[lsd]

Was awful and out of shape his first season.. Second season had a good run of maybe ten games and looked sharp them broke his leg .. Since then when he had played has been the same as his first season ..

Failing to see why he should be first choice

 

[sizzling sausages]

Probably that he's working harder than needs be to not only impress management, but to get back to his best. I think it's nice to see.

Or maybe he's just slower walking off than the others because of all that fat he's carrying.

 

[sunama]

The writing is on the wall for Shaw. I think he is done.

And Mourinho claims he [Shaw] compares unfavourably to fellow defenders Ashley Young, Matteo Darmian and Daley Blind.

"I cannot compare the way he trains and commits, the focus, the ambition. He is a long way behind," he said.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/39474472

 

[Keeps It tidy]

There are some players who had some great careers who were still playing B team Football at 21.

 

[Francoruud]

Interesting to see opinions in here on Shaw. I feel bad for him. I will say this reminds me a lot of De Bruyne's situation at Chelsea. Not sure I believe Jose on this one. I think Shaw is going to have a great career at another club. Perhaps he needs to go on loan outside England rather than United just selling him outright?

 

[hellohello]

At 80k he would be one of Spurs top earners so I'd probably rule that out immediately. Having said that, I wouldn't be against us taking a chance on him due to his previous links with our manager

Doesn't he only have a year left on his contract? If so I could see him leaving, and having to accept a lower wage. With his limited playing time and huge question marks I don't see many teams lining up to give him a lucrative deal.

Would be happy to have him at Spurs if Pochettino wants to have him in the squad and believes to be able to get the best out of him. Plenty of games next season, and Rose can't play them all (and Davis, despite being a decent player haven't been exceptional for us this season).

Think it's unlikely to happen, but the contract situation, recent quotes from Mourinho and previous links with Poch makes it possible imo.

 

[roonster09]

Doesn't he only have a year left on his contract? If so I could see him leaving, and having to accept a lower wage. With his limited playing time and huge question marks I don't see many teams lining up to give him a lucrative deal.

Would be happy to have him at Spurs if Pochettino wants to have him in the squad and believes to be able to get the best out of him. Plenty of games next season, and Rose can't play them all (and Davis, despite being a decent player haven't been exceptional for us this season).

Think it's unlikely to happen, but the contract situation, recent quotes from Mourinho and previous links with Poch makes it possible imo.

He has contact till 2018 with option to extend by 1 year.

 

[hellohello]

He has contact till 2018 with option to extend by 1 year.

Ah okay, so the club has the option to extend, if anything for leverage to get a fee or not sell to a rival etc., although maybe Mourinho would be happy to free up a spot in the squad at this point, - and would accept a decent offer (no idea about what sum that might be in this current climate).

 

[roonster09]

Ah okay, so the club has the option to extend, if anything for leverage to get a fee or not sell to a rival etc., although maybe Mourinho would be happy to free up a spot in the squad at this point, - and would accept a decent offer (no idea about what sum that might be in this current climate).

I dont think he will be sold.

 

[hellohello]

I dont think he will be sold.

Maybe he won't, but if so he'll probably need to start producing soon. Maybe he'll have a good preseason and be first choice next year and get a new contract, could happen. But to me it looks like time is running out, and that a change of scenery might be what he and the club needs, sometimes things don't work out for whatever reason.

 

[devilish]

The English Fabio Da Silva. He is magnificent off the pitch

 

[Sepukku]

Obviously Jose is talking shit. People of this thread know better.

 

[Womp]

The English Fabio Da Silva. He is magnificent off the pitch

At least Fabio had cute curly hair tbf.

 

[Hemil]

Can't believe people are actually thinking Jose is right here. He has done this countless times before also. He doesn't have the patience to let a young player grow into the team. And Shaw is one who he already has had a grudge as he chose to move to United over Chelsea for money ( as per Jose himself in 2014). Shaw will be sold in the summer and I have no doubt in his talent that he will go on yo be a very good player at his next club like Schneiderlein.

 

[Womp]

Can't believe people are actually thinking Jose is right here. He has done this countless times before also. He doesn't have the patience to let a young player grow into the team. And Shaw is one who he already has had a grudge as he chose to move to United over Chelsea for money ( as per Jose himself in 2014). Shaw will be sold in the summer and I have no doubt in his talent that he will go on yo be a very good player at his next club like Schneiderlein.

Explains why Rashford, Martial, Lingard etc. have played heaps of games despite being poor for the majority of this season. It has nothing to do with Shaw's age, it's got to do with his commitment, if he gave a shite about his age, or held a grudge he would have gotten rid of him at the beginning of the season, not wasted a whole season just to spite him.

He bought Pogba and Bailly who are both young and they've both played just about every game they've been available for this season.

 

[Smores]

If he's not giving it his all in training sod him. Do feel for him with his injury but you have to win your opportunities in training

 

[roonster09]

Maybe he won't, but if so he'll probably need to start producing soon. Maybe he'll have a good preseason and be first choice next year and get a new contract, could happen. But to me it looks like time is running out, and that a change of scenery might be what he and the club needs, sometimes things don't work out for whatever reason.

It's a shame how this is turning out but I don't think club will sell him. He is just 21 and has plenty of years left in him, Jose was also big fan of Shaw and I'm sure he will be back in the first team.

Can't believe people are actually thinking Jose is right here. He has done this countless times before also. He doesn't have the patience to let a young player grow into the team. And Shaw is one who he already has had a grudge as he chose to move to United over Chelsea for money ( as per Jose himself in 2014). Shaw will be sold in the summer and I have no doubt in his talent that he will go on yo be a very good player at his next club like Schneiderlein.

Can't believe people still fall for this myth. So Jose holds grudge for rejecting Chelsea move? Did the same thing happen to Mata also? This is not kindergarten stuff to hold grudge when the job is on line. He expects players to be mentally strong and Shaw at the moment isn't ,Your "He doesn't have patience with young players' points falls flat on the ground when players like Bailly, Rashford, Martial are playing so many games and everyone is younger or just year older than Shaw.

Explains why Rashford, Martial, Lingard etc. have played heaps of games despite being poor for the majority of this season. It has nothing to do with Shaw's age, it's got to do with his commitment, if he gave a shite about his age, or held a grudge he would have gotten rid of him at the beginning of the season, not wasted a whole season just to spite him.

He bought Pogba and Bailly who are both young and they've both played just about every game they've been available for this season.

Exactly. Bailly is just year older than Shaw and he is played everytime he is available. Rashford, Martial and to an extent Lingard are all young players and all are getting so many games.

Grudge on shaw because he turn down Chelsea

 

[MAME DIOUF 32]

He can't be a worse option than Darmian, so clearly a point's being made here. I hope it's with a view to bringing him back in. I still think he's our best left back but if he's not training properly then Jose has to take action.

 

[NinjaFletch]

If Jose was the first person to question Shaw then his fans on here might have a point but our last two managers have both made a point of calling him out.

 

[Adisa]

A fecking shame how this transfer has turned out. All the details have heard about him paint him as a mentally fragile character.

 

[Web of Bissaka]

http://www.teamtalk.com/news/neville-tells-shaw-to-pull-his-finger-out-to-save-united-career

Neville told Press Association Sport: “If I was Luke Shaw, I wouldn’t be looking to get out of Manchester United.

“I’d be looking at that situation thinking that on Saturday (Mourinho) played Ashley Young at left-back, that he has been playing Matteo Darmian at left-back, Marcos Rojo, Daley Blind. These are players who are not out-and-out left-backs.

“So rather than thinking ‘the manager doesn’t rate me’, I’d be thinking ‘I have to pull my finger out here’ and think the opportunity in front of me is absolutely huge, to be the number one left-back at one of the biggest clubs in the world.

“Something has to change for Luke Shaw, because someone with that ability has got to be England and Man United’s number one left-back, and if he’s not, then there is something fundamentally wrong.

“The comments coming from Jose Mourinho suggest there may be an attitude problem or a professionalism problem, and if that is the case, this could be the kick up the backside he needs.

“He needs to probably take a long hard look at himself and realise the opportunity that is in front of him.

“In life, you only get one opportunity at a club like Manchester United, and if you don’t grasp that opportunity, you end up being sold and going maybe back to (Shaw’s previous club) Southampton, thinking ‘should have, would have, could have’.

“I think it is at that point now for Luke Shaw where it is time to deliver and become the player that I believe he can become.

“Because I watched him pre-Manchester United and I thought he looked like a Manchester United number one left-back. He was a sensational player, and can still be a sensational player.

“But there is obviously something not quite right with him at this moment in time and I find it sad.”

Neville's response.... we all are sad .

There are those among us who blame Mourinho for this... finding no faults in Shaw.

and those who gave up wanting Shaw gone... yet worried he'll turn world class in different club.

and those who still have diminishing hope of Shaw will rise up and deliver this season.

Come on Luke Shaw!

 

[Devil81]

Seen him yesterday with his girlfriend in Tesco Altrincham, pointed him out to my missus and the first thing she said was he was big for a footballer.

I've also just heard Dean Ashton questioning his conditioning on Talkshite.

 

[iKeano]

Eamon Dunphy once famously stopped the VT showing a clip of John Hartson after he signed for Celtic and said "That is not the arse of a £7m player"!
As unorthodox as Dunphy's comment was, everyone watching knew what he meant. Thing is, Big Bad John used it to his advantage as only strikers can.

I have yet to see Shaw and not have Dunphy's words echoing around my empty head. He came to Old Trafford overweight & despite being brutally unlucky with the leg break when he'd worked hard all summer to get in shape (not that a professional athlete should have to put in extra work to 'get in shape'!) Since then, by all accounts he lives with his mates, gets chaufer driven by his friend 'cause he can't drive and is essentially just a rich kid.

No doubt he has bags of talent & I wish it had worked, but it's a worrying picture of what could become for young players. Too much too young. Teenage millionaires with fast cars and luxury houses with no further ambition.

We all know what Fergie did when a certain youth player with bags of talent didn't have the proper attitude. Utd run the risk of having a litany of players that 'might come good' - we already have way too many of them on the books. As GNev said, if this isn't the kick into action Shaw needs, then he should rightly be shipped back to Southampton where he can live out his days in a Matt Le Tissier 'Big fish in a small pond' existence. Literally.

 

[Adisa]

He signed for one of the biggest clubs in the world, overweight and out of shape. That clearly indicates something is wrong with his application. I am still hopeful he can turn it around but everything I've heard about him suggests he's mentally fragile.

 

[SkeppyRed]

Can we please get a LB in who has a winning mentality and doesn't need to be mollycoddled into putting the effort in.

 

[sunama]

Interesting to see opinions in here on Shaw. I feel bad for him. I will say this reminds me a lot of De Bruyne's situation at Chelsea. Not sure I believe Jose on this one. I think Shaw is going to have a great career at another club. Perhaps he needs to go on loan outside England rather than United just selling him outright?

Did De Bryne have 3 "nothing" seasons?
People forget that at 21 (which Shaw is), he should be getting first team football all the time.
If a player at 21 isn't getting first team football, he probably won't amount to much.
Lukaku and Kane for example, were scoring lots of goals for their clubs, at that age and were already 2 of the most prolific strikers in the league.

...and given Shaw's size, he isn't a late developer. In fact, I'd say he is built in the Rooney mould, where he got big (and matured) at an early age.

Can we please get a LB in who has a winning mentality and doesn't need to be mollycoddled into putting the effort in.

This sums it up in a nutshell.
At 21 years old, a player shouldn't need to be coerced into playing out of his skin. He should have the drive and ability to force his way into the team and make the manager take notice.
And to think that last season, after his injury, some fans suggested that he was the best LB in the World.

 

[dirkey]

Eamon Dunphy once famously stopped the VT showing a clip of John Hartson after he signed for Celtic and said "That is not the arse of a £7m player"!
As unorthodox as Dunphy's comment was, everyone watching knew what he meant. Thing is, Big Bad John used it to his advantage as only strikers can.

I have yet to see Shaw and not have Dunphy's words echoing around my empty head. He came to Old Trafford overweight & despite being brutally unlucky with the leg break when he'd worked hard all summer to get in shape (not that a professional athlete should have to put in extra work to 'get in shape'!) Since then, by all accounts he lives with his mates, gets chaufer driven by his friend 'cause he can't drive and is essentially just a rich kid.

No doubt he has bags of talent & I wish it had worked, but it's a worrying picture of what could become for young players. Too much too young. Teenage millionaires with fast cars and luxury houses with no further ambition.

We all know what Fergie did when a certain youth player with bags of talent didn't have the proper attitude. Utd run the risk of having a litany of players that 'might come good' - we already have way too many of them on the books. As GNev said, if this isn't the kick into action Shaw needs, then he should rightly be shipped back to Southampton where he can live out his days in a Matt Le Tissier 'Big fish in a small pond' existence. Literally.

What are the sources for this? Very interesting if true.

 

[TheReligion]

If Jose was the first person to question Shaw then his fans on here might have a point but our last two managers have both made a point of calling him out.

I think that's the key thing here really.

You have to question Shaw himself not the manager. I mean the club basically do everything for him; nutrition, strength and conditioning, top class facilities..

If you can't get yourself physically and mentally right in those circumstances with such an opportunity infront of you then there's something very wrong.

I know he's had a horrific injury but look at Antonio Valencia and how he focused, trained like a beast and came back stronger. Yes Shaw is younger but he should be chomping at the bit to knuckle down and be the number one full back at the club. I mean if playing in the same side as a legend like Zlatan Ibrahimovic doesn't get you going, not even mentioning the club you're at, you need to have a long hard look at yourself in the mirror.

Come on Luke.

 

[Isotope]

Like Nev said, it's really sad. He's nailed on to become United and England LB for another decade, at least. He could be even better than Ashley Cole and Irwin.

 

[Devil81]

Like Nev said, it's really sad. He's nailed on to become United and England LB for another decade, at least. He could be even better than Ashley Cole and Irwin.

How could you predict he'd be better than Ashley Cole and Irwin, you're talking about arguably two of the best full backs of all time there.

 

[EyeInTheSky]

Explains why Rashford, Martial, Lingard etc. have played heaps of games despite being poor for the majority of this season. It has nothing to do with Shaw's age, it's got to do with his commitment, if he gave a shite about his age, or held a grudge he would have gotten rid of him at the beginning of the season, not wasted a whole season just to spite him.

He bought Pogba and Bailly who are both young and they've both played just about every game they've been available for this season.

Oh great, there's always one who uses facts, logic and reason to destroy baseless arguments and agendas.

Just who do you think you are??

You must be a pain to be around, spoilsport!

 

[Isotope]

How could you predict he'd be better than Ashley Cole and Irwin, you're talking about arguably two of the best full backs of all time there.

Just based on he's shown so far when fit. I just think that he could surpass those two if he progresses nicely.

 

[AP88]

What are the sources for this? Very interesting if true.

A lad I know is pals with a girl Luke has been seeing for a while; it's true that he pays a few of his pals a 'salary' to live up here with him because he's struggled with chronic homesickness.

He's a superb talent but he seems like he requires an arm around the shoulder and to be built up. For me, that's part of Jose's job, to tailor his man-management to the individual to maximise their output on the pitch. Pocchettino's approach to taking Walker and Rose to levels previously seemingly beyond them is testament to what good individual management can do.

He may seem weak, but after the trauma of the leg break he needed someone to defend his poorer performances while he gets back into the swing of things, not publicly highlight them.

When Pogba is garbage, Mourinho calls him a giant, but when it's one of the quieter lads he throws them under the bus. He's a bully in that sense and is going to exile and waste a lot of talent during his tenure if he's allowed to.

 

[LonelyFire]

Interesting to see opinions in here on Shaw. I feel bad for him. I will say this reminds me a lot of De Bruyne's situation at Chelsea. Not sure I believe Jose on this one. I think Shaw is going to have a great career at another club. Perhaps he needs to go on loan outside England rather than United just selling him outright?

Mourinho is the 4th manager to question Shaw's fitness and attitude.....but yeah, you're probably right it's big bad Jose.

Seriously, take one look at the boy and tell me if he looks like a top footballer. He has tons of talent but zero between the ears.

 

[AP88]

Just based on he's shown so far when fit. I just think that he could surpass those two if he progresses nicely.

Agree, he's got great ability and when fit is possibly the best one on one fullback in world football.

 

[LonelyFire]

The amount who still peddle this "It's all Jose's fault, he doesn't like young players..." is utterly baffling. Then again, I find it ridiculous how many "fans" seem more interested in players than the good of Utd as a club/team.

 

[NinjaFletch]

Agree, he's got great ability and when fit is possibly the best one on one fullback in world football.

That's his problem though isn't it? He's very good one-on-one, but thats about the extent of his defensive ability and the less said about him going forward the better.

He's a player that came with a lot to learn and with a lot of potential and time to learn it, but seems to have fallen into the trap of thinking he's already made it.

 

[LonelyFire]

A lad I know is pals with a girl Luke has been seeing for a while; it's true that he pays a few of his pals a 'salary' to live up here with him because he's struggled with chronic homesickness.

He's a superb talent but he seems like he requires an arm around the shoulder and to be built up. For me, that's part of Jose's job, to tailor his man-management to the individual to maximise their output on the pitch. Pocchettino's approach to taking Walker and Rose to levels previously seemingly beyond them is testament to what good individual management can do.

He may seem weak, but after the trauma of the leg break he needed someone to defend his poorer performances while he gets back into the swing of things, not publicly highlight them.

When Pogba is garbage, Mourinho calls him a giant, but when it's one of the quieter lads he throws them under the bus. He's a bully in that sense and is going to exile and waste a lot of talent during his tenure if he's allowed to.

You don't see them training every day, therefore, you're missing a number of key factors in the discussion. When it comes to Shaw, his application and attitude was questioned long before Mourinho showed up. It's clear he has problems.

 

[Terminator]

And what is this rubbish article going on about 4 managers criticizing Shaws attitude?

2 of them speak about the 2014 summer when he was overweight and Pochettino does not even say anything about him. No one criticized his attitude or commitment. In fact, Van Gaal even praised Shaws attitude for the work he put in a month later. Stop believing every headline you see.

 

[Trequartistry]

According to the Mail (via UtdReport), Shaw had talks with Mourinho at 10 in the morning after his comments in the media. He's set to rejoin the squad vs Everton.