It’s just a shame he was finished too.
Luke Shaw interview post Wolves defeat
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Is this Luke's Roy Keane moment. 
Said what many of us are thinking.
I agree we need Muff right now.
Two massive issues for us.
First one is our midfield is one of the weakest in the entire league. An aging Matic, McTominay and Fred is a ridiculous midfield to have when you want to challenge for top honours.
Secondly, too many players just don't seem bothered.
First one is our midfield is one of the weakest in the entire league. An aging Matic, McTominay and Fred is a ridiculous midfield to have when you want to challenge for top honours.
Secondly, too many players just don't seem bothered.
this interview was needed; he’s calling teammates out without naming them.
he’s right that Ralf could bring more, he hasn’t had much time to do anything. AWB, Matic we’re awful. The worst two players for me
They were playing poorly, no doubt about that, but they didn't down tools on him is what I meant.
These performances look exactly like a team that has downed tools.
Hmm the full thing isn't as bad as I was expecting...its not great to hear by any means, but this season they have been battered by soo many teams it must be confusing to not know what to do at times.
I wouldn't say anyone was taking liberties on the pitch either today, they all seems to be trying (maybe not killing themselves but still they tried)
I would go with the 'back to basics' approach, pack the midfield and ask them to run like mad.
I wouldn't say anyone was taking liberties on the pitch either today, they all seems to be trying (maybe not killing themselves but still they tried)
I would go with the 'back to basics' approach, pack the midfield and ask them to run like mad.
This lot aren't going to listen to Ralf and his MLS coaches, they think they are better than it and know there will be someone different at the end of the season anyway. We're in trouble.
We are absolutely fecked.
Looked very clear to me that he was either told to play as an extra centreback or not get forwards....I mean the fact Sancho was taking the throw ins was a dead give away.
And I'm sorry but regardless of what he said there's no way to get around that being completely idiotic management.
We already had one extra centreback in Matic and two out and out strikers not occupying the middle third so it's no surprise at all there were no passing options. That only leaves Greenwood, Mctominay and Sancho as forward passing options so Wolves could man mark both our strikers, have a sweeper as an insurance policy and still have 7 players spare to cut out a maximum of 3 passing options. Then when we eventually made a sub we took the only remotely effective one of the three off
If that had been Ole it would have been up there as possibly the dumbest thing he'd done.
I actually think it's strange of the players to keep coming out and putting it on themselves as a lack of desire, togetherness etc. You have to give them a platform it's possible for them to succeed on before you can expect them to, and constantly playing without a midfield isn't it. No other professional team would play Matic in a two man midfield and try to just ignore the fact he is too slow to actually occupy the space there.
And I'm sorry but regardless of what he said there's no way to get around that being completely idiotic management.
We already had one extra centreback in Matic and two out and out strikers not occupying the middle third so it's no surprise at all there were no passing options. That only leaves Greenwood, Mctominay and Sancho as forward passing options so Wolves could man mark both our strikers, have a sweeper as an insurance policy and still have 7 players spare to cut out a maximum of 3 passing options. Then when we eventually made a sub we took the only remotely effective one of the three off
If that had been Ole it would have been up there as possibly the dumbest thing he'd done.
I actually think it's strange of the players to keep coming out and putting it on themselves as a lack of desire, togetherness etc. You have to give them a platform it's possible for them to succeed on before you can expect them to, and constantly playing without a midfield isn't it. No other professional team would play Matic in a two man midfield and try to just ignore the fact he is too slow to actually occupy the space there.
No it wasn't whatsoever.
It was a comment at the end of an interview where he basically said that hopefully the managers new ideas would help them get out of the rutt they are in.
"To win these types of games against touch teams like Wolves, we all need to be 100% committed, because we know it's always close games whoever we play, and like I said it's just tough and disappointing but we have time now to refocus back, we got a long training week and maybe the manager can bring some more ideas that he wants on the pitch"
Literally the complete opposite of what you said he said, and it's posts like what you wrote help to perpetuate a narrative about the players and the club that simply isn't true. It also doesn't help the fact posters like the poster above, who don't go and watch the full interview, with the correct quotes, help perpetuate it even further.
Literally nothing wrong with what Luke said in that interview about his commitment or his attitude whatsoever.
Yeah, Bruno puts a shift in. Even if it is a little headless chicken. I’m really disappointed in Sancho’s defensive efforts. Especially as the one player who might have some experience of the football Rangnick wants to play. Mason still has it all to learn and it’s a worry that Rangnick has already alluded to a possible lack of fitness.
Then we have the geriatrics up front. They do run about in fits and starts but it’s woefully uncoordinated and invariably followed by a 5 minute rest to get their breath back.
It’s a really rough situation for Rangnick. Does he stick with his “philosophy” to try and get the youngsters a bit more experience of that system, knowing that it’s going to be dysfunctional? Or try and muddle along with the same system Ole used, hoping the same players will up their game now he’s in charge?
Thanks. That's the full interview? I don't see anything wrong with that. I want them frustrated. What do we want him to say? Certainly don't see any attack on the manager there.
Losing by a big margin doesn't mean the team has downed tools though. It was a mess in the end but the players all seemed to like Ole, some for the wrong reasons but there will have been a lot of players who felt very strongly about him losing his job.
Especially with Carrick remaining behind for a while, I'm sure he let a few know who weren't pulling their weight before he left, a big upheaval/change like this can be a trigger.
Rangnick is saying wolves played with 5 mfs, controlling the game in the middle. Surely he could have seen this happen prior to the start of the match. Surely.
Just watched the interview. Don't think he said anything wrong, hardly controversial either.
I like the interview.
Give me interviews like Shaw and Lukaku's (and De Gea's) all day every day over players who are media trained to within an inch of their life to the point that they've become a living, breathing 'football cliches' soundboard. Even worse are the players who's entire 'personality' is sculpted by a PR team.
Whether you agree with what they're saying or not, it's always refreshing to hear something unscripted and from the heart.
Give me interviews like Shaw and Lukaku's (and De Gea's) all day every day over players who are media trained to within an inch of their life to the point that they've become a living, breathing 'football cliches' soundboard. Even worse are the players who's entire 'personality' is sculpted by a PR team.
Whether you agree with what they're saying or not, it's always refreshing to hear something unscripted and from the heart.
He definitely wasn’t blaming the manager.
If anything it was more a hopeful nod towards Rangnick that he can sort this shit out.
If anything it was more a hopeful nod towards Rangnick that he can sort this shit out.
He said, “more ideas” - this is totally acceptable. He suggested the manager of only a few weeks could offer more ideas regarding a new system the team have been asked to play and you’re judging his attitude!?
If theres splits in the camp going way back it will be ole demoralising the sqaud and forever playing his favourite underperforming players, with the squad knowing who is shit
Like his honesty. After that performance his body language is going to be like that.
As far as I’m concerned you’re either in the tent pissing out or outside the tent pissing in, and the latter group of players need to change their attitude or feck off.
The work rate today was appalling, Wolves looked like they had two extra players. But what do we expect with players so far out of form (Bruno, Rashford) and such a lame midfield? The idea of playing 4 forwards is stupid too and that needs to be sorted out as we are completely unbalanced.
The work rate today was appalling, Wolves looked like they had two extra players. But what do we expect with players so far out of form (Bruno, Rashford) and such a lame midfield? The idea of playing 4 forwards is stupid too and that needs to be sorted out as we are completely unbalanced.
Yes. Exactly that.
I watched the match.
And I have just watched the interview.
And there is nothing at all wrong or controversial about what Luke Shaw said.
In fact he is totally correct.
Sometimes quality is not enough...
We lacked intensity...
We were not all together...
Pretty rare in my view that a player hits the nail right smack bang on the head in a post match interview.
And I respect him for that.
They used to play with three CB's, instead of packing the defence they now pack the midfield, but still have people in there who can spray passes. As I mentioned elsewhere, their performances have deserved more points as they are incredibly hard to score about, create chance, but struggle to convert them.
These guys got the last manager sacked , there still a few who got the one before that sacked as well. We're is the problems.
Oh absolutely. Not a good enough manager anymore but he was right about these players.
We conceded 5 at home to Liverpool, 4 away to Leicester and then lost 4-1 to one of the worst sides in the league. There were definitely issues behind the scenes - I don’t think that issue was Ole ala Jose in that they hated him - but something has clearly gone very wrong since the Leeds game. That’s the most together and connected I’ve seen manager, team and fans since Fergie and it’s been pissed up the wall since. Half of them can barely be arsed to run - and when they do it’s in an individual look at me way when they have zero chance of getting the ball. We’re a fecking mess.
I agree. Its like 'well hes only here for 6 months and ive still go x years contract, and will be here after he has gone.' If were out of the top 4 end of the season RR will be manager again next season. No top manager will come if were out of the ch lge.
Well then the opening quote was clearly misleading, I mean you even quoted it, not like I said he said that. Tbh sounds like a very honest and on point analysis from Luke there.
And yeah he speaks about an important point that I have been raving on about for years now, our off the ball movement is unrivaled in its shittiness, players never move to provide passing options, it's just atrocious.
Refreshingly frank and honest interview. Ole has left an absolute mess. The ironic thing is that Conte is the one coach in the world who could have knocked heads together and gotten a reaction and we let him go to a direct rival for top 4. Cerebral managers like Ralf and Ten Hag haven't a hope with this group of surly individuals. The only way this type of manager will succeed is a complete rebuild. If you ask me the rotten apples are obvious: Pogba, Rashford, Bruno and Ronaldo. Unfortunately they are also our best players and will cost a fortune to replace.
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Yup this is it, that midfield has got us where we are.
Sometimes decent, most the time not. It’s a shame Pogba is such a tosser because when he is on form he changes our midfield completely
hahaha he admits all the things that we agree are bad? yet people are telling him to feck off
People are so strange
People are so strange
Yeah In the first half Shaw was exposed quite a few times because of it, guy had the right wing to himself
I don’t think it was a dig at the manager at all. ‘We have a very long training week, maybe now the manager can bring in some of his new ideas’.
They have 5 days of solid training, which Ralf hasn’t had yet. Everything has been recovery or covid.
OK what's your thoughts on it then?
To me it's more or less night and day difference in the harmony within the squad, not just the performances.
I'm not saying it's a reason that we should have kept Ole. Just that it seems to have been a trigger point for a divide, which is obvious really when every manager has players that are favourites and who are close to them, when that changes there is fallout.
Yeah hearing that when it's only January and Ralf been here a month is worrying
Agree about movement. I always think this when DVB is playing. He gets the ball and then looks around for someone to pass it to and nobody has moved an iota. Also he does a pass and then moves himself into space and they pass the ball sideways or backwards. It has been a problem for years.
Indeed.
And just remember the criticism Jose got for calling out the players who were not performing.
Yes he made mistakes.
But he was not wrong about attitude of the players.
It’s a great interview from Shaw. Rangnick’s interview was very honest too, he admitted we weren’t pressing at all. Think about it. A Rangnick team not pressing! Shaw was pointing the finger at the players in front of him, all of them. They are not playing as a collective. ‘Quality’ or not they are not playing to the system. Serious problems with that group IMO.