Lukaku - transfer speculation | Gone

[BluesJr]

Can we just sell him? What does receiving an extra 5-10m really matter? This club is so frustrating.

 

[El-Manos]

His behaviour during this window has been a joke. I’ve defended him multiple times but no tear shedding from me if he does eventually leave.

 

[El-Manos]

Can we just sell him? What does receiving an extra 5-10m really matter? This club is so frustrating.

Do you realise how many Ferrari’s you can buy with 5-10m?

 

[BluesJr]

Do you realise how many Ferrari’s you can buy with 5-10m?

This is a club dealing in billions, not millions. An extra 5-10m isn’t really going to mean anything to us in reality so get it done.

 

[Tom Cato]

Can we just sell him? What does receiving an extra 5-10m really matter? This club is so frustrating.

Excuse me? In what Universe do you occupy where an extra 5-10 MILLION EURO isn't a huge chunk of money?

 

[SATA]

His behaviour during this window has been a joke. I’ve defended him multiple times but no tear shedding from me if he does eventually leave.

Aside from not training to protect himself, I don’t know what else he did though mate. Seems like he was pretty professional about it and joined the lads on tour. Even engaged the fans and signed autographs even though he knew he’s leaving

 

[SATA]

This is a club dealing in billions, not millions. An extra 5-10m isn’t really going to mean anything to us in reality so get it done.

It does actually mate. That 5-10M could go into the Maguire deal

 

[Judas]

I always thought it didn't matter, but seeing as we're penny pinching these days, seems like it's important to squeeze as much as we can from these deals.

 

[McGrathsipan]

good luck to him - I dont hate him but he isnt what we need.

 

[Eric's Seagull]

This registration argument makes me laugh.
As soon as Lukaku, Darmian, Rojo gets sold, we'll have space.
Time to trim the fat.

Poor excuse for not signing a replacement.
We need a replacement.

When do you think they will get sold?I think we pay such high wages we will find it hard to offload players as other clubs wont be stupid to pay we do. I think Darmian we leave on a free next year. Rojo's extension was a joke and I think we are stuck with him for next 2 years.

 

[FootyGirl88]

Aside from not training to protect himself, I don’t know what else he did though mate. Seems like he was pretty professional about it and joined the lads on tour. Even engaged the fans and signed autographs even though he knew he’s leaving

You missed his last Twitter/ Insta post?

 

[BluesJr]

Excuse me? In what Universe do you occupy where an extra 5-10 MILLION EURO isn't a huge chunk of money?

Not for a club worth billions.

 

[iHicksy]

Can we just sell him? What does receiving an extra 5-10m really matter? This club is so frustrating.

Honestly, I think it does matter in this case especially. Inter wouldn't sell us Perisic and haggled to the death over an extra 5-10mil (and praise jebus they did or we'd have another Jose signing to offload).
However, his market value is definately what we are asking for and we shouldn't be pressured into selling players on the cheap. Something redcafe would, and has, gone crazy over in the past "how do chelsea sell this guy for xx when we sell Jonny Evans for xx, etc".

But what it does is sends out a signal that if clubs wait long enough we'll buckle and sell players on the cheap. I'm actually glad that we're holding out for full value for our assets and sending out a message that we won't just roll over because we're a "rich" club.

 

[DoomSlayer]

You missed his last Twitter/ Insta post?

Lukaku has acted like a wanker since before the Barcelona games.

 

[finneh]

True, but he did that with Mane with two seasons and who'd already scored 10, in the prem and Salah who had scored 10+ for two seasons in a row in Serie A. He also bought the CB last. I actually think Lukaku's inability to hold onto the ball was the real issue, the pressing has only become an issue as we've changed style. I do get the argument the new style SHOULD produce more opportunities, but it's quite a leap and a lot of faith. I'm also not saying us improving = league title challenge, we need to leapfrog 2 teams this season. That's the baseline goal, which requires a big improvement.

We have the likes of Rashford and Martial who've scored 10+ pretty much every full season they've been here, despite often being lower down the pecking order and not played as a centre forward. The aim has to be for them to be targeting 18+ each provided they're playing enough minutes (for Rashford minutes at centre forward).

However the key in leapfrogging Chelsea/Spurs/Arsenal is going to be in the goals conceded column. That's the area where picking up an additional 7-8 points is going to be the lowest hanging fruit.

 

[Tom Cato]

This is a club dealing in billions, not millions. An extra 5-10m isn’t really going to mean anything to us in reality so get it done.

Manchester United is NOT dealing in billions. What currency do you refer to here? We are not dealing in billions in Pound, Euro or Dollar. Nowhere near that number, period. The club is valued at $3.8 billion USD, but the clubs operating budget never sees anything resembling a 9 decimal number.

The clubs revenue for the 2018/2019 season will finally eclipse £600 million. In the 2017/2018 fiscal year the clubs total turnover came in at £590 million. Our wage bill sits at around 50%(!!) of our total turnover at £296 MILLION pounds.

The club posted a net profit last year of £26 million pounds.

The club pays out £22 million or so yearly in shareholder dividends that is split among the clubs eligible shareholders, of course the majority of this goes to team Glazer. Man United is a tradeable company, the entire reason they exist in this form is to turn a shareholder profit and grow in value for a future sale.

5-10 million extra euro for a player sale is net profit.

What you just wrote, is that a number thats between £4.4 million and £8.9 million (rounded up) of a player sale, accounting for between 11%~ and 23.1%~ of the clubs total surplus is no big deal.

Everyone have gotten so numb to the numbers being thrown around that most people forget that sales are profit, and they make up a substantial percentage of the clubs profitable or re-investable revenue.

So while I get that it doesnt sound much, the numbers are in truth astronomical and Ed Woodward would not be worth his salary if he let Lukaku go for anything under acceptable market valuation.

 

[dev1l]

 

[ottosec]

Who are we going to replace him with? The fat guy from Spain?

 

[BluesJr]

Who are we going to replace him with? The fat guy from Spain?

Should be Dybala but this club isn’t focused enough to make that happen.

 

[iammemphis]

It does actually mate. That 5-10M could go into the Maguire deal

Would you rather we hold on to Lukaku and not get Maguire because we want an extra £5mill on a £70m transfer?

 

[Lash]

We have the likes of Rashford and Martial who've scored 10+ pretty much every full season they've been here, despite often being lower down the pecking order and not played as a centre forward. The aim has to be for them to be targeting 18+ each provided they're playing enough minutes (for Rashford minutes at centre forward).

However the key in leapfrogging Chelsea/Spurs/Arsenal is going to be in the goals conceded column. That's the area where picking up an additional 7-8 points is going to be the lowest hanging fruit.

Yeah but you're asking them to double their output, I'm not sure if that can be relied upon. You may be right that we'd only really need to improve the defensive side to jump those two - De Gea signing and getting form back, AWB and potentially Maguire may just do that, I just don't want to be a situation again where we're relying on not conceding to win games.

 

[flappyjay]

Can we just sell him? What does receiving an extra 5-10m really matter? This club is so frustrating.

Similar to how it matters to leicester or any club we try to buy anyone from?

 

[No Love]

Who are we going to replace him with? The fat guy from Spain?

Too late, he’s recently began managing a side out in China.

 

[ravi2]

At this point, I cannot see his value going up while he is at United, we really should sell him now while he is still worth this much.

 

[acnumber9]

Similar to how it matters to leicester or any club we try to buy anyone from?

Utd want to sell Lukaku though and so far he hasn’t played a minute of pre-season. Leicester don’t and Maguire has. I’m not totally against us holding out for top dollar for players but when they clearly aren’t in the managers plan it handicaps is to keep him. It’s part of the reason the likes of Rojo and Darmian are still at the club. Getting rid of players is as big a problem as getting them currently.

 

[BluesJr]

Similar to how it matters to leicester or any club we try to buy anyone from?

Clubs are far too petty but that’s just my opinion. It’s in everyone’s interest to keep the market moving.

 

[TsuWave]

Can we just sell him? What does receiving an extra 5-10m really matter? This club is so frustrating.

5-10M is a lot of money breh. That’s potentially one or two, maybe even three, squad players wages for the year.

 

[MyOnlySolskjaer]

Bit scared about not replacing him tbh, like him or not he was a goal threat.

 

[Samid]

Ronaldo must be looking forward to playing with this useless lump.

 

[pocco]

Bit scared about not replacing him tbh, like him or not he was a goal threat.

I think we already have. Martial + Greenwood. Neither were considered for that position last season, so that's 2 new strikers in effect.

 

[FromTheBench]

Solskjaer wants to play High press clearly.

For that Lukaku is out of place as Benteke was at Liverpool when Klopp arrived.


Just sell him already. Actually had predicted during Mourinhos time that the next manager will likely sell him.

Hell do well in Italy too.

 

[SilentWitness]

Bit scared about not replacing him tbh, like him or not he was a goal threat.

The fact that you're asking for so much makes me think you'd be serious about replacing him.

 

[sullydnl]

The fact that you're asking for so much makes me think you'd be serious about replacing him.

I suppose the worry is that (given our less than lightening quick approach to making signings) we would feck up and fail to get the replacement in on time.

 

[Volumiza]

Bit scared about not replacing him tbh, like him or not he was a goal threat.

I think it's pretty clear that Ole is prepared to rely on Rashford, Martial and Greenwood to replace him. I'm cautious to believe they can smash the goals in but I'm prepared to be open minded.

 

[MackRobinson]

Not for a club worth billions.

United's revenues were ~600m last year. Nearly 1-2% of your revenue certainly matters.

 

[RedDevilUnited369]

Heard a fan say we should replace him with Wellbeck on a pay as you play deal...

I heard it, don't shoot the messenger!!!

 

[Drawfull]

Manchester United is NOT dealing in billions. What currency do you refer to here? We are not dealing in billions in Pound, Euro or Dollar. Nowhere near that number, period. The club is valued at $3.8 billion USD, but the clubs operating budget never sees anything resembling a 9 decimal number.

The clubs revenue for the 2018/2019 season will finally eclipse £600 million. In the 2017/2018 fiscal year the clubs total turnover came in at £590 million. Our wage bill sits at around 50%(!!) of our total turnover at £296 MILLION pounds.

The club posted a net profit last year of £26 million pounds.

The club pays out £22 million or so yearly in shareholder dividends that is split among the clubs eligible shareholders, of course the majority of this goes to team Glazer. Man United is a tradeable company, the entire reason they exist in this form is to turn a shareholder profit and grow in value for a future sale.

5-10 million extra euro for a player sale is net profit.

What you just wrote, is that a number thats between £4.4 million and £8.9 million (rounded up) of a player sale, accounting for between 11%~ and 23.1%~ of the clubs total surplus is no big deal.

Everyone have gotten so numb to the numbers being thrown around that most people forget that sales are profit, and they make up a substantial percentage of the clubs profitable or re-investable revenue.

So while I get that it doesnt sound much, the numbers are in truth astronomical and Ed Woodward would not be worth his salary if he let Lukaku go for anything under acceptable market valuation.

Good post.

 

[sullydnl]

Manchester United is NOT dealing in billions. What currency do you refer to here? We are not dealing in billions in Pound, Euro or Dollar. Nowhere near that number, period. The club is valued at $3.8 billion USD, but the clubs operating budget never sees anything resembling a 9 decimal number.

The clubs revenue for the 2018/2019 season will finally eclipse £600 million. In the 2017/2018 fiscal year the clubs total turnover came in at £590 million. Our wage bill sits at around 50%(!!) of our total turnover at £296 MILLION pounds.

The club posted a net profit last year of £26 million pounds.

The club pays out £22 million or so yearly in shareholder dividends that is split among the clubs eligible shareholders, of course the majority of this goes to team Glazer. Man United is a tradeable company, the entire reason they exist in this form is to turn a shareholder profit and grow in value for a future sale.

5-10 million extra euro for a player sale is net profit.

What you just wrote, is that a number thats between £4.4 million and £8.9 million (rounded up) of a player sale, accounting for between 11%~ and 23.1%~ of the clubs total surplus is no big deal.

Everyone have gotten so numb to the numbers being thrown around that most people forget that sales are profit, and they make up a substantial percentage of the clubs profitable or re-investable revenue.

So while I get that it doesnt sound much, the numbers are in truth astronomical and Ed Woodward would not be worth his salary if he let Lukaku go for anything under acceptable market valuation.

Is correct.

 

[Mugiwarared71]

Selling this bloke and not signing a replacement would actually signify how incredibly clueless we are as a club. I wold put faith in Martial as our no.1 striker since he is the best finisher in the club but i really do not have any kind of faith in Rashford however to lead our lines and score 20 plus goals i really cannot see that and even if we are going to promote both of them to strikers who will play left wing Sanchez ? we are straight banter club right now.

 

[7even]

Manchester United is NOT dealing in billions. What currency do you refer to here? We are not dealing in billions in Pound, Euro or Dollar. Nowhere near that number, period. The club is valued at $3.8 billion USD, but the clubs operating budget never sees anything resembling a 9 decimal number.

The clubs revenue for the 2018/2019 season will finally eclipse £600 million. In the 2017/2018 fiscal year the clubs total turnover came in at £590 million. Our wage bill sits at around 50%(!!) of our total turnover at £296 MILLION pounds.

The club posted a net profit last year of £26 million pounds.

The club pays out £22 million or so yearly in shareholder dividends that is split among the clubs eligible shareholders, of course the majority of this goes to team Glazer. Man United is a tradeable company, the entire reason they exist in this form is to turn a shareholder profit and grow in value for a future sale.

5-10 million extra euro for a player sale is net profit.

What you just wrote, is that a number thats between £4.4 million and £8.9 million (rounded up) of a player sale, accounting for between 11%~ and 23.1%~ of the clubs total surplus is no big deal.

Everyone have gotten so numb to the numbers being thrown around that most people forget that sales are profit, and they make up a substantial percentage of the clubs profitable or re-investable revenue.

So while I get that it doesnt sound much, the numbers are in truth astronomical and Ed Woodward would not be worth his salary if he let Lukaku go for anything under acceptable market valuation.

Great post as usual Tom but when making assumptions about profit/losses we need to take into account several other factors and estimate the value of success.

As far as we know atm Lukaku isn’t included in our preferred starting line up and his style isn’t optimal in Ole’s new set up with intensive press up front and lots of movements. With that in mind I think it’s fair to guess that his goal production will decrease this upcoming season. Having such a expensive asset on the bench, also a top earner, is bad business both short and long term. So instead of only using financial metrics we should also include his contribution to our results and the expected decrease to his value to receive a better picture of his worth.

From my perspective it’s wiser to take the initial loss of €5-10m when we sell Lukaku, reinvest the money in a player who better suite our needs and as a consequence have a better chance to improve our results.

Example 1. Worst case scenario. Keeping a bench warmer who only score 10 goals over a season.

Lukaku value summer 2019 = €70m + bonuses.
Lukaku value summer 2020 = €50m + bonuses (estimated value)
Because of keeping him we can’t buy Maguire and we end up with similar results as season 2018/19. As a consequence we lose £20m/year from Adidas, we don’t qualify to CL (another loss of £££) and we are less attractive to new talents.

Example 2. Best case scenario . Receive €70+(10m/2020) after selling Lukaku.

Buying Maguire €75+15m (estimated value 2020 approximately £60m+ bonuses)
Improve our results 2019/20 and end up in top four.
Keep Adidas deal +£20m
Getting CL money
Our new asset (Maguire) has similar decrease to his value as Lukaku. (Maybe even less)
Better results also gives us a more positive atmosphere. Easier to keep and attract sponsors. Easier to attract new talents. A better chance to improve the quality of our squad.

Nothing is certain in life but for me case two makes more sense.