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Luis Nani | 2010/11 Performances
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Valencia ended up with less assists in the league than Giggs or Nani.
Consider just how many crosses he flung into the box this season. It would be surprising if he didnt make the most attempts in the league. He definitely stepped up his delivery from his sub appearance against Milan onwards, but in the first half of the season he had a lot of problems getting it past the first defender.
Consider just how many crosses he flung into the box this season. It would be surprising if he didnt make the most attempts in the league. He definitely stepped up his delivery from his sub appearance against Milan onwards, but in the first half of the season he had a lot of problems getting it past the first defender.
Debatable. Depends whether you include own-goals or not (which I always think is silly, a really good cross will pick out someone on your own team) Whichever definition of an assist you use, he got more than anyone else in all competitions.
His delivery has been excellent all season.
Nani had 6 in the league, Valencia 7 and Giggs 9.
You'll want to contact the premier league, who have 11 for Giggs, 10 for Nani and 9 for Valencia.
This has been discussed before. The PL seems to be unusual in that it gives an assist for the last attacking player to touch the ball before an OG or penalty.
With the season that's in it, OGs can beef up an assist stat considerably.
With the season that's in it, OGs can beef up an assist stat considerably.
Alright.
But its the official website of the premier league. So therefore, officially, Giggs has 11 assists in the premier league, Nani has 10 assists in the premier league and Valencia has 9 assists in the premier league.
Thats in 25 starts for Giggs, 23 starts for Nani, and 34 starts for Valencia.
The official stats whether you agree with how they come up with them or not.
If the cross is good enough to force an own goal surely it deserves to be an assist.
How do you figure?
If we use the one from Premierleague.com (Which is the one that really shows how many goals a player has created - Evra has about 4 assists from own goals - would create a false picture of his productivity this season if you don't count them) then the stats are:
Ryan Giggs 13 assists (PL: 11, CL: 1, CC: 1)
Luis Nani 13 assists (PL: 10, CL: 3)
Antonio Valencia 13 assists (PL: 9, CL: 3, CC: 1)
I can't see why you'd want to take away credit from players with strict definitions.
And that's discounting Nani's cross for Rooney's goal in the first league game of the season.
Meh. Assists are a wooly stat anyway, so you shouldn't read too much into them but I always think a cross that picks out a United player is better than one that's fired into a dangerous area on the off-chance someone will get something on it.
Not really, what happened was that most teams doubled up on him to restrict the space.
It's not true that he was 'found out', if he was so predictable surely teams would have worked out how to play against him before he joined United as he'd already been in the Premiership for a couple of seasons?
Not sure it's an unusual tactic myself. If we didn't consider it, Nani's 'OG' against Arsenal, for example, would never get a look in in the official statistics, and his brilliant play to create that goal would be forgotten about when comparing players using stats. Why shouldn't own goals be used to beef up assist stats? They are often the result of brilliant individual play, where as an 'official' assist can just as easily be complete luck.
Either way, if nothing else, it shows how pointless it is using statistics to compare football players. There is so much ambiguity, they become utterly worthless.
What he needs to learn is the right moment to cut inside the fullback. One he master that and does it consistently, having one foot will never be a an issue. Especially with the inteligence and pace he has.
good thing we renewed Nani's contract. He is going to be one of the stars of the World Cup.
Just watch how vital he will be for us next season.
Just watch how vital he will be for us next season.
I've always found that defenders seem to struggle against right-footed wingers, much more than they do against left-footers who're all too easy to read.
People are forgetting that Valencia is only 25, he can quite easily develop further. I reckon he's gonna be an absoloute monster of a player in coupla years...
Yeah, I really like Valencia. I think 'tough as old boots' is a perfect description of him, none of that diving shite and he's powerful, built like a brickhouse and fast as feck.
He's a great player, however I do like Nani, because he has a bit of unpredictablilty about him. However, I dont expect Nani to set the world alight next year, but if it is to happen, then I believe this will happen in 2 years time minimum.
He's a great player, however I do like Nani, because he has a bit of unpredictablilty about him. However, I dont expect Nani to set the world alight next year, but if it is to happen, then I believe this will happen in 2 years time minimum.
Valencia > Nani
Malouda was overall the best winger this season. Then again he is 7 years older than Nani and probably at his peak. Nani will become more consistent, at which point he should be at least as good. The world cup could give him a big lift, like with Ronaldo in '06.
Agreed.
Nani and Valencia have very different qualities but in a year or two they will hopefully become really top class players for us.
They already are top class players for us, both of them and an indispensable part of our team.
Wouldnt consider Nani the best winger in the country as of yet though.
Malouda really had a better season, but I'm certainly happy as to how much he improved and that he showed, what some of us always saw, his talent and potential and what a classy winger he can be.
I knew someone would say that.
I was tempted to use "world class" but that's an annoyingly controversial phrase. What I mean is that they could become as good a pair of wingers we've had since Giggs and Beckham in their prime. Quite possibly better.
I was tempted to use "world class" but that's an annoyingly controversial phrase. What I mean is that they could become as good a pair of wingers we've had since Giggs and Beckham in their prime. Quite possibly better.
The rhythm is always at risk given the stick that wingers (especially fast, tricky ones) get each week. Case in point being Valencia's current injury problem ... and a tougher more robust winger than Valencia is hard to find!
When Nani got red carded we missed "the balance" of two gifted wingers and really struggled without the width he provided. Giggs was our best replacement option because the "kids" namely Obertan is still well short of the calibre we need to win week in and week out.
I still think Bellamy would be a perfect option to allow us the flexibility to interchange as well as a slightly different style needed to break down increasingly tough opponents. That plus I don't think he'd be demanding to start every feckin game. The rhythm could in fact get better?
This time last season I thought he was an overflashy, arrogant show pony destined for failure. His talent was always evident but his decision making was consistently poor. And after 2 and a half seasons, it had shown no sign of improving.
But on his return from injury in January, he impressed in a couple of home games. An then came the Arsenal game. From then on he never really looked back. He clearly took time to refine his abilities, curb his showboating and improve his deision making, and it clearly worked. I was always reluctant to say the penny had dropped, as it would be just like Nani to show glimpses and then go back to his infuriating worst.
But this season he continued where he left off, and has shown his ability to overcome dissappointment, with his penalty miss at Fulham followed by his confident performance and great goal against West Ham. He is two footed, has great pace, good trickery, a powerful long range shot, a good cross and the ability to play on either wing. So how does he compare to Ribery, Malouda, Robben and the rest of Europe's wing elite? Ronaldo and Messi are obviously in a different class but they are also closer to forwards than wingers.
But on his return from injury in January, he impressed in a couple of home games. An then came the Arsenal game. From then on he never really looked back. He clearly took time to refine his abilities, curb his showboating and improve his deision making, and it clearly worked. I was always reluctant to say the penny had dropped, as it would be just like Nani to show glimpses and then go back to his infuriating worst.
But this season he continued where he left off, and has shown his ability to overcome dissappointment, with his penalty miss at Fulham followed by his confident performance and great goal against West Ham. He is two footed, has great pace, good trickery, a powerful long range shot, a good cross and the ability to play on either wing. So how does he compare to Ribery, Malouda, Robben and the rest of Europe's wing elite? Ronaldo and Messi are obviously in a different class but they are also closer to forwards than wingers.
He's getting there. Needs to be more consistent though. If he can keep up his form from the first half of 2010 and build from there, then he'll be right up there at the end of the season.
In comparison to those three, he's 7 years younger than Malouda (I think people forget this), 4 years younger than Ribery and 3 younger than Robeen. I'd say he's doing pretty damn good so far, like i've said before I dont think he will establish himself as 'The Best Winger in The World' or something this year, he needs about 2 more years at least. Its still debatable as to whether he's even the best winger in the team!
I think he's one of the best wingers in history.
I was going to bump this thread myself. I couldn't be more proud of Nani right now, he really has become the game-decider that most of us had stopped believing he could ever be. I don't think his form will falter, i think it was earlier in this thread that i said his best improvement has been his maturity; we saw him evolve last season from a tallented but inconsistent youngster into a real Premier League player. I'm not surprised that he has started this season as he finished the last, Nani's no boy anymore, he's learnt his football well and defenders had better beware.
well said, i reckon there's more to come from him. he still has room for improvement, still not up there with the likes of Malouda (he's been in the form of his life) and Robben, but he's getting there! always had the talent to become a brilliant winger.
One advantage he has over Robben and Malouda is that he's very 2 footed too. Great player to have. He'll never reach the heights of Ronaldo but he's going to be a fantastic player for us. Thank god we din't sell him last Jan!
Great post,the boy has come on so much in a year.I hope all the doubters get behind him now as we have potentialy one of the best talents in the world playing for us in Nani
Consistency is still his problem. When he's playing well, his performances are getting better. The poor games/periods in games are still there but not as frequent.
I always forget Maloudas 30. Blady hell, Chelsea have got an old squad.
He's playing great stuff though.
Yes he is. Phenomenal player. However can't see him carrying on as long as Giggs has for example.
Well exactly. You get the feeling that there's just so much more to come from Nani; i think he's bloody good now - now that he's come of age - but looking to the future and i can see nothing standing in his way to becoming a true footballing great. I think we laugh when talking about players as 'the next Ronaldo', but we should remember that it was United who crafted Ronaldo into the player he is today; when given the raw tallent to work with we can craft such a player again; and in Nani we're right now seeing progression similar to that which turned a tallented but inconsistent Ronaldo into the best player in the world. This season we're seeing a Nani in the best physical condition of his life and with a far more mature footballing head than he showed twelve months ago; he's always had the tallent, only now he seems to have the body and the mind to make it all click - exactly the kind of advances that a few years previous put Ronaldo on the map and into the United history books.
Nah, he's not.
He's improving, that much is obvious, but he's still incredibly patchy at times, which is frustrating given his obvious talent. As was pointed out in the commentary yesterday, you don't know what you're going to get from him. He's closer than ever to being a massive player for us, but he needs to become far more consistent before he's considered the best.
He's still a work in progress, albeit one that gives us far more hope than this time last season.
He's improving, that much is obvious, but he's still incredibly patchy at times, which is frustrating given his obvious talent. As was pointed out in the commentary yesterday, you don't know what you're going to get from him. He's closer than ever to being a massive player for us, but he needs to become far more consistent before he's considered the best.
He's still a work in progress, albeit one that gives us far more hope than this time last season.
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