No. But few people do.
With Nani most people do.
Its fair to say it if you'd say it no matter who the player was but not if he's being singled out. As long as you maintain the same expectation for each player.
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No. But few people do.
With Nani most people do.
Its fair to say it if you'd say it no matter who the player was but not if he's being singled out. As long as you maintain the same expectation for each player.
Should you maintain the same expectation for every player though?
I don't. I don't expect the likes of O'Shea to produce what the likes of Nani can. I think Nani can be one of the best around, and I subsequently expect more as a result. Likewise, I expect for from the likes of Rooney and Scholes.
Exactly.
Every player can improve their games in certain ways. By pointing out a particular way that a player could improve his game, that does not make you a hater.
Who are all these people that only focused on the negatives?
I'm not the type to point and laugh at posters (even if I do it sometimes) but there are members who chose to criticize Nani when he was by far United's best player
Am I included in your bunch?
Do you feel guilty 
? Seriously though, I don't have names and it's not a big deal.I honestly (maybe naively) thought that all Nani was gonna get was praise.
? Seriously though, I don't have names and it's not a big deal.I honestly (maybe naively) thought that all Nani was gonna get was praise.Do you feel guilty
No, I don't feel guilty. I have never ever praised a player as much as I have in this thread. I would have never said a year ago that I thought Nani could become one of the best around!
We're talking about 3 wingers. For each winger you should have the same expectations.
Giggs, Valencia and Nani? I do. There is not that much of a quality difference really. All can be great at times. All can be equally productive and frustrating!
Erm, the only other thing he mentioned was decision-making. 'Etc.' is pretty difficult to respond to. Anyway, as Amol said nothing wrong with responding to part of a post. Pogue just being a twerp again methinks.
Since Sharky7 addressed crossing, let me talk about the other bit. In terms of inconsistency in decision-making, players of superior skill should be allowed that. For e.g. the left foot shot across the face of goal when he cut in. Narrowly wide of the far post. A very, very diffciult chance but Nani has that sort of skill - he's shown that an incredible number of times. If that had come off, he would have been hailed as the matchwinner.
How about Ronaldo's decision-making in comparison? Not too dissimilar IMO. Of course Nani is still on his way to reach that sort of level, but as Lester said it could well be over the nexr gew months.
Creative wingers are by trade, inconsistent even within 15 minute periods of a game. Nani is being held to superhuman standards that no player who ever lived could possibly match.
Erm, the only other thing he mentioned was decision-making. 'Etc.' is pretty difficult to respond to. Anyway, as Amol said nothing wrong with responding to part of a post. Pogue just being a twerp again methinks.
Since Sharky7 addressed crossing, let me talk about the other bit. In terms of inconsistency in decision-making, players of superior skill should be allowed that. For e.g. the left foot shot across the face of goal when he cut in. Narrowly wide of the far post. A very, very diffciult chance but Nani has that sort of skill - he's shown that an incredible number of times. If that had come off, he would have been hailed as the matchwinner.
How about Ronaldo's decision-making in comparison? Not too dissimilar IMO. Of course Nani is still on his way to reach that sort of level, but as Lester said it could well be over the nexr gew months.
Creative wingers are by trade, inconsistent even within 15 minute periods of a game. Nani is being held to superhuman standards that no player who ever lived could possibly match.
I think the point is that there is still scope for a lot of improvement in his game, and when someone produces an outrageous bit of skill, then fails to make an accurate 5 yard pass it can frustrate people.
Personally I am a fan, but I can understand why he frustrates people and was only trying to explain it.
Monsieur Goggs comes to mind but you never hear that sort of frustration expressed about him.
Understand where you're coming from and we would all love to see him step up to that next level yet, but give him time, he might even be there in a few months time. As of now, he is our biggest creator, 19 assists, 7 goals in his last 25 games, over a goal a game. There are few players around who match that sort of output. Off the top of my head, I can only think of Messi, Ronaldo and Drogba who are that productive. Perhaps Fabregas. I think it's time to say 'Let Nani Be Nani.'
Giggs was being written off on here a few years back!
Well except for Nani's form right now you mean? Because he's more productive.
Although Giggs had an important productive spell at the beginning of last season when Nani and Valencia werent. But as far as I can recall he wasnt producing as Nani is right now.
Nani is a better and more talented player than Valencia. Plus, he's not predictable.
I expect all to be more consistent with their crosses. Valencia is probably the most consistent, albeit the least flashy.
To be fair, I just went and did exactly what Pogue was talking about before - not reading before arguing - so I might've been a bit off on that but from a quick glimpse at the first couple of posts in the last thread it looked like there was some criticism so I just ignored the rest assuming it was a trend, and then read the page here...so I'll look over it.
Don't quite understand why people feel the need to talk about areas where Nani could and should improve in when he's been incredibly productive regardless of any potential improvement. If he played like this for the rest of his career he'd be a star, so I don't quite get the need to point out flaws in spite of this.
I think being in such strong form will always guarantee a lot of leeway in the next few games with me - applies to Berbatov or Nani right now, I wouldn't be complaining at all - and I've criticised Nani a fair bit in the past but if you're doing so much in the final third the mistakes in the build-up are quickly forgiven from me. And vice-versa.
You can say that about a lot of players though, no? You look at Robben and even in his outstanding form last year he could go 10 minutes without even touching the ball, and then when he does he dribbles it straight into the opposition. Or Drogba - hattrick against West Brom but passed the ball 6 or 7 times, despite dominating possession. Ronaldo? One of the best players in the world unquestionably but constantly frustrating with his use of the ball, still. Might just always be a part of his game.
I think it's well established Nani's a better player on the right wing, right now I don't think it's massively better though. It's obviously easier for him - he's still learning the game and his own abilities so he prefers to have less options, less chances to make a mistake and focus on doing the dangerous things effectively. And he obviously enjoys playing higher up the pitch which is something we always see with our right winger, almost regardless of the personnel. I just don't think you could've justified dropping Valencia just like that in spite of the improvement in Nani's game there because it weakened the team, or at least limited options.
Now he's got his chance he could easily go on and make that position his own, mold his talents to fit the position and stay there consistently. I hope not, for Valencia and Nani's sake. That versatility of play and talents is what makes Nani so promising, I don't know if him focussing on a more limited role long-term would really benefit him and I genuinely think he has the potential to be better from the left. Sir Alex often stresses versatility and adaptability so I don't think we will see that happen, and I do think he'll rotate from either wing dependent on the position. It could be detrimental, or it could just be a long development to make him brilliant.
Madrid will be coming for him soon....IMO.
If only Ronaldo was here. With Nani & him on either flanks and often swapping positions and confusing the hell out of opposition...
If only Ronaldo was here. With Nani & him on either flanks and often swapping positions and confusing the hell out of opposition...
Ooh! Orgasmic stuff, that.
Although, you know what, if Ronaldo hadn't moved on, Nani wouldn't have developed in the manner he has. In the long run, he will very likely become nearly as good as Ronaldo himself and will remain far more of a team player to boot. Also, I don't think he has continental ambitions, and unlike Ronaldo he is not a glamour boy, so he might just stay at OT his whole career, especially if he gets real loving from the fans and feels he's the main man in the side. So over the long-term, I think we may just have had the very best of that particular deal.
@ Jinn: Oh, and Perez, you can feck yourself right off
Pogue does an eerily good imitation of Wenger when it comes to this, but that fact has never really been in contention. Not an accident he plays on the right for Portugal too. Maybe not massively better, but much better for sure. He spends a lot more time in the box getting at the end of things as opposed to when he's on the right. Valencia's injury has one big silver lining, with Nani virtually having the spot for the rest of the season.
Of course, it would be an incredible asset if he could be just as effective on the left, but it may well be the fact of having the right spot sewn up till virtually season-end that makes him ready to play on the left from season next.
This kid is fast becoming the real deal. Just improve his decision-making and he is there.
Put in a massive shift tonight
Thought he was pretty bad tonight, but our most dangerous attacks came from him - not to mention the goal where he carried the ball a long way. Even if his attacking was off i thought he really put a shift in the defensive third, tracked his men and helped young Rafael.
People may come on here and bitch about his consistancy but i think the way we played today highlighted his mistakes because we had so few attacks. Still he had a hand in the goal and thats all you really want from your wingers
People may come on here and bitch about his consistancy but i think the way we played today highlighted his mistakes because we had so few attacks. Still he had a hand in the goal and thats all you really want from your wingers
their LB did very well against him tonight but Nani persisted and was still our dangerman - but his tracking back was outstanding. Amazing stamina
Agree, he linked up very very well with Rafael which was a pleasure to see because it's not something you usually attribute to Nani's game. He's really growing as a player and it's great to witness.
His tracking back has been very good all this season, but that was probably the best example of it.
He seems to be heavily involved in virtually every goal we've scored this season
Yep. A hard match for him tonight, doing a lot of defensive covering, but he kept his head up trying to create something in a rather stale attack. And it happened.
Its true. But the truth is Giggs was doing a similar thing at the beginning of last season when neither Valencia nor Nani were producing.
At least it shows that we have a player properly taking over from Giggs
He put in one brilliant block when their forward got clear on the left. Took the sting out of it and then Rio cleared.
I thought he had a decent game. A solid 7 out of 10. Some flaky moments but a constant threat and did a lot of good defensive work.
brilliant bit of tracking back was that
Seems the lime-light of the big stage brings out the best of him...
Not only did he play a (big) part in our goal, but right before that he basically created the chance for Chicho on his own. Other than that, as people have said, I thought it was a decent effort for him, defensive work being the main highlight.
Other than that, it's almost surrealistic to watch us play these days; A bit exaggerated, but Nani seems to have a hand in pretty much everything we create. Even on a relatively quiet day for him like today, the same goes. When he finally manages to leave his fullback behind, we finally create a chance.
Other than that, it's almost surrealistic to watch us play these days; A bit exaggerated, but Nani seems to have a hand in pretty much everything we create. Even on a relatively quiet day for him like today, the same goes. When he finally manages to leave his fullback behind, we finally create a chance.
Thats not the point with Valencia. He's a good player and he usually delivers. Thats all you can ask for. Its nice to know that if Nani's not on form, we have a winger thats can be at times just as productive.
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