking abou him being a great talent and potential to be one of the leagues best full backs, I just do not see it.
This and the answer to that is hype.
We had a similar situation with Fabio Da Silva who many rated simply because some random guy said that he's actually better then his brother. The boy was hyped to the ridiculous while spending most of his career with us either on the bench or in the treatment room. These days he's playing in the Championship
Going into the last year of his contract?
No loss at all. How many games has he started? Must be less than 10. Wont be missed at all if he leaves, and I am sure we will replace him. As long as Mou doesnt sign another 28/29 year old I will be happy
Well no, his performances haven't been better than Young's. He's been at the club four years now without impressing much. Time to get an upgrade and get tid.
Exactly this. Like Cleverley's his short run of good games an age ago, got overrated to the point that he needs time forever and will become a top player. An extremely average player who will struggle to be a starter for a consistent amount of time in any top half team.
Suspect he'll leave on a free at the end of his contract, don't think we'll be able to sell him due to the wages he's on.
Think Shaw's got bigger mental issues than him simply lacking fitness. Says a lot if we can't shift him in the summer, even on loan.