any news on his injury? He can be a big player for us, i was watching the road to moscow dvd last night and he popped up with a couple of nice assists in the run in for the CL win. He is definitely a player i would want in my squad in the run in, i still remember when we went down to 10 men against bayern nani ran till he almost fainted.
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Great comments from him, very promising.
Good lad Nani, time to show it on the pitch now.
Ok that's fair enough, but my point to which people were wrongly ridiculing was that Valencia was more feared and preferred by the general football fan, be they United or other. If its what i've come across then its what i've come across, be it statistically incorrect or not.
Which of my claims are bizarre?
The one where I say Nani isn't world class? The one where I say he isnt poor? The one where I say hes actually a great player? Or the one where I say he can be inconsistent?
If you read match day threads and the like, you will actually find I rate Nani higher than half the people on here, but then there's another percentage which suddenly rates him way too high in the world class unstoppable league, which just simply isn't true either.
I guess that's where rating your own players correctly is nigh on impossible, because when they play poorly you over exaggerate the bad performance and when they play excellent you over exaggerate that too.
Who has been calling Nani world class?
The last person to call Nani world class in this thread was Tomus in November
https://www.redcafe.net/12559928-post9076.html
Which then got disagreed with.
Just type in "world class" in the 'search this thread' bit and the only person banging on about Nani and world class is yourself.
The last person to call Nani world class in this thread was Tomus in November
https://www.redcafe.net/12559928-post9076.html
Which then got disagreed with.
Just type in "world class" in the 'search this thread' bit and the only person banging on about Nani and world class is yourself.
At his very best Nani is world class, there are times that he truly had been unstoppable. Even at his most consistent he didn't produce those performances enough to actually be considered world class.
Valencia and Nani as starting wingers was actually a very good combo in previous seasons, you could always count on Valencia to put in a good performance no matter what which helped to make up for any inconsistencies in Nani's game. At his best though Nani is much better than Valencia.
Valencia and Nani as starting wingers was actually a very good combo in previous seasons, you could always count on Valencia to put in a good performance no matter what which helped to make up for any inconsistencies in Nani's game. At his best though Nani is much better than Valencia.
Ironic given the criticism Nani fanbois like Cina, Orton, IAR and others give him for his opinions on Nani.Who has been calling Nani world class?
The last person to call Nani world class in this thread was Tomus in November
https://www.redcafe.net/12559928-post9076.html
Which then got disagreed with.
Just type in "world class" in the 'search this thread' bit and the only person banging on about Nani and world class is yourself.
Not sure what it means but he's out of the Portugal squad.
I reckon he's going to be transferred to Austria, be all over the papers tomorrow.
Who has been calling Nani world class?
The last person to call Nani world class in this thread was Tomus in November
https://www.redcafe.net/12559928-post9076.html
Which then got disagreed with.
Just type in "world class" in the 'search this thread' bit and the only person banging on about Nani and world class is yourself.
I don't know what search you are using but theres this just the other week and theres plenty of others that are very similar but not using the term world class.
'Your posts are getting dumber by the page Rob. Its not like he is an academy player who just had his first game for United. He is a world class winger and given the form our wingers have been in this season, I would much rather him start over Valencia on the right hand side, if we are going to be playing wingers to start with.'
Also it was more of a thing in the Newbies with the world class bit that sticks in my mind but it was harder arguing there.
See this is what always draws me to reply in Nani threads, I really dont remember a world class unstoppable Nani, and I have pretty much extensively followed all the PL football teams over the past 4 or 5 years that's why I think fans go OTT here.By world class unstoppable you mean like the way the world class players like Ronaldo, Messi, Rooney a few years back, Drogba, Vidic, VDS, Iniesta, Ribery,RVP carried their teams at times and dragged them through games all season, scoring tons of goals or saving/securing well over double figures of points.
I remember a very good Nani, putting in a great performance vs Arsenal and against us once. I remember him scoring a stunner vs us and that goal vs Arsenal and Spurs, I remember him having a great season in 10/11, but I just do not ever remember seeing the Nani that some wax lyrical about here, unless you dilute the term world or top class to encompass more players.
I do however remember a world class Vidic, a world class VDS, and a world class Rooney in 09/10, players like those and the others I mentioned change entire seasons and take games by the scruff of the neck all the time.
In fairness Rob, you don't seem to really know much about Nani considering you still think Valencia was better than him the season before last, which if you ask any single person on here who actually watched every United game that season, would think was mental.
To be honest I'm not sure about the season before last. the season I am thinking of is the one where Valencia scored vs Blackburn from a tight angle, I think it was the last, I know for sure I felt Valencia was better than him last season.
That was last season (2011/2012) and yes, Valencia was better that year. The year before Nani won our player of the season and generally tore the league a new one. That season (2010/2011) Valencia was actually out for most of the year with that horrible ankle injury. He was out from at least September to March iirc.
From the second half of the 09/10 season up until his injury last season Nani was extremely good and very consistent. Last season he started off well but got injured and was out for a while and then came back and didn't play that well. Valencia was definitely better last season.
He was our player of the season in 10/11 and completely deserved it. He was consistently very good and put in plenty of world class displays. He has obviously never been Messi or Ronaldo level good but he was certainly up there with Ribery and the likes. I can't remember specific games from two years ago and I'm not even going to try but he definitely put in some world class performances during that time.
Nani's form can be very variable at times which may account for why some people seem to remember his weaker performances and manage to forget the brilliant ones. (Andy Gray was one of those.)
I also suspect there are quite a few embarrassed defenders, both in the PL and around the world, who have not found his "unstoppable" performances quite so easy to forget.
He went off injured 4 days ago didn't he? Maybe that has something to do with it.
The year before last Nani was comfortably the best winger in the league and absolutely brilliant. He should have gone on to join the top bracket of players outside of the big two and was in that bracket for a season and a half. He was just as good as Bale is now if not better. Many people were calling him our most important player even over Rooney and it was hard to disagree with them.
Last year Valencia was easily better than Nani.
Yeah, it was last season and yes, he was better than Nani.
The season before last was when he lost half a season due to a horrific injury so it's unfair to compare his performance with Nani's (who was a prominent figure and one of the main reasons we won the league). Saying that, Valencia's first game after coming back was Arsenal at home - he came on around 60th minute and was terrific. He was one of our best players in UCL knock-out run-in as well that season.
I can perfectly understand where Rob is coming from, most of my non-United mates prefer Valencia to Nani, or did so till Valencia's slump. Some people can't get over the fact that whether it's right or not means feck all.
This spiel of general fans means little. Especially on here. If that's what you come across so be it. Others may come across something entirely different. Does that then cancel out your perspective?
The others have already responded to some of your claims, namely Hectic. We all pulled you up on your claims about Valencia who has been shambolic this season. The whole time you came across as uninformed. How many United games do you watch?
Nani has been put in some brilliant displays. Two seasons ago, while Wayne Rooney was rediscovering himself, Nani and Berbatov were carrying us through the first half of the season with match-winning performances.
If you don't watch United much, then you won't get a very good sense of how good Nani has been for us. I remember you talking about the City match. But again, you lack perspective. Yes he had a poor match but Nani is one of those players who needs a run of games to get going. There wasn't any of that when he was played against City. In fact, he was coming back from injury and Fergie took a gamble on him because of his performance against Everton. To make matters worse, we started Scholes and Carrick in midfield!
It's not enough to draw a major opinion on a player based on a few games. Otherwise, I would just direct you to his performance against Arsenal, Wolves, Fulham, and Everton just to name a few (from last season).
Nani was amazing throughout 2010. People on here were rightly drawing parallels between that season and 06/07 for Ronaldo, although the way the season ended for him meant that he didn't quite hit those heights. He was excellent, though. Not just for the productivity but some of his performances were absolutely outstanding.
It started with that Hull game in the January of that year. That's probably the best winger/attacking performance I've seen from anyone at this club in the last 5/6 years or so. Again... since Ronaldo 06/07. The ones against Bayern were probably more impressive given the strength of the opposition but that one against Hull was a genuine 10/10 performance. Came out of nowhere and all.
It started with that Hull game in the January of that year. That's probably the best winger/attacking performance I've seen from anyone at this club in the last 5/6 years or so. Again... since Ronaldo 06/07. The ones against Bayern were probably more impressive given the strength of the opposition but that one against Hull was a genuine 10/10 performance. Came out of nowhere and all.
While he played brilliantly against Hull, I think we all felt the penny finally dropped for Nani when he did this a couple of weeks later.
An utterly, utterly absurd goal, almost defies belief.
An utterly, utterly absurd goal, almost defies belief.
The penny finally dropped when he scored from a cross?
That's not a cross. This is Nani we're talking about, he's managed to shoot from more ridiculous angles than that. But yeah, one of the finest performances the league has seen from a wide player, in a huge match, was a bigger moment than an admittedly dominant performance against a doomed Hull City.
Yeah, I agree with that. That was the moment I think when everyone realised Nani had finally taken it up a notch and had a genuine chance of becoming a top player. It's pretty frustrating that he's not one of the best by now given what he was like during that year. He could've done with far better luck with injury during that period.
Nani was world class for a season and a half. he could not maintain it, though. I feel he has been unlucky cause of injuries and sometimes lack of patience by Fergie. But yes, there have been two seasons where he has been the best winger in the League.
He is the most complete attacking player that we have. He is the most talented footballer in our squad.
But Rob, I agree with you in general. For a fan of some other team, objectivity and real data makes more of a difference. In that regard, Nani has not been all that much recently. But I am positive that he will have another good run of two seasons.
He is the most complete attacking player that we have. He is the most talented footballer in our squad.
But Rob, I agree with you in general. For a fan of some other team, objectivity and real data makes more of a difference. In that regard, Nani has not been all that much recently. But I am positive that he will have another good run of two seasons.
Objectively and with data, Nani was incredible for a good 18 months. He's been out with some injuries and hasnt really built up the momentum he had before. In that time Valencia came to the fore on the wing and performed brilliantly himself
Personally if I was a fan of another team, I'd love to see Valencia going down the right trying to cross the ball. I'd soil my pants if Nani was in the same position and cut inside onto his left foot, or put an early ball into the box. Just by his nature, Nani is a far more dangerous player because hes unpredictable, has so many tools and in his time at United, overall he's shown he's a big game player. Not every time - but more often than not over the years he's done something to affect the scoreline. Valencia could play out of his skin and not score or create a goal, Nani can play awful but set up or score a goal. Its just in his nature to be more of a defining player, Valencia more of a team player
Personally if I was a fan of another team, I'd love to see Valencia going down the right trying to cross the ball. I'd soil my pants if Nani was in the same position and cut inside onto his left foot, or put an early ball into the box. Just by his nature, Nani is a far more dangerous player because hes unpredictable, has so many tools and in his time at United, overall he's shown he's a big game player. Not every time - but more often than not over the years he's done something to affect the scoreline. Valencia could play out of his skin and not score or create a goal, Nani can play awful but set up or score a goal. Its just in his nature to be more of a defining player, Valencia more of a team player
I still remember that performance he gave against Bayern (where he felt dizzy before taking the corner). Fantastic stuff.
Nani out for Reading match.
Fergie:
from the official site.
Fergie:
from the official site.
Wasn't a suprise. Fergie has obviously told him to fake another hamstring as he has not signed the new contract yet. When will he learn?.
Couple of weeks... at least he didn't say two weeks. That kind of phrasing is very unfortunate.
He won't feature in the upcoming World Cup qualifiers against Israel and Azerbaijan.
I think he'll play vs Sunderland and Fergie just doesn't want him to play both the Portugal games with a slight injury.
I'm glad its nothing too serious because we could benefit having him out there. IMO he's more of a threat than Valencia and Young, certainly at the moment when neither are in top form, but even when Valencia was playing really well I still considered Nani a step above.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/21873589
Surely they won't go past the mandatory 2 game ban??? With UEFA you just never know.
Surely they won't go past the mandatory 2 game ban??? With UEFA you just never know.
I fully expect them to make a point and extend Nani's ban.
The mandatory ban is 1 game, no ?
Don't think they will extend Nani's ban. Might give SAF one though, or a fine.
Don't think they will extend Nani's ban. Might give SAF one though, or a fine.
What point? They'll treat it as a standard reckless/dangerous red card and ban him for two (or is it three?) games, whether that constitutes as making a point, I don't know.
They'll make a point of backing their referee by clearly stating that Nani's "tackle" was especially high and especially reckless. Well, I genuinely wouldn't be surprised if they do anyway.
For sure, anything less than 3 games would be seen as kind of but not quite admitting the ref was in the wrong and there is no way that will happen.
Yeah, I can see where Pexbo is coming from but I hope they aren't that crooked.
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