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There are a few reports today suggesting that he isn't in Pep's plans and is available for transfer.

It certainly makes sense for Gustavo as well with Brazil 2014 just one year away, he won't get a starting position if he isn't playing regular football and the competition at Bayern is ridiculous. Even if Martinez drops back to defence he faces competition from Kroos and Thiago.

Would be a good option for us IMO
 
Kid Cunto said:
Aren't we looking for a goal scoring midfielder?

A non starter.
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Well we clearly need cover for Carrick, probably even more than a goal scoring midfielder.

Gustavo could partner Carrick or replace him. He is a better player than Fellaini.
 
He has never struck me as all that great but why not? Better than signing no one
 
Theon said:
Well we clearly need cover for Carrick, probably even more than a goal scoring midfielder.

Gustavo could partner Carrick or replace him. He is a better player than Fellaini.
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That remains to be seen. Gustavo looks like your average holding midfield player - helped by the fact that he plays in an outstanding team with top class players every where else on the park. Fellaini meanwhile plays out of position in a side made of middling to average PL players - and stands out as one of the better players in the PL. Not sure how you can compare the two.
 
RedRover said:
That remains to be seen. Gustavo looks like your average holding midfield player - helped by the fact that he plays in an outstanding team with top class players every where else on the park. Fellaini meanwhile plays out of position in a side made of middling to average PL players - and stands out as one of the better players in the PL. Not sure how you can compare the two.
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You could find distinctions in virtually any comparison.

Watching the players is enough to make a judgement on who you think is better. I'm actually one of few pro Fellaini posters on the Caf, but I wouldn't say he is better than Gustavo.

And for some reason you are ignoring the rest of Fellaini's Everton career pre-2012/13, he has played in a holding role before so its not as if the judgement is being made blind.
 
Kid Cunto said:
Aren't we looking for a goal scoring midfielder?

A non starter.
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We're after a DM aswell..

Personally, Fellaini ticks all the boxes for me. He's a cnut to play against & thats the type of cnut we need in CM..

We wouldnt know what to expect from Gustavo (different country & all that jazz), but with Fellaini we would & he'd settle very quickly too, as he actually lives in Manchester anyway..
 
Red Hand Devil said:
We're after a DM aswell..

Personally, Fellaini ticks all the boxes for me. He's a cnut to play against & thats the type of cnut we need in CM..

We wouldnt know what to expect from Gustavo (different country & all that jazz), but with Fellaini we would & he'd settle very quickly too, as he actually lives in Manchester anyway..
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He's a better passer and far more skilful than Fellaini and has far more experience of actually playing in central midfield with defensive responsibilities. Less physical presence, more intelligence and technique. Personally I believe that's the route we should go down; signing a big spoiler who's good for nothing but breaking up the play will not allow us to go toe-to-toe against other big clubs, it would merely give us a better chance of parking the bus successfully against them.

I'm not saying Luiz Gustavo is the answer but that type of player would be much better than Fellaini.
 
I'd say Gustavo is a more limited player than Fellaini personally. Definitely think he's better though. Contract expires in 2015 and I know Bayern fans are worried he might leave. Not sure Manchester would be his first choice though.
 
Siorac said:
He's a better passer and far more skilful than Fellaini and has far more experience of actually playing in central midfield with defensive responsibilities. Less physical presence, more intelligence and technique. Personally I believe that's the route we should go down; signing a big spoiler who's good for nothing but breaking up the play will not allow us to go toe-to-toe against other big clubs, it would merely give us a better chance of parking the bus successfully against them.

I'm not saying Luiz Gustavo is the answer but that type of player would be much better than Fellaini.
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I would rather Ramires than Gustavo.
 
Brwned said:
I'd say Gustavo is a more limited player than Fellaini personally. Definitely think he's better though. Contract expires in 2015 and I know Bayern fans are worried he might leave. Not sure Manchester would be his first choice though.
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How is he more limited? If you mean that we couldn't stick him up front as a target man when we desperately need a goal then I agree; he's less versatile in this sense.
 
He's actually not bad. Just more of a safe passer than someone who's going to open the door and push, so as what people like to call a 'squad' player then I suppose it'd be a relatively decent transfer at up to say £15m.

On the face of it I'm sure you guys will have him down as some sort of defensive genius, but the Bayern unit of last season was the defensive genius as a whole...can't say I saw anything spectacular or ground breaking in that respect.

Saying that, the way Pep made sure Keita got games has me thinking Gustavo will carry on there and be that player filling in when needed.
 
Basically Brazil's new Gilberto. He's a very good player, but I don't think he's the primary, creative type we need - and he's not going to come here as backup to Carrick.

I love his pace though.
 
Siorac said:
He's a better passer and far more skilful than Fellaini and has far more experience of actually playing in central midfield with defensive responsibilities. Less physical presence, more intelligence and technique. Personally I believe that's the route we should go down; signing a big spoiler who's good for nothing but breaking up the play will not allow us to go toe-to-toe against other big clubs, it would merely give us a better chance of parking the bus successfully against them.

I'm not saying Luiz Gustavo is the answer but that type of player would be much better than Fellaini.
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I havent seen enough of Gustavo to make any real assessments on his overall game, but i agree that the qualities you mentioned would benefit the team greatly.

As regards to Fellaini being a spoiler, he has those traits alright but can also play & his stamina levels are exemplary so he can run all day hunting the ball down for us & thats an awesome quality to have. Wasnt Fletcher called a spoiler aswell? Look how important he was to us before he got ill?!

I say we sign both Fellaini & Gustavo, aswell as Fabregas & Vidal for that other element of Central Midfieldery - problem solved & everyone's happy :)
 
Fellaini is not just a spoiler. I am not sure why people think that, he's good with the ball and surprisingly skilful
 
Ish84045 said:
Basically Brazil's new Gilberto. He's a very good player, but I don't think he's the primary, creative type we need - and he's not going to come here as backup to Carrick.

I love his pace though.
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I agree he wouldn't come here as a back up, but he could easily partner Carrick in a two man midfield. If we were playing Chelsea for example I would much rather have him partnering Carrick than Cleverley or Anderson where we need that extra stability.
 
akash02 said:
Fellaini is not just a spoiler. I am not sure why people think that, he's good with the ball and surprisingly skilful
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We have trouble keeping possession under pressure against the best teams, hence we often end up spending far too much time in our own half against them. Signing someone who would make this problem even worse doesn't make a lot of sense and Fellaini would make it worse as technically he's inferior to all our current midfielders.
 
Theon said:
I agree he wouldn't come here as a back up, but he could easily partner Carrick in a two man midfield. If we were playing Chelsea for example I would much rather have him partnering Carrick than Cleverley or Anderson where we need that extra stability.
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Agreed. One thing's for sure, if we signed him, as things stand, he'd be our 2nd best mid immediately.

I'd be all for his signing. He's solid and quite fast, with decent distribution.
 
Siorac said:
We have trouble keeping possession under pressure against the best teams, hence we often end up spending far too much time in our own half against them. Signing someone who would make this problem even worse doesn't make a lot of sense and Fellaini would make it worse as technically he's inferior to all our current midfielders.
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Fellaini wouldn't make it worse imo
 
Siorac said:
How is he more limited? If you mean that we couldn't stick him up front as a target man when we desperately need a goal then I agree; he's less versatile in this sense.
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What I mean is if I was to call either of them a destroyer it'd be Gustavo. Other than having a better range of passing I don't think he's superior in any way. Fellaini's got the better ball control/touch for my money.
 
Theon said:
You could find distinctions in virtually any comparison.

Watching the players is enough to make a judgement on who you think is better. I'm actually one of few pro Fellaini posters on the Caf, but I wouldn't say he is better than Gustavo.

And for some reason you are ignoring the rest of Fellaini's Everton career pre-2012/13, he has played in a holding role before so its not as if the judgement is being made blind.
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He was a kid playing in a backwater league before Everton. You think that's in any way relevant? I personally would make no judgments on what a 20 year old kid did in Belgium.

Gustavo looks decent for Bayern, but it's funny how people on here every year find some player they rate who plays for whichever side happen to have impressed in Europe.
 
RedRover said:
He was a kid playing in a backwater league before Everton. You think that's in any way relevant? I personally would make no judgments on what a 20 year old kid did in Belgium.
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What are you talking about you nutter?

You said that you couldn't compare Fellaini to Gustavo because,

RedRover said:
Fellaini meanwhile plays out of position in a side made of middling to average PL players
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I am saying that you are ignoring all of Fellaini's Everton career (not Belgium, feck knows where you got that from), where he played as a defensive midfielder.

We can compare them because we have seen Fellaini play defensive midfield, well you apparently haven't but most of us have.
 
And of course Luis Gustavo didn't spend his entire career at Bayern. He stood out at Hoffenheim too.
 
I'd be pretty happy with this actually. Realistic signing, affordable, perfect age being only 25, and has bags of energy. Could replace Carrick or partner him, and is a much better player and fit for United then Fellaini is in my opinion, or anyone else we have. Was impressed with him when he was in Hoffenheim and he's only gotten better.
 
Brwned said:
I'd say Gustavo is a more limited player than Fellaini personally. Definitely think he's better though. Contract expires in 2015 and I know Bayern fans are worried he might leave. Not sure Manchester would be his first choice though.
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Agree with this, alot of people that post on Fellaini clearly haven't watched him enough. He's actually a very complete player, can pretty much do most things on a football pitch but people prefer to just highlight the ugly bits of his game.

As for Gustavo, he is good enough to play for us and if we can get him at a cut price deal, as a backup for Carrick and even as a partner in certain games i.e. if we're trying to hold onto a lead, we'd be so hard to break down with them two as a pairing. At the end of the day we should be looking to establish more depth in midfield as well as add to the first team quality, as we are short of numbers period in that position.
 
RedRover said:
That remains to be seen. Gustavo looks like your average holding midfield player - helped by the fact that he plays in an outstanding team with top class players every where else on the park. Fellaini meanwhile plays out of position in a side made of middling to average PL players - and stands out as one of the better players in the PL. Not sure how you can compare the two.
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So basically Gattuso in Milan's pomp from 2003-2007.
 
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