Luis Nani | 2012/13 Performances

[Deleted 20801]

You obviously dont read my posts because I stated that I used to feel Valencia was better than Nani, last season, but now I can see how awful Tony is playing, Nani is your best winger, that doesnt mean I think hes any better than I did before.

But that wasn't the issue...You kept making the point Valencia has been awful this season, but kept coming out with reasons why he should start which contradict your point. So Valencia has been awful and Nani is our best winger, but we should go with what's been working best all season which is....Valencia?

I think you should go with what has worked so well for the majority of this season.

IIf it isn't broke, why fix it?

I feel that whats been getting you results all season worked best.

I didn't post in here after the Madrid game out of respect because technically my prediction regarding starting Nani was correct, and i'm sure you were expecting me to post about that. The difference was it wasn't Nanis fault and he was actually playing well until then, maybe I had some kind of premonition that led me to believe that somehow his selection would backfire even if it wasn't really his fault..

Out of respect? Your prediction was correct? Unless you predicted him having a great half followed by an insane red card, you didn't predict shit! Well actually you predicted it would be a terrible move to start him purely because he would be rubbish or to put it as you did, invisible.

No I think he would be invisible for 90 minutes. I think you should go with what has worked so well for the majority of this season.

Nani needs games but to put him out against Real madrid is a feck up waiting to happen.

Ok, yeah I get you, just trying to keep things in perspective for some who seemed to think he should be starting vs Madrid and suddenly was the teams backbone again. I do understand its venting relief after a long time seeing him out, not playing, scoring or doing much.

I would like you guys to keep the English flag flying in Europe so I am really hoping he does not start vs Madrid.

You think its dumb to say starting him vs Real Madrid would be a bad move?.

Living in the past.

Give him QPR, get him games, but giving him Real Madrid would be suicidal at this stage imo.

 

[ItsEssexRob]

I'm going to let you answer yourself.



But that wasn't the issue...You kept making the point Valencia has been awful this season, but kept coming out with reasons why he should start which contradict your point. So Valencia has been awful and Nani is our best winger, but we should go with what's been working best all season which is....Valencia?










Out of respect? Your prediction was correct? Unless you predicted him having a great half followed by an insane red card, you didn't predict shit! Well actually you predicted it would be a terrible move to start him purely because he would be rubbish or to put it as you did, invisible.

Nani being your best winger and starting him are two different things. He wasn't quite as unfit as I expected, but for some reason I felt that starting him instead of using the general team which had you 12 clear in the PL would be a mistake, and for an admittedly different reason it was.

You tell me then if playing Valencia instead of Nani is so terrible why are you 12 clear? Theres no certainty results would have panned out the same with Nani there, even though player for player Nani is better, but only really due to Tonys inexplicable decline.

Last season and the one before Valencia was a far more feared player.

 

[Godfather]

Nani being your best winger and starting him are two different things. He wasn't quite as unfit as I expected, but for some reason I felt that starting him instead of using the general team which had you 12 clear in the PL would be a mistake, and for an admittedly different reason it was.

You tell me then if playing Valencia instead of Nani is so terrible why are you 12 clear? Theres no certainty results would have panned out the same with Nani there, even though player for player Nani is better, but only really due to Tonys inexplicable decline.

Last season and the one before Valencia was a far more feared player.

No, wrong again. You are having a nightmare in here.

 

[Chabon]

Nanis a great player but hailing him as a world beater, and world class is delusional,( I wouldn't even class Mata as world class yet and its not like there's a debate on which one is a better player at present) I for one would actually prefer you held on to him because despite some great performances he can also offer such inconsistency he is often a welcomed by rivals on the team sheet.

Between 2010 and 2011 Nani was remarkably consistent, and the fact that he was on the ballon d'or shortlist suggests that if he wasn't world class then he was somewhere near it. And The idea of a Chelsea fan being happy seeing him play against them is especially weird, he loves playing Chelsea.

And Juan Mata is definitely become world class this season, ffs.

 

[ItsEssexRob]

No, wrong again. You are having a nightmare in here.

Are you a United fan?

 

[ItsEssexRob]

Between 2010 and 2011 Nani was remarkably consistent, and the fact that he was on the ballon d'or shortlist suggests that if he wasn't world class then he was somewhere near it. And The idea of a Chelsea fan being happy seeing him play against them is especially weird, he loves playing Chelsea.

And Juan Mata is definitely become world class this season, ffs.

He was fairly quiet sunday, and the idea he 'loves playing us; is greatly overated from scoring a screamer vs us and having that great performance vs us. The one you're really looking for is Hernandez.

We all have a different definition of world class. I think world class should only apply to the very very best, ie Messi, Ronaldo, Rooney ( although this is now debatable) Iniesta, RVP, Suarez, Buffon, Vidic, Drogba(previous years) etc.

Mata is close, but I'm not so sure I would put him there yet, needs at least one season like this behind him.

 

[Chabon]

You tell me then if playing Valencia instead of Nani is so terrible why are you 12 clear?

Welbeck has been playing more than Valencia, this year at least.

 

[ItsEssexRob]

Welbeck has been playing more than Valencia, this year at least.

Hes an enigma too. His goals to games ratio is woeful, yet hes a player I always think is useful. Just maybe not as a striker!

 

[Ekeke]

Are you a United fan?

Are you not?

Nani was voted player of the season by his peers at the club, the season before last. It wasnt because they felt sorry for him having to watch Valencia be the more feared winger that season. Actually it was because Nani was one of our top top players that season.

Last season Valencia did something similar

 

[Rado_N]

No, he's a Chelsea fan, and the point he's making is that oppo fans feared Valencia more than Nani - which is something United fans can't really properly argue against, seeing as we're not oppo fans.

 

[ItsEssexRob]

Are you not?

Nani was voted player of the season by his peers at the club, the season before last. It wasnt because they felt sorry for him having to watch Valencia be the more feared winger that season. Actually it was because Nani was one of our top top players that season.

Last season Valencia did something similar

No Im not, I was asking him because if he is then he is misinformed.

Outside of the cafe, either on forums or elsewhere Valencia was thought of as the better player, and that goes the 2 seasons at least before this ( the one before that didnt Val break his leg or was that the one before?)

In fact to be honest a lot on here agreed with me when I said that.

This season of course is different because of Tons poor form.

 

[ghaliboy]

No, he's a Chelsea fan, and the point he's making is that oppo fans feared Valencia more than Nani - which is something United fans can't really properly argue against, seeing as we're not oppo fans.

Doesn't mean it's not a load of bollocks spoken by one fan with the voice of millions. More feared .

 

[Laphroaig]

maybe I had some kind of premonition that led me to believe that somehow his selection would backfire even if it wasn't really his fault.

That's some proper KingEric stuff.

 

[ItsEssexRob]

Doesn't mean it's not a load of bollocks spoken by one fan with the voice of millions. More feared .

If you want to believe that Valencia was inferior to Nani that's up to you.

When I saw United teams I saw one player who was a great player one week and ok the next then invisible the following then great again.
I also saw one player who was constantly good every week without being amazing.

Valencia was a real talent, and some of you seem to forget this and base his form on this season alone.

Why not just sell the lot of them and buy back Ronaldo, at least then there isnt a debate about whos better!

 

[Ekeke]

No Im not, I was asking him because if he is then he is misinformed.

Outside of the cafe, either on forums or elsewhere Valencia was thought of as the better player, and that goes the 2 seasons at least before this ( the one before that didnt Val break his leg or was that the one before?)

In fact to be honest a lot on here agreed with me when I said that.

This season of course is different because of Tons poor form.

Just shows how clueless some of you are then. Its not even a debate that Nani was the more dangerous and feared player at that time. He hasnt been as good since that season and Valencia definitely had the better time of it last season. Theres really no need to try and rewrite history, both players have proven themselves and had their rewards internally at the club to show it. This means a lot more than some idiots on the internet, one of which comes to a rival club's fan forum to try and discredit a certain player for some bizarre reason.

 

[Chabon]

He was fairly quiet sunday, and the idea he 'loves playing us; is greatly overated from scoring a screamer vs us and having that great performance vs us. The one you're really looking for is Hernandez

Three goals and two assists in his last six starts against you is not exactly a bad record. Not quite on Rooney and Hernandez's level of Chelsea-bashing, but still, like the rest of the bigger clubs, he tends to show up against you.

 

[ItsEssexRob]

That's some proper KingEric stuff.

It was weird because when it happened I felt sorry for him and I half expected someone to be quoting my 'playing Nani would be suicidal' quote and try and goad me into replying.

I didnt because despite being technically right, it wasn't because Nani was invisible. Quite the opposite, and to be fair he had had a good game up until then!

 

[ItsEssexRob]

Three goals and two assists in his last six starts against you is not exactly a bad record. Not quite on Rooney and Hernandez's level of Chelsea-bashing, but still, like the rest of the bigger clubs, he tends to show up against you.

Besides the Madrid game in which I think he was good in up until he went off, I think hes been so-so in big games for a while now.

The game that sticks in my mind most of this is City away at the end of last season. Everton on the 1st day this season as well although its not really a massive game, but an important one.

 

[paceme]

Nani had like 20 assists and ten goals in 10/11 didn't he?, maybe abit less but it was around that.

 

[Chabon]

Just to be absolutely clear on how good Nani was in 2010 and 2011, I went and checked some figures. In those two calender years Nani started 61 games in the premier league, scoring 18 times and assisting another 37 goals. He was basically the Mata of the time.

If anyone at the time was more scared of Valencia then, y'know, they weren't paying attention.

 

[Amar__]

Besides the Madrid game in which I think he was good in up until he went off, I think hes been so-so in big games for a while now.

The game that sticks in my mind most of this is City away at the end of last season. Everton on the 1st day this season as well although its not really a massive game, but an important one.

Rooney was poor in both of these games too, so that proves that he is an average player?

 

[Giggsforever]

Just to be absolutely clear on how good Nani was in 2010 and 2011, I went and checked some figures. In those two calender years Nani started 61 games in the premier league, scoring 18 times and assisting another 37 goals. He was basically the Mata of the time.

If anyone at the time was more scared of Valencia then, y'know, they weren't paying attention.

That is insane! He need to be signed up on a new five year deal and get on with his game.

 

[shaggy]

Just to be absolutely clear on how good Nani was in 2010 and 2011, I went and checked some figures. In those two calender years Nani started 61 games in the premier league, scoring 18 times and assisting another 37 goals. He was basically the Mata of the time.

If anyone at the time was more scared of Valencia then, y'know, they weren't paying attention.

That's "inconsistent" according to Rob

His mares in the Nani threads are always amusing to read.

 

[Massive Spanner]

Mata is obviously inconsistent too then.

And Hazard and Oscar are just pure shite!

 

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For the record here is Nani's detailed match log for 10/11 and 09/10. Newest matches first.

Match log

[B][U]Date 	Oppo 		Cup 	Result 	Forma. 	Goal 	Assist 	MOTM 	Points 		Sub[/U][/B]
28/05 	N-FC Barcelona 	CL 	L 3-1 	4-4-2 	0 	0 	-	- 		On 69'
22/05 	H-Blackpool 	PL 	W 4-2 	4-5-1 	0 	0 	0 Vote	0 Point 	Started
14/05 	A-Blackburn 	PL 	D 1-1 	4-4-2 	0 	0 	0 Vote	0 Point 	Off 80'
04/05 	H-Schalke 04 	CL 	W 4-1 	4-3-3 	0 	1 	4th	7 points 	Started
01/05 	A-Arsenal 	PL 	L 1-0 	4-4-2 	0 	0 	7th	2 points 	Started
26/04 	A-Schalke 04 	CL 	W 0-2 	4-4-2 	0 	0 	-	- 		On 83'
23/04 	H-Everton 	PL 	W 1-0 	4-4-2 	0 	0 	0 Vote	0 Point 	Off 63'
19/04 	A-Newcastle 	PL 	D 0-0 	4-4-2 	0 	0 	0 Vote	0 Point 	Off 81'
16/04 	N-Man City 	FAC 	L 1-0 	4-3-3 	0 	0 	4th	19 points 	Started
12/04 	H-Chelsea 	CL 	W 2-1 	4-4-2 	0 	0 	7th	5 points 	Off 75'
09/04 	H-Fulham 	PL 	W 2-0 	4-5-1 	0 	2 	1st	167 points 	Off 87'
06/04 	A-Chelsea 	CL 	W 0-1 	4-4-2 	0 	0 	0 Vote	0 Point 	On 52'
02/04 	A-West Ham 	PL 	W 2-4 	4-5-1 	0 	0 	-	- 		On 87'
19/03 	H-Bolton 	PL 	W 1-0 	4-4-2 	0 	1 	2nd	90 points 	Started
15/03 	H-Marseille 	CL 	W 2-1 	4-4-2 	0 	0 	0 Vote	0 Point 	Off 61'
06/03 	A-Liverpool 	PL 	L 3-1 	4-4-2 	0 	0 	0 Vote	0 Point 	Off 45'
01/03 	A-Chelsea 	PL 	L 2-1 	4-4-2 	0 	1 	8th	14 points 	Started
26/02 	A-Wigan A 	PL 	W 0-4 	4-4-2 	0 	1 	4th	18 points 	Off 85'
23/02 	A-Marseille 	CL 	D 0-0 	4-5-1 	0 	0 	3rd	44 points 	Started
12/02 	H-Man City 	PL 	W 2-1 	4-3-3 	1 	1 	1st	405 points 	Started
05/02 	A-Wolves 	PL 	L 2-1 	4-4-2 	1 	0 	1st	108 points 	Started
01/02 	H-Aston Villa 	PL 	W 3-1 	4-4-2 	0 	1 	2nd	149 points 	Started
29/01 	A-Southampton 	FAC 	W 1-2 	4-4-2 	0 	0 	6th	11 points 	On 58'
25/01 	A-Blackpool 	PL 	W 2-3 	4-3-3 	0 	0 	5th	3 points 	Started
22/01 	H-Birmingham 	PL 	W 5-0 	4-4-2 	1 	0 	0 Vote	0 Point 	Started
16/01 	A-Tottenham 	PL 	D 0-0 	4-4-2 	0 	0 	0 Vote	0 Point 	Off 61'
09/01 	H-Liverpool 	FAC 	W 1-0 	4-4-2 	0 	0 	0 Vote	0 Point 	Started
04/01 	H-Stoke City 	PL 	W 2-1 	4-4-2 	1 	1 	1st	175 points 	Started
13/12 	H-Arsenal 	PL 	W 1-0 	4-3-3 	0 	1 	7th	10 points 	Started
07/12 	H-Valencia 	CL 	D 1-1 	4-4-2 	0 	0 	0 Vote	0 Point 	Off 81'
27/11 	H-Blackburn 	PL 	W 7-1 	4-4-2 	1 	1 	2nd	108 points 	Started
24/11 	A-Rangers 	CL 	W 0-1 	4-4-2 	0 	0 	5th	7 points 	Off 77'
20/11 	H-Wigan A 	PL 	W 2-0 	4-5-1 	0 	0 	9th	1 points 	Started
13/11 	A-Aston Villa 	PL 	D 2-2 	4-4-2 	0 	1 	7th	1 points 	Started
10/11 	A-Man City 	PL 	D 0-0 	4-3-3 	0 	0 	0 Vote	0 Point 	Started
02/11 	A-Bursaspor 	CL 	W 0-3 	4-3-3 	0 	0 	0 Vote	0 Point 	Off 29'
30/10 	H-Tottenham 	PL 	W 2-0 	4-4-2 	1 	1 	1st	120 points 	Started
24/10 	A-Stoke City 	PL 	W 1-2 	4-4-2 	0 	0 	6th	3 points 	Started
20/10 	H-Bursaspor 	CL 	W 1-0 	4-3-3 	1 	0 	2nd	73 points 	Started
16/10 	H-West Brom 	PL 	D 2-2 	4-4-2 	1 	1 	1st	85 points 	Started
02/10 	A-Sunderland 	PL 	D 0-0 	4-3-3 	0 	0 	5th	11 points 	Started
29/09 	A-Valencia 	CL 	W 0-1 	4-5-1 	0 	0 	3rd	65 points 	Started
26/09 	A-Bolton 	PL 	D 2-2 	4-4-2 	1 	1 	1st	133 points 	Started
19/09 	H-Liverpool 	PL 	W 3-2 	4-4-2 	0 	1 	2nd	124 points 	Off 88'
11/09 	A-Everton 	PL 	D 3-3 	4-5-1 	0 	1 	2nd	66 points 	Started
28/08 	H-West Ham 	PL 	W 3-0 	4-4-2 	1 	1 	3rd	104 points 	Started
22/08 	A-Fulham 	PL 	D 2-2 	4-4-2 	0 	1 	6th	13 points 	On 67'
16/08 	H-Newcastle 	PL 	W 3-0 	4-4-2 	0 	0 	3rd	65 points 	Off 71'
08/08 	N-Chelsea 	CS 	W 1-3 	4-4-2 	0 	1 	0 Vote	0 Point 	On 45'
09/05 	H-Stoke City 	PL 	W 4-0 	4-4-2 	0 	0 	1st	89 points 	Started
02/05 	A-Sunderland 	PL 	W 0-1 	4-4-2 	1 	0 	2nd	107 points 	Off 90'
24/04 	H-Tottenham 	PL 	W 3-1 	4-3-3 	1 	1 	1st	245 points 	Started
17/04 	A-Man City 	PL 	W 0-1 	4-3-3 	0 	0 	0 Vote	0 Point 	On 59'
11/04 	A-Blackburn 	PL 	D 0-0 	4-4-2 	0 	0 	6th	7 points 	Started
07/04 	H-Bayern 	CL 	W 3-2 	4-5-1 	2 	0 	1st	139 points 	Started
03/04 	H-Chelsea 	PL 	L 1-2 	4-3-3 	0 	1 	4th	27 points 	On 72'
30/03 	A-Bayern 	CL 	L 2-1 	4-3-3 	0 	1 	2nd	44 points 	Off 82'
27/03 	A-Bolton 	PL 	W 0-4 	4-3-3 	0 	2 	2nd	192 points 	Started
21/03 	H-Liverpool 	PL 	W 2-1 	4-5-1 	0 	0 	0 Vote	0 Point 	Off 79'
14/03 	H-Fulham 	PL 	W 3-0 	4-4-2 	0 	1 	3rd	81 points 	Started
10/03 	H-Milan 	CL 	W 4-0 	4-5-1 	0 	1 	4th	24 points 	Started
06/03 	A-Wolves 	PL 	W 0-1 	4-3-3 	0 	1 	7th	3 points 	Off 74'
16/02 	A-Milan 	CL 	W 2-3 	4-5-1 	0 	0 	9th	2 points 	Off 64'
10/02 	A-Aston Villa 	PL 	D 1-1 	4-3-3 	0 	0 	0 Vote	0 Point 	Started
06/02 	H-Portsmouth 	PL 	W 5-0 	4-4-2 	0 	1 	2nd	77 points 	Started
31/01 	A-Arsenal 	PL 	W 1-3 	4-3-3 	0 	1 	2nd	330 points 	Off 89'
27/01 	H-Man City 	CC 	W 3-1 	4-3-3 	0 	0 	3rd	68 points 	Off 90'
23/01 	H-Hull City 	PL 	W 4-0 	4-4-2 	0 	2 	2nd	281 points 	Started
16/01 	H-Burnley 	PL 	W 3-0 	4-4-2 	0 	0 	3rd	52 points 	Started
08/12 	A-Wolfsburg 	CL 	W 1-3 	3-5-2 	0 	1 	0 Vote	0 Point 	Off 74'
03/11 	H-CSKA Moskva 	CL 	D 3-3 	4-4-2 	0 	0 	0 Vote	0 Point 	Off 58'
31/10 	H-Blackburn 	PL 	W 2-0 	4-4-2 	0 	0 	0 Vote	0 Point 	Off 64'
25/10 	A-Liverpool 	PL 	L 2-0 	4-4-2 	0 	0 	-	- 		On 74'
21/10 	A-CSKA Moskva 	CL 	W 0-1 	4-5-1 	0 	0 	1st	109 points 	Started
03/10 	H-Sunderland 	PL 	D 2-2 	4-4-2 	0 	0 	5th	16 points 	Started
26/09 	A-Stoke City 	PL 	W 0-2 	4-4-2 	0 	0 	0 Vote	0 Point 	Off 55'
23/09 	H-Wolves 	CC 	W 1-0 	4-4-2 	0 	0 	3rd	24 points 	Started
15/09 	A-Besiktas 	CL 	W 0-1 	4-3-3 	0 	1 	5th	13 points 	Started
12/09 	A-Tottenham 	PL 	W 1-3 	4-4-2 	0 	0 	-	- 		On 81'
29/08 	H-Arsenal 	PL 	W 2-1 	4-3-3 	0 	0 	5th	12 points 	Started
22/08 	A-Wigan A 	PL 	W 0-5 	4-4-2 	1 	1 	5th	27 points 	Started
16/08 	H-Birmingham 	PL 	W 1-0 	4-4-2 	0 	0 	0 Vote	0 Point 	Off 46'
[U]09/08 	N-Chelsea 	CS 	D 2-2 	4-4-2 	1 	0 	2nd	76 points 	Off 62'[/U]
						[B]16	35[/B]

 

[Mockney]

Last season and the one before Valencia was a far more feared player.

The one before being the one where Nani won the in house player's player of the year? That one?

 

[Platato]

I see Rob's been talking to a brick wall again.....poor fella

 

[ItsEssexRob]

Just shows how clueless some of you are then. Its not even a debate that Nani was the more dangerous and feared player at that time. He hasnt been as good since that season and Valencia definitely had the better time of it last season. Theres really no need to try and rewrite history, both players have proven themselves and had their rewards internally at the club to show it. This means a lot more than some idiots on the internet, one of which comes to a rival club's fan forum to try and discredit a certain player for some bizarre reason.

Whos that?

 

[ItsEssexRob]

Right since this isnt going anywhere and people seem to think I think Nani is poor heres my opinion on Nani from earlier here to just refresh the memories


'That being an excellent player, who can score a brilliant goal, fits right in at United and one of the best wingers in the league.'

You guys come here giving it the big 'were right youre wrong' crap and then provide about 20 pages of stats to prove it, check your own threads guys.

When Nani has a poor game 95% of you are over him like a rash, saying how hes 'not good enough' 'poor' and 'inconsistent' I call it how I see it, whether or not you want to use stats to prove Nani was better than Valencia in 2010-2011 fine, i'm just telling you how I have found it on the outside looking in, my point isn't wrong, its what I've seen and listened too.

I worked in a weatherspoon which often had huge groups of football fans coming in and talking, I am not saying they are right either, but when I say Valencia was more feared than Nani it comes down to what I learnt from talking and listening to them over the years, I felt last season Valencia was better than Nani and that this season he is below Nani.

Its like the same old people bash him and the same old people defend him blindly, as I said before no-one can seem to rate him properly, there's always someone who wants to call him world class and another who wants to call him average, why? Because they're both exaggerating. I'm not trying to discredit him, i've just never seen a player talked about on here that is both underrated and overrated to such a degree.

 

[Massive Spanner]

It's more so the absurdity of your comparisons between him and Valencia.

 

[Orton]

Right since this isnt going anywhere and people seem to think I think Nani is poor heres my opinion on Nani from earlier here to just refresh the memories


'That being an excellent player, who can score a brilliant goal, fits right in at United and one of the best wingers in the league.'

You guys come here giving it the big 'were right youre wrong' crap and then provide about 20 pages of stats to prove it, check your own threads guys.

When Nani has a poor game 95% of you are over him like a rash, saying how hes 'not good enough' 'poor' and 'inconsistent' I call it how I see it, whether or not you want to use stats to prove Nani was better than Valencia in 2010-2011 fine, i'm just telling you how I have found it on the outside looking in, my point isn't wrong, its what I've seen and listened too.

I worked in a weatherspoon which often had huge groups of football fans coming in and talking, I am not saying they are right either, but when I say Valencia was more feared than Nani it comes down to what I learnt from talking and listening to them over the years, I felt last season Valencia was better than Nani and that this season he is below Nani.

Its like the same old people bash him and the same old people defend him blindly, as I said before no-one can seem to rate him properly, there's always someone who wants to call him world class and another who wants to call him average, why? Because they're both exaggerating. I'm not trying to discredit him, i've just never seen a player talked about on here that is both underrated and overrated to such a degree.

I watched a united game in a pub once and a few football fans said Fletcher was our best player.

 

[Rowem]

Right since this isnt going anywhere and people seem to think I think Nani is poor heres my opinion on Nani from earlier here to just refresh the memories


'That being an excellent player, who can score a brilliant goal, fits right in at United and one of the best wingers in the league.'

You guys come here giving it the big 'were right youre wrong' crap and then provide about 20 pages of stats to prove it, check your own threads guys.

When Nani has a poor game 95% of you are over him like a rash, saying how hes 'not good enough' 'poor' and 'inconsistent' I call it how I see it, whether or not you want to use stats to prove Nani was better than Valencia in 2010-2011 fine, i'm just telling you how I have found it on the outside looking in, my point isn't wrong, its what I've seen and listened too.

I worked in a weatherspoon which often had huge groups of football fans coming in and talking, I am not saying they are right either, but when I say Valencia was more feared than Nani it comes down to what I learnt from talking and listening to them over the years, I felt last season Valencia was better than Nani and that this season he is below Nani.

Its like the same old people bash him and the same old people defend him blindly, as I said before no-one can seem to rate him properly, there's always someone who wants to call him world class and another who wants to call him average, why? Because they're both exaggerating. I'm not trying to discredit him, i've just never seen a player talked about on here that is both underrated and overrated to such a degree.

The general idiot talking about football doesn't like Nani because he's viewed as a player who feigns injury and is a wannabe Ronaldo. Stereotypes stick.

 

[Sassy Colin]

I was chatting to this guy wearing a United shirt in the pub once, I reckon he had quite a good idea where Manchester is.

 

[Chabon]

If there's one group of people with even worse opinions about Manchester United players than Manchester United fans, it's other football fans.

 

[Rowem]

If there's one group of people with even worse opinions about Manchester United players than Manchester United fans, it's other football fans.

So true

 

[Platato]

You're on a Man United forum Rob. One which has the tendency to go overboard at times but maintains a sense of perspective throughout. Are you expecting us to agree with you when you make such bizarre claims?

Well done on establishing how clueless some fans are. In general, people follow the media. The media has a soft spot for traditional wingers. Not so much for players like Nani. If more was made of Nani's contributions from the second half of 09-10 season to 10-11 season, I doubt those perceptions would be the same. Imo, what the media brings to light, football fans in general take notice of. On this forum, you have a group of posters who go far beyond what the media choose to portray. Some of us barely even pay attention to what the papers even say!

I see it all the time when I go to the pub. Commentator says a blatant inaccuracy about a player. Let's take Nani for example. Commentator conveniently leaves out information about Nani being injured but then says he's been out of favor. For the set of United fans let alone any set of football fans who don't really pay attention to what's going on, they go right along with it. For some of them, it just validates their opinion that much more.

 

[RedDevilCanuck]

Recent words from Nani:

"I feel I'm in good form and I've nearly arrived at my peak," he said in the Daily Star.

"I think over the next few games I can surprise a few people. I want to show the manager that he can trust me and he can believe in me in every match."
Nani

"I think over the next few games I can surprise a few people. I want to show the manager that he can trust me and he can believe in me in every match.

"My confidence is high and I think the best is still to come from me.

"This is my time - and I think I can be important for the team in these big games.

"Because I was injured for two months, it means I'm fresh now when some other players are starting to get tired.

"I want to show him my contribution can help win games, so I'll keep working hard to make sure I'm ready every time I get a chance."

 

[Massive Spanner]

Not that recent, they were just after the Reading game I think.

 

[LR7]

They're quotes from the Chelsea match programme so quite recent

 

[Cevno]

I saw quotes today which talked about the Real game too.