Luis Nani | 2013/14 Performances

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i still keep the faith he can be a key player for us and always will while he's here.

Should be categorised completely differently to an Anderson
 
acnumber9 said:
It's a sign of frustration. It also wasn't particularly unnecessary. He was acting a tit and the booing prompted him to speed up. If a player came on the pitch and just sat in the centre circle would he deserve support? If people get frustrated they're not supporters?
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Silly post

When has a player ever sat in the centre circle doing nothing? Daft example

Either way what has that got in common with players having an off day, being out of form or making mistakes

Players have frustrated us all in the past - please explain to me how a prat booing is going to make them pass better or improve their performance like the flick of a switch

By definition a supporter should provide support?

Maybe you are a football critic - Nani has frustrated thefans a lot especially over the last 2/3 seasons with his inconsistency - I don't think it's been down to a lack of effort
 
buckooo1978 said:
Silly post

When has a player ever sat in the centre circle doing nothing? Daft example

Either way what has that got in common with players having an off day, being out of form or making mistakes

Players have frustrated us all in the past - please explain to me how a prat booing is going to make them pass better or improve their performance like the flick of a switch

By definition a supporter should provide support?

Maybe you are a football critic
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Your definition of a supporter means they wouldn't be allowed to get frustrated if they did. I never tried to pretend it's happened.

It got him moving off the pitch sooner. Showing dissatisfaction at a man not giving a feck that we were losing is more than forgivable in my opinion. That means I'm not a supporter though apparently.

Maybe you don't understand the emotion a person can go through during a football match.
 
I'm gonna put my neck on the line right now.

NANI IS GOING TO BE PLAYER OF THE TOURNAMENT
 
81 goals and assists in the Premier League for United. 119 minutes per goal or assist. No non striker has a better record in all the Premier League. 1. Nani. 2. Hazard. This includes the past 2 seasons, where he has been injured and low on confidence after being neglected by a Gollum.
 
JefferiesTube said:
81 goals and assists in the Premier League for United. 119 minutes per goal or assist. No non striker has a better record in all the Premier League. 1. Nani. 2. Hazard. This includes the past 2 seasons, where he has been injured and low on confidence after being neglected by a Gollum.
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Facts never gets you anywhere on the internet, it is better to just call other peoples facts pointless and stupid.

On a serious note that is very impressive, had no clue he still had such a good run counting in the nightmare of late.
 
JefferiesTube said:
81 goals and assists in the Premier League for United. 119 minutes per goal or assist. No non striker has a better record in all the Premier League. 1. Nani. 2. Hazard. This includes the past 2 seasons, where he has been injured and low on confidence after being neglected by a Gollum.
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Where do you get your stats for that from?
 
That was very impressive, but its not like we haven't seen this side of him. Of course we have! He scored a very similar goal against Chelsea where him and Ando did the deed, or his 1st again City in the Community shield. However, the problem is, these two goals are so far apart, there is an obvious problem of not being able to do it consistently.

Will Gaal get it out of him? We can only hope.
 
acnumber9 said:
Where do you get your stats for that from?
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transfermarkt.com

9657 minutes played in Premier League, 25 goals, 56 assists

The only 2 seasons where Nani has played 2000+ minutes
11/12 season 2104 minutes played in Premier League 8 goals 12 assists - 105.2 mins per goal/assist
10/11 season 2661 minutes played in Premier League 9 goals 19 assists - 95.0 mins per goal/assist
99.3 minutes per goal or assist over the space of 2 seasons, playing 2000 minutes+ each season

Play Nani for 3000+ minutes next season see what happens
 
Sly said:
This booing and confidence issue doesn´t make sense. As a Sporting fan and season ticket owner, i can tell you that the same thing happened when Nani played for us. Nani was a great player for us and most of the Sporting fans miss him now but i clearly remember him being one of the most booed players. I don´t think it affects him. What affects him is form and a decent run of games, manager trust and things going his way at the beginning of the match.

When Nani gets going, he was one of the best players in our history but since he is a winger and an avid dribbler, he is capable of infuriating even the most patient fan when things aren´t going his way. Nani´s decision making was also a problem at Sporting (he has evolved at United) although he was the player with the most assists. Fans notice his flaws instantly because he was always on the ball and trying to create something.

People were pleased when we did the 25 million deal, the problem is that we only noticed how good and influencial he was for us when he was gone and there was no one left as dangerous and productive to create. Sporting fans also had the same Love/hate relationship with Nani. I clearly remember the epic Nani threads on our forum. Same thing will happen if he moves to Juventus or any other club.
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Which forum?
 
acnumber9 said:
All of Rooney, Van Persie, Mata and De Gea are good enough to start for more than one of those teams. All would start for Portugal. Nani happened to be born in the country with by far the weakest of those squads. It's completely irrelevant as to whether he should play for United or not. Fred plays up front for one of those team
acnumber9 said:
All of Rooney, Van Persie, Mata and De Gea are good enough to start for more than one of those teams. All would start for Portugal. Nani happened to be born in the country with by far the weakest of those squads. It's completely irrelevant as to whether he should play for United or not. Fred plays up front for one of those teams.
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By far? Last WC Brazil didn't beat Portugal and in the Euros Spain beat Portugal on penalties.
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Four years ago doesn't mean much. Two years not quite as little but in the most recent campaign failing to win their group is a better indicator for me. They also didn't win either of the games you're talking about.
 
JefferiesTube said:
transfermarkt.com

9657 minutes played in Premier League, 25 goals, 56 assists

The only 2 seasons where Nani has played 2000+ minutes
11/12 season 2104 minutes played in Premier League 8 goals 12 assists - 105.2 mins per goal/assist
10/11 season 2661 minutes played in Premier League 9 goals 19 assists - 95.0 mins per goal/assist
99.3 minutes per goal or assist over the space of 2 seasons, playing 2000 minutes+ each season

Play Nani for 3000+ minutes next season see what happens
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Can you provide an actual link? Whoscored have him with 14 assists in 10/11 and 10 in 11/12. I know you love their site so I'm surprised you didn't look there. The problem with these stats are they aren't very reliable and they certainly aren't facts. I'd be amazed if what you've posted is close to correct.
 
JefferiesTube said:
81 goals and assists in the Premier League for United. 119 minutes per goal or assist. No non striker has a better record in all the Premier League. 1. Nani. 2. Hazard. This includes the past 2 seasons, where he has been injured and low on confidence after being neglected by a Gollum.
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Sly said:
Don´t know if it´s allowed but it´s http://www.forumscp.com/
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Ok that's the Portuguese forum I use
 
barros said:
Sure but when you say by far.
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Portugal have the handy advantage of the best player in the world in their team. Doesn't make their squad close to being one of the best in the world. It's certainly nowhere near Spain or Germany's.
 
Tibs said:
I'm gonna put my neck on the line right now.

NANI IS GOING TO BE PLAYER OF THE TOURNAMENT
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Portugal aren't good enough for even Ronaldo to become the player of the tournament.
 
acnumber9 said:
Can you provide an actual link? Whoscored have him with 14 assists in 10/11 and 10 in 11/12. I know you love their site so I'm surprised you didn't look there. The problem with these stats are they aren't very reliable and they certainly aren't facts. I'd be amazed if what you've posted is close to correct.
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Each site determines whether a player made an assist or not, in different ways. Transfermarkt have their method, Whoscored have their method, Soccerway have their method. It is the same for ALL players. I used the transfermarkt website. If I used Whoscored or another site, the number of assists for all players would be less, not just Nani as you seem to think. Whoscored goes back as far as 09/10, so if you want to compare players who have played before then, you cannot do it unless you compare from 09/10 to present.
 
This measures goals and creativity from 09/10 season to present for all United midfielders and forwards.

Minutes per goal or chance created.
29.54 - GIGGS - UNITED - 6115 MINUTES - 11 GOALS - 196 CHANCES CREATED
30.55 - NANI - UNITED - 6995 MINUTES - 21 GOALS - 208 CHANCES CREATED
31.51 - MATA - MOYES' UNITED - 1229 MINUTES - 6 GOALS - 33 CHANCES CREATED
32.87 - VAN PERSIE - UNITED - 3123 MINUTES - 26 GOALS - 69 CHANCES CREATED
33.40 - VALENCIA - UNITED - 7683 MINUTES - 11 GOALS - 219 CHANCES CREATED
33.55 - ROONEY - MOYES' UNITED - 2449 MINUTES - 17 GOALS - 56 CHANCES CREATED
33.58 - ROONEY - UNITED - 9804 MINUTES - 76 GOALS - 216 CHANCES CREATED
35.51 - YOUNG - UNITED - 2947 MINUTES - 6 GOALS - 77 CHANCES CREATED
46.86 - JANUZAJ - MOYES' UNITED - 1640 MINUTES - 4 GOALS - 31 CHANCES CREATED
47.06 - CHICHARITO - UNITED - 3906 MINUTES - 33 GOALS - 50 CHANCES CREATED
49.41 - CHICHARITO - MOYES' UNITED - 840 MINUTES - 4 GOALS - 13 CHANCES CREATED
50.91 - NANI - MOYES' UNITED - 560 MINUTES - 0 GOALS - 11 CHANCES CREATED
52.21 - WELBECK - UNITED - 3446 MINUTES - 10 GOALS - 56 CHANCES CREATED
53.00 - KAGAWA - UNITED - 1325 MINUTES - 6 GOALS - 19 CHANCES CREATED
55.89 - GIGGS - MOYES' UNITED - 503 MINUTES - 0 GOALS - 9 CHANCES CREATED
56.57 - VAN PERSIE - MOYES' UNITED - 1584 MINUTES - 12 GOALS - 16 CHANCES CREATED
57.22 - YOUNG - MOYES' UNITED - 1030 MINUTES - 2 GOALS - 16 CHANCES CREATED
60.52 - FLETCHER - UNITED - 5507 MINUTES - 8 GOALS - 83 CHANCES CREATED
66.23 - WELBECK - MOYES' UNITED - 1457 MINUTES - 9 GOALS - 13 CHANCES CREATED
66.86 - VALENCIA - MOYES' UNITED - 1939 MINUTES - 2 GOALS - 27 CHANCES CREATED
73.13 - KAGAWA - MOYES' UNITED - 1170 MINUTES - 0 GOALS - 16 CHANCES CREATED
72.69 - CLEVERLEY - UNITED - 1890 MINUTES - 2 GOALS - 24 CHANCES CREATED
79.69 - CARRICK - UNITED - 9643 MINUTES - 5 GOALS - 116 CHANCES CREATED
83.14 - CARRICK - MOYES' UNITED - 2411 MINUTES - 1 GOAL - 28 CHANCES CREATED
111.4 - FLETCHER - MOYES' UNITED - 780 MINUTES - 0 GOALS - 7 CHANCES CREATED
143.6 - CLEVERLEY - MOYES' UNITED - 1580 MINUTES - 1 GOAL - 10 CHANCES CREATED
221.0 - FELLAINI - MOYES' UNITED - 1105 MINUTES - 0 GOALS - 5 CHANCES CREATED
 
I like Nani a lot. What he can do with a ball at his feet can often times make me salivate.
I think all we need is to give Nani an opportunity to link up with a couple likeminded midfielders and attackers and do lovely short passes and one-twos. I think it will increase our tally of goals and assists and move us towards a more modern style of football.
We have players like that in RVP, Mata and probably Kagawa.
Under Fergie when Nani was in favour, he was given the freedom to roam across the middle and swap wings. I would like to see that happen again.
Nani is definitely two-footed thus unpredictable.
I remember a couple years ago during offseason games in the US we played some lovely short passes involving Ando and Cleverly but it failed to be maintained when the new season started.
Hopefully under LVG we will see more of that type of football, with Nani playing an important role.
 
My fear is that if we assemble a squad that most fits Nani's needs with top class players the reality is Nani will look even worse. He's looked better in his absence because he's been compared to flat-pack footballers such as Young and Valencia. Were we to sign an exciting winger and persist with giving Januzaj game time I'm not sure Nani would walk into that and look any the less out of place than he has for the past few years.
 
Plugsy said:
My fear is that if we assemble a squad that most fits Nani's needs with top class players the reality is Nani will look even worse. He's looked better in his absence because he's been compared to flat-pack footballers such as Young and Valencia. Were we to sign an exciting winger and persist with giving Januzaj game time I'm not sure Nani would walk into that and look any the less out of place than he has for the past few years.
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As much as I like Nani, if that were to be the case I would not argue. It would mean that we had better players than him. In Valencia and Young we do not.
 
Plugsy said:
My fear is that if we assemble a squad that most fits Nani's needs with top class players the reality is Nani will look even worse. He's looked better in his absence because he's been compared to flat-pack footballers such as Young and Valencia. Were we to sign an exciting winger and persist with giving Januzaj game time I'm not sure Nani would walk into that and look any the less out of place than he has for the past few years.
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Januzaj - van Persie - Nani
----------- Mata
Quality midfielder - Quality midfielder
That team can win the Premier League. We have a no10 who is a sub 25 min goal/chance creation and 3 forwards who are all capable of being sub 30 min goal/chance creation. You NEED the Quality midfield to make it happen. At least one of the midfielders has to be strong at scoring goals/creating chances. Both need to be good defensively and attacking. Ideally you want 2 who are strong at defending AND attacking.
 
Nani doesn't strike me as a mentally strong player. He puts his head down very cheaply.

I agree with the notion that he's a confidence player.

He once said that he wants to be the best player in the world and most of the fans said that he could. I don't know if it's a lack of effort.

I think its partially down to his fitness. He has bulked up so much that his agility seems hampered by that.
Wrong decision may be by the club coaches to allow him or advise him to gain that much muscle, his running looks robotic now, it's really difficult to tell what actually has happened to him.
 
Becknaldolencia said:
Nani doesn't strike me as a mentally strong player. He puts his head down very cheaply.

I agree with the notion that he's a confidence player.

He once said that he wants to be the best player in the world and most of the fans said that he could. I don't know if it's a lack of effort.

I think its partially down to his fitness. He has bulked up so much that his agility seems hampered by that.
Wrong decision may be by the club coaches to allow him or advise him to gain that much muscle, his running looks robotic now, it's really difficult to tell what actually has happened to him.
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Have you seen him for Portugal. He is still bloody quick and really agile. I don't think he has bulked up in a fashion which is hampering his agility. I just think he picks up a lot of injuries. Don't know what causes it but his bulking up does not seem to be the reason for me.
 
Becknaldolencia said:
Nani doesn't strike me as a mentally strong player. He puts his head down very cheaply.

I agree with the notion that he's a confidence player.

He once said that he wants to be the best player in the world and most of the fans said that he could. I don't know if it's a lack of effort.

I think its partially down to his fitness. He has bulked up so much that his agility seems hampered by that.
Wrong decision may be by the club coaches to allow him or advise him to gain that much muscle, his running looks robotic now, it's really difficult to tell what actually has happened to him.
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I wonder why that is, even Valencia has bulked up more than usual.
 
Becknaldolencia said:
Nani doesn't strike me as a mentally strong player. He puts his head down very cheaply.

I agree with the notion that he's a confidence player.

He once said that he wants to be the best player in the world and most of the fans said that he could. I don't know if it's a lack of effort.

I think its partially down to his fitness. He has bulked up so much that his agility seems hampered by that.
Wrong decision may be by the club coaches to allow him or advise him to gain that much muscle, his running looks robotic now, it's really difficult to tell what actually has happened to him.
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He still looks quick to me. His issue mainly revolves around his lack of confidence.

Nani isn't the strongest, mentally. We've seen this when he had to play as a traditional left winger during the start of the 2009/10 season and perform poorly at that time. When he lacks confidence and doesn't believe in himself, he doesn't have much of an impact for us.
 
No players perform well if they are lacking in confidence. We started off the 11/12 season playing great football. The midfield was Young - Anderson - Cleverley - Nani. 2 years later all 4 players are hated and fans want them all sold and would be happy for ~£20m for the lot.
 
acnumber9 said:
Your definition of a supporter means they wouldn't be allowed to get frustrated if they did. I never tried to pretend it's happened.

It got him moving off the pitch sooner. Showing dissatisfaction at a man not giving a feck that we were losing is more than forgivable in my opinion. That means I'm not a supporter though apparently.

Maybe you don't understand the emotion a person can go through during a football match.
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No mate - as I said players have frustrated us all in the past - how many times did we curse to ourselves when a Valencia cross hit the first defender or Welbeck fall over after a run

You swear to yourself, you express some sort of emotion, there's a collective gasp or whatever...... Booing is something completely different - it's a step beyond and if anything it is gonna make a player more nervous and make them play under more pressure
 
buckooo1978 said:
No mate - as I said players have frustrated us all in the past - how many times did we curse to ourselves when a Valencia cross hit the first defender or Welbeck fall over after a run

You swear to yourself, you express some sort of emotion, there's a collective gasp or whatever...... Booing is something completely different - it's a step beyond and if anything it is gonna make a player more nervous and make them play under more pressure
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How many players were in the box for all those Valencia crosses? Don't shoot the messenger, shoot the Gollum
 
JefferiesTube said:
transfermarkt.com

9657 minutes played in Premier League, 25 goals, 56 assists

The only 2 seasons where Nani has played 2000+ minutes
11/12 season 2104 minutes played in Premier League 8 goals 12 assists - 105.2 mins per goal/assist
10/11 season 2661 minutes played in Premier League 9 goals 19 assists - 95.0 mins per goal/assist
99.3 minutes per goal or assist over the space of 2 seasons, playing 2000 minutes+ each season

Play Nani for 3000+ minutes next season see what happens
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That's terrible logic, that gets used about Nani a lot. This idea that he would definitely be playing great if only he was picked more. You're putting the cart before the horse. There are obviously good reasons he's only had 2000+ minutes in two seasons so far and no, it's not just because he was injured or Moyes was an idiot.

He's been at United for seven years this week, by the way.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
That's terrible logic, that gets used about Nani a lot. This idea that he would definitely be playing great if only he was picked more. You're putting the cart before the horse. There are obviously good reasons he's only had 2000+ minutes in two seasons so far and no, it's not just because he was injured or Moyes was an idiot.

He's been at United for seven years this week, by the way.
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Hello McFly. Read the post. 99 minutes per goal or assist when he played 2 seasons back to back, each season playing for 2000+ minutes. Think McFly THINK.
 
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